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More on the NYC Critical Mass case.
Clearly the NY cops were out to squash CM completely, until 2007 and
the filing of the civil rights lawsuit. So much for civil rights eh? There was a similar, though not as bad, crackdown on London CM from 2005 which stopped in 2008 when London CM won its case in appeal to the Law Lords.. "...The 83 cyclists were among dozens arrested for mostly minor infractions during the "Critical Mass" rides between 2004 and 2006. The arrests largely stopped in 2007, the year a group of riders filed a civil rights lawsuit, although police continue to monitor cyclists and write tickets for traffic infractions..." "...The settlement, signed Oct. 14 but announced Tuesday, calls for $965,000 in payments ranging from $500 to $35,000 per rider. Much of that money will cover legal fees. New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory. Barbara Ross, one of the core participants in the rides, said that even though the arrests have stopped, the police crackdown drove participation down from as many as 1,000 to an average of 30. "The strategy is the same," she said. "They have just as many scooters and police cars following us as they ever did. They are still using intimidation, which is working, because the riders who try us out don't come back the next time..." http://topnews360.tmcnet.com/topics/...s-cyclists.htm -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. |
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On 23/10/2010 06:52, Doug wrote:
Clearly the NY cops were out to squash CM completely, until 2007 and the filing of the civil rights lawsuit. So much for civil rights eh? There was a similar, though not as bad, crackdown on London CM from 2005 which stopped in 2008 when London CM won its case in appeal to the Law Lords.. "...The 83 cyclists were among dozens arrested for mostly minor infractions during the "Critical Mass" rides between 2004 and 2006. The arrests largely stopped in 2007, the year a group of riders filed a civil rights lawsuit, although police continue to monitor cyclists and write tickets for traffic infractions..." "...The settlement, signed Oct. 14 but announced Tuesday, calls for $965,000 in payments ranging from $500 to $35,000 per rider. Much of that money will cover legal fees. New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory. Barbara Ross, one of the core participants in the rides, said that even though the arrests have stopped, the police crackdown drove participation down from as many as 1,000 to an average of 30. "The strategy is the same," she said. "They have just as many scooters and police cars following us as they ever did. They are still using intimidation, which is working, because the riders who try us out don't come back the next time..." http://topnews360.tmcnet.com/topics/...s-cyclists.htm -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. So only a 'partial victory' for some cyclists then not 'a victory for all cyclists'. I will tell the cyclists (who are not cyclists) next time I see them at the pub, I have no doubt how impressed they will be. -- Tony Dragon |
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On 23 Oct, 07:25, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23/10/2010 06:52, Doug wrote: Clearly the NY cops were out to squash CM completely, until 2007 and the filing of the civil rights lawsuit. So much for civil rights eh? There was a similar, though not as bad, crackdown on London CM from 2005 which stopped in 2008 when London CM won its case in appeal to the Law Lords.. "...The 83 cyclists were among dozens arrested for mostly minor infractions during the "Critical Mass" rides between 2004 and 2006. The arrests largely stopped in 2007, the year a group of riders filed a civil rights lawsuit, although police continue to monitor cyclists and write tickets for traffic infractions..." "...The settlement, signed Oct. 14 but announced Tuesday, calls for $965,000 in payments ranging from $500 to $35,000 per rider. Much of that money will cover legal fees. New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory. Barbara Ross, one of the core participants in the rides, said that even though the arrests have stopped, the police crackdown drove participation down from as many as 1,000 to an average of 30. "The strategy is the same," she said. "They have just as many scooters and police cars following us as they ever did. They are still using intimidation, which is working, because the riders who try us out don't come back the next time..." http://topnews360.tmcnet.com/topics/...ticles/2010/10... So only a 'partial victory' for some cyclists then not 'a victory for all cyclists'. I will tell the cyclists (who are not cyclists) next time I see them at the pub, I have no doubt how impressed they will be. You mean your motorist chums? Hardly surprising given their typical attitude towards cyclists. BTW, correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be supporting the suppression of civil rights by police. Is that so? -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. |
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On 23/10/2010 07:41, Doug wrote:
On 23 Oct, 07:25, Tony wrote: On 23/10/2010 06:52, Doug wrote: Clearly the NY cops were out to squash CM completely, until 2007 and the filing of the civil rights lawsuit. So much for civil rights eh? There was a similar, though not as bad, crackdown on London CM from 2005 which stopped in 2008 when London CM won its case in appeal to the Law Lords.. "...The 83 cyclists were among dozens arrested for mostly minor infractions during the "Critical Mass" rides between 2004 and 2006. The arrests largely stopped in 2007, the year a group of riders filed a civil rights lawsuit, although police continue to monitor cyclists and write tickets for traffic infractions..." "...The settlement, signed Oct. 14 but announced Tuesday, calls for $965,000 in payments ranging from $500 to $35,000 per rider. Much of that money will cover legal fees. New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory. Barbara Ross, one of the core participants in the rides, said that even though the arrests have stopped, the police crackdown drove participation down from as many as 1,000 to an average of 30. "The strategy is the same," she said. "They have just as many scooters and police cars following us as they ever did. They are still using intimidation, which is working, because the riders who try us out don't come back the next time..." http://topnews360.tmcnet.com/topics/...ticles/2010/10... So only a 'partial victory' for some cyclists then not 'a victory for all cyclists'. I will tell the cyclists (who are not cyclists) next time I see them at the pub, I have no doubt how impressed they will be. You mean your motorist chums? Hardly surprising given their typical attitude towards cyclists. Are you pretending to be hard of reading, THEY CYCLE, THEY ARE CYCLISTS, at least one of them doesn't own a car. BTW, correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be supporting the suppression of civil rights by police. Is that so? -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. As I did not post any such thing, and you as usual are trying to twist peoples posts to try to prove your own point of view. You are corrected. -- Tony Dragon |
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On 23 Oct, 07:47, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23/10/2010 07:41, Doug wrote: On 23 Oct, 07:25, Tony *wrote: On 23/10/2010 06:52, Doug wrote: Clearly the NY cops were out to squash CM completely, until 2007 and the filing of the civil rights lawsuit. So much for civil rights eh? There was a similar, though not as bad, crackdown on London CM from 2005 which stopped in 2008 when London CM won its case in appeal to the Law Lords.. "...The 83 cyclists were among dozens arrested for mostly minor infractions during the "Critical Mass" rides between 2004 and 2006. The arrests largely stopped in 2007, the year a group of riders filed a civil rights lawsuit, although police continue to monitor cyclists and write tickets for traffic infractions..." "...The settlement, signed Oct. 14 but announced Tuesday, calls for $965,000 in payments ranging from $500 to $35,000 per rider. Much of that money will cover legal fees. New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory. Barbara Ross, one of the core participants in the rides, said that even though the arrests have stopped, the police crackdown drove participation down from as many as 1,000 to an average of 30. "The strategy is the same," she said. "They have just as many scooters and police cars following us as they ever did. They are still using intimidation, which is working, because the riders who try us out don't come back the next time..." http://topnews360.tmcnet.com/topics/...ticles/2010/10.... So only a 'partial victory' for some cyclists then not 'a victory for all cyclists'. I will tell the cyclists (who are not cyclists) next time I see them at the pub, I have no doubt how impressed they will be. You mean your motorist chums? Hardly surprising given their typical attitude towards cyclists. Are you pretending to be hard of reading, * THEY CYCLE, THEY ARE CYCLISTS, * at least one of them doesn't own a car. Who is you you have claimed? It is often the case that motorists who occasionally cycle tend to be prejudiced against cyclists more than their fellow motorists. BTW, correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be supporting the suppression of civil rights by police. Is that so? As I did not post any such thing, and you as usual are trying to twist peoples posts to try to prove your own point of view. You are corrected. Oh I am very pleased that you agree that the cyclists rightfully won their case against NYPD/NYC, who were trying to suppress their civil rights, but consequently I am wondering what point you are still struggling to make here. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. |
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It is often the case that motorists who occasionally cycle tend to be prejudiced against cyclists more than their fellow motorists. do you have any basis for that claim? If it is true, then why do you think it occurs? |
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On 23/10/2010 07:56, Doug wrote:
On 23 Oct, 07:47, Tony wrote: On 23/10/2010 07:41, Doug wrote: On 23 Oct, 07:25, Tony wrote: On 23/10/2010 06:52, Doug wrote: Clearly the NY cops were out to squash CM completely, until 2007 and the filing of the civil rights lawsuit. So much for civil rights eh? There was a similar, though not as bad, crackdown on London CM from 2005 which stopped in 2008 when London CM won its case in appeal to the Law Lords.. "...The 83 cyclists were among dozens arrested for mostly minor infractions during the "Critical Mass" rides between 2004 and 2006. The arrests largely stopped in 2007, the year a group of riders filed a civil rights lawsuit, although police continue to monitor cyclists and write tickets for traffic infractions..." "...The settlement, signed Oct. 14 but announced Tuesday, calls for $965,000 in payments ranging from $500 to $35,000 per rider. Much of that money will cover legal fees. New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory. Barbara Ross, one of the core participants in the rides, said that even though the arrests have stopped, the police crackdown drove participation down from as many as 1,000 to an average of 30. "The strategy is the same," she said. "They have just as many scooters and police cars following us as they ever did. They are still using intimidation, which is working, because the riders who try us out don't come back the next time..." http://topnews360.tmcnet.com/topics/...ticles/2010/10... So only a 'partial victory' for some cyclists then not 'a victory for all cyclists'. I will tell the cyclists (who are not cyclists) next time I see them at the pub, I have no doubt how impressed they will be. You mean your motorist chums? Hardly surprising given their typical attitude towards cyclists. Are you pretending to be hard of reading, THEY CYCLE, THEY ARE CYCLISTS, at least one of them doesn't own a car. Who is you you have claimed? Translation please. It is often the case that motorists who occasionally cycle tend to be prejudiced against cyclists more than their fellow motorists. Repeat. THEY CYCLE, THEY ARE CYCLISTS, at least one of them doesn't own a car BTW, correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be supporting the suppression of civil rights by police. Is that so? As I did not post any such thing, and you as usual are trying to twist peoples posts to try to prove your own point of view. You are corrected. Oh I am very pleased that you agree that the cyclists rightfully won their case against NYPD/NYC, Where did I agree that. who were trying to suppress their civil rights, but consequently I am wondering what point you are still struggling to make here. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. No struggle at all, but to help you You posted 'A victory for all cyclists' you do remember posting that don't you? From youre post'New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory' As New York cyclists are not 'all cyclists' they must be 'some' cyclists. I then posted "So only a 'partial victory' for some cyclists then not 'a victory for all cyclists'" Hope that help clear up your confusion. You may continue your wriggle. -- Tony Dragon |
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On 23 Oct, 08:29, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Doug wrote: *It is often the case that motorists who occasionally cycle tend to be prejudiced against cyclists more than their fellow motorists. do you have any basis for that claim? *If it is true, then why do you think it occurs? Because we live in a car-centric society where motorists are addicted to their car use. -- . World Carfree Network. http://www.worldcarfree.net/ Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K. |
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Doug wrote:
On 23 Oct, 08:29, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: It is often the case that motorists who occasionally cycle tend to be prejudiced against cyclists more than their fellow motorists. do you have any basis for that claim? If it is true, then why do you think it occurs? Because we live in a car-centric society where motorists are addicted to their car use. but why wold people that use cycles AND cars have a dislike of cyclists? Could there be a rational explanation? such as the motorists sense of fair play when he sees untrained, uninsured cyclists breaking the law willy nilly with general impugnity because they are untraceable. |
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On 23 Oct, 08:30, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23/10/2010 07:56, Doug wrote: On 23 Oct, 07:47, Tony *wrote: On 23/10/2010 07:41, Doug wrote: On 23 Oct, 07:25, Tony * *wrote: On 23/10/2010 06:52, Doug wrote: Clearly the NY cops were out to squash CM completely, until 2007 and the filing of the civil rights lawsuit. So much for civil rights eh? There was a similar, though not as bad, crackdown on London CM from 2005 which stopped in 2008 when London CM won its case in appeal to the Law Lords.. "...The 83 cyclists were among dozens arrested for mostly minor infractions during the "Critical Mass" rides between 2004 and 2006. The arrests largely stopped in 2007, the year a group of riders filed a civil rights lawsuit, although police continue to monitor cyclists and write tickets for traffic infractions..." "...The settlement, signed Oct. 14 but announced Tuesday, calls for $965,000 in payments ranging from $500 to $35,000 per rider. Much of that money will cover legal fees. New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory. Barbara Ross, one of the core participants in the rides, said that even though the arrests have stopped, the police crackdown drove participation down from as many as 1,000 to an average of 30. "The strategy is the same," she said. "They have just as many scooters and police cars following us as they ever did. They are still using intimidation, which is working, because the riders who try us out don't come back the next time..." http://topnews360.tmcnet.com/topics/...ticles/2010/10... So only a 'partial victory' for some cyclists then not 'a victory for all cyclists'. I will tell the cyclists (who are not cyclists) next time I see them at the pub, I have no doubt how impressed they will be. You mean your motorist chums? Hardly surprising given their typical attitude towards cyclists. Are you pretending to be hard of reading, * *THEY CYCLE, THEY ARE CYCLISTS, * *at least one of them doesn't own a car. Who is you you have claimed? Translation please. It is often the case that motorists who occasionally cycle tend to be prejudiced against cyclists more than their fellow motorists. Repeat. THEY CYCLE, THEY ARE CYCLISTS, at least one of them doesn't own a car BTW, correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be supporting the suppression of civil rights by police. Is that so? As I did not post any such thing, and you as usual are trying to twist peoples posts to try to prove your own point of view. You are corrected. Oh I am very pleased that you agree that the cyclists rightfully won their case against NYPD/NYC, Where did I agree that. Perhaps you just ignored it and decided to nitpick over something much less important instead? who were trying to suppress their civil rights, but consequently I am wondering what point you are still struggling to make here. No struggle at all, but to help you You posted 'A victory for all cyclists' you do remember posting that don't you? *From youre post'New York cyclists said they could claim only a partial victory' As New York cyclists are not 'all cyclists' they must be 'some' cyclists. I then posted "So only a 'partial victory' for some cyclists then not 'a victory for all cyclists'" Hope that help clear up your confusion. You may continue your wriggle. No it doesn't clear up your confusion because this is about police abuse of cyclists' civil rights, not about whether or not somebody made an exaggerated claim. Headlines are just attention grabbing headlines whether true or not. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. |
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