Road Discs

On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 6:26:20 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

Fixies were hugely popular among the Hipster set but have waned over
the past few years -- along with the Hipster set. I'm too old to
recognize the next trend. I'll have to button-hole some young person
and find out.

Here in Minnesota trends arrive behind the times and leave behind the
times. It's the flyover syndrome. So we still have hipsters. Tight
pants, goatees, man buns, fedoras. On fixies. yearrgghhh.

Witnessing the hipsters in Salt Lake City is like going to a high school play about Portland. It's quaint. Hipster brewpubs with 4% ABV IPA. In Portland, we brush our teeth with 4% beer. Its kind of like the Japanese doing Elvis impressions. Riding up the canyons, however, my sea level Portland authentic hipster cred doesn't earn me much respect. Wait for me . . . I'm authentic Portland! And old!

-- Jay Beattie.

On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 6:36:52 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote:
Tim McNamara wrote:
:On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
:wrote:
:
: Fixies were hugely popular among the Hipster set but have waned over
: the past few years -- along with the Hipster set. I'm too old to
: recognize the next trend. I'll have to button-hole some young person
: and find out.

:Here in Minnesota trends arrive behind the times and leave behind the
:times. It's the flyover syndrome. So we still have hipsters. Tight
ants, goatees, man buns, fedoras. On fixies. yearrgghhh.

We still have hipsters, but many fewer of them, and many fewer fixies.
Still common among the high school set, though. I'm not sure what's
replacing the hipsters, I'm too old, and live in a way too uncool
neighborhood.

David - were you ever cool? I most assuredly never qualified for that label.

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 01:36:50 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
wrote:
Tim McNamara wrote:
:On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
:wrote:
:
: Fixies were hugely popular among the Hipster set but have waned over
: the past few years -- along with the Hipster set. I'm too old to
: recognize the next trend. I'll have to button-hole some young person
: and find out.

:Here in Minnesota trends arrive behind the times and leave behind the
:times. It's the flyover syndrome. So we still have hipsters. Tight
ants, goatees, man buns, fedoras. On fixies. yearrgghhh.

We still have hipsters, but many fewer of them, and many fewer fixies.
Still common among the high school set, though. I'm not sure what's
replacing the hipsters, I'm too old, and live in a way too uncool
neighborhood.

I realize that in the past few years I have just left the young to get
on with it, and have less and less interest in what they do. At 58, I
don't need the validation of being hip any more (which is good, because
frankly I was never hip when I was young so it's not much different
being middle aged- except now I don't particularly care. It's freeing).

I mainly just notice the hipsters on their bikes.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 19:10:27 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

Witnessing the hipsters in Salt Lake City is like going to a high
school play about Portland.

Jeebus Effin' Criminy, that's the funniest thing I've read in a month.
Yeah, that applies here. Stopped at a coffee shop with a couple bike
buddies today and it was like wandering into an episode of Portlandia.

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 19:10:27 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

Witnessing the hipsters in Salt Lake City is like going to a high
school play about Portland.

Jeebus Effin' Criminy, that's the funniest thing I've read in a month.
Yeah, that applies here. Stopped at a coffee shop with a couple bike
buddies today and it was like wandering into an episode of Portlandia.

My experiences in Oregon is that those people make California look like Arizona. But the are conservatives compared to Washington.

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:39:24 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

I realize that in the past few years I have just left the young to get
on with it, and have less and less interest in what they do. At 58, I
don't need the validation of being hip any more (which is good, because
frankly I was never hip when I was young so it's not much different
being middle aged- except now I don't particularly care. It's freeing).

I mainly just notice the hipsters on their bikes.

And I've been reading this thread wondering "what in deleted is a
hipster?", then forgetting the question entirely when I start the next
thread.

I did pay attention to the hippies. I even made a dashiki for one of
them. I suspect that the pattern I made is still at the bottom of my
pattern trunk.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 11:10:05 AM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:39:24 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

I realize that in the past few years I have just left the young to get
on with it, and have less and less interest in what they do. At 58, I
don't need the validation of being hip any more (which is good, because
frankly I was never hip when I was young so it's not much different
being middle aged- except now I don't particularly care. It's freeing).

I mainly just notice the hipsters on their bikes.

And I've been reading this thread wondering "what in deleted is a
hipster?", then forgetting the question entirely when I start the next
thread.

I did pay attention to the hippies. I even made a dashiki for one of
them. I suspect that the pattern I made is still at the bottom of my
pattern trunk.

Audubon's guide to hipsters: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/96...a47f69a240.jpg
http://www.portlandhipster.com/wp-co...he_hipster.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=V3nMnr8ZirI

Current urban bicyclist stereotypes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgCqz3l33kU

-- Jay Beattie
-- Jay Beattie.

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 11:10:05 AM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:39:24 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

I realize that in the past few years I have just left the young to get
on with it, and have less and less interest in what they do. At 58, I
don't need the validation of being hip any more (which is good, because
frankly I was never hip when I was young so it's not much different
being middle aged- except now I don't particularly care. It's freeing).

I mainly just notice the hipsters on their bikes.

And I've been reading this thread wondering "what in deleted is a
hipster?", then forgetting the question entirely when I start the next
thread.

I did pay attention to the hippies. I even made a dashiki for one of
them. I suspect that the pattern I made is still at the bottom of my
pattern trunk.

And you're still a Joy to read.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 5:52:55 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:09:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/26/2017 4:38 AM, James wrote:
On 26/09/17 13:06, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/25/2017 6:00 PM, jbeattie wrote:
Â*People are willing to accept the weight and aerodynamic penalty with
discs, apparently on the belief that ordinary rim brakes are
inadequate or because they want to use CF wheels. Who knows.

Many people are willing to accept anything that's in fashion in their
own little world. Fashion is amazingly powerful, and doesn't need to
make any particular sense.

At least we can claim that disc brakes are marginally more useful than
tattoos.


If a person wants to use wheels with CFRP rims, a bike with disc brakes
makes sense.

CFRP rims with rim brakes usually work ok in dry conditions provided the
correct brake blocks are used.Â* Some CFRP rims can be damaged if the
wrong pads are used, and some have been damaged even with the "correct"
pads.

But in wet conditions, the braking performance is generally very much
worse.

Disc brakes solve those problems, and allow rim manufacturers to save
more grams because there's no need for a braking surface.

I'm not saying there are never benefits to disc brakes, and I don't
think anyone else is saying that.

I would never tell Jay he shouldn't use discs; his commuting regimen in
hilly, rainy Portland is perfect for them.

So yes, discs have some advantages. They also have some disadvantages,
and those disadvantages become known only through discussions something
like this one. Advertisers are certainly not going to spend much time
listing the disadvantages.

And the typical consumer isn't going to think about these things at all,
beyond "Oooh, disc brakes. They use them on motorcycles, so that's what
I need! I'll never buy a bike without them things!"

We're supposed to be better than that. We should consider both
advantages and disadvantages. It happens to be my judgment that for
almost all road cyclists, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
Almost everyone would be better off with more normal brakes.

I find the argument somewhat humorous as even today trucks hauling 50
ton, or more, loads are still using drum brakes, not disc brakes, and
when I worked at the copper mine in Irian Jaya, which was a 30 mile

Was that the mine that ruined the place for the natives?

On 10/6/2017 6:26 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

Fixies were hugely popular among the Hipster set but have waned over
the past few years -- along with the Hipster set. I'm too old to
recognize the next trend. I'll have to button-hole some young person
and find out.

Here in Minnesota trends arrive behind the times and leave behind the
times. It's the flyover syndrome. So we still have hipsters. Tight
pants, goatees, man buns, fedoras. On fixies. yearrgghhh.

We've moved on to "Millenials."

When I ran for City Council, one of the eight candidates was a
"Millenial." A 20 year old college student living at home. Every time he
was asked a question in a forum, he began the answer with "well,
speaking as millenial...," or "the millenial view of this is...." The
problem for him was that almost all the people that show up for these
"forums" are in their 60's, 70's, and 80's. At one forum, after he
spoke, it was my turn, and I pulled out my AARP card and began "well
speaking as an AARP member..." which got a good laugh from the audience
at the senior housing development.

I have to go to San Francisco now, with the millenials buying $15 bowls
of ramen and $5 boba drinks.