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Damned Central Heating!
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:06:42 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-03-23 15:56, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:34:21 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-20 11:09, sms wrote: [...] There's a big move now to all-electric since the electricity can be generated without the use of fossil fuels. Electric? With PG&E as the supplier? I won't touch that with a 10ft pole for anything where electric power isn't absolutely needed.Yve cooling. No tax incentives there either because politicians are generally not smart enough to understand the benefits of that. You bought a house in a gated community, and you own two cars, and can't afford electricity? Please pay closer attention to what was written and, even more so, what was not written. Premature conclusions are also not wise. a. We do not live in a gated community. Never did. Strange that as it has been said more than once that you do live in a gated community and you have never before refuted it? b. Our cars are both well over 20 years old and we drive less than 1200mi/year with each of them. I see, there are no additional costs for using a car if you don't drive it? Like insurance, etc? Just don't drive them and they are free? c. Of course we can afford electricity. However, it is foolish to use a resource with sky-high prices when there is another much more economical resource. How are prices "sky high", assuming that you pay the same rate as everyone else? They don't have inflation in California? Their minimum salary isn't "sky high" compared to other states? After all California has the highest minimum rate of any state in the union. Why shouldn't their electricity be high also? |
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Damned Central Heating!
On 2019-03-23 16:20, John B Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:06:42 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 15:56, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:34:21 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-20 11:09, sms wrote: [...] There's a big move now to all-electric since the electricity can be generated without the use of fossil fuels. Electric? With PG&E as the supplier? I won't touch that with a 10ft pole for anything where electric power isn't absolutely needed.Yve cooling. No tax incentives there either because politicians are generally not smart enough to understand the benefits of that. You bought a house in a gated community, and you own two cars, and can't afford electricity? Please pay closer attention to what was written and, even more so, what was not written. Premature conclusions are also not wise. a. We do not live in a gated community. Never did. Strange that as it has been said more than once that you do live in a gated community and you have never before refuted it? I have. You should read more carefully. b. Our cars are both well over 20 years old and we drive less than 1200mi/year with each of them. I see, there are no additional costs for using a car if you don't drive it? Like insurance, etc? Just don't drive them and they are free? Insurance is cheap and it is also necessary for cycling, which is covered with the car insurance. The cost pales in comparison to other items. c. Of course we can afford electricity. However, it is foolish to use a resource with sky-high prices when there is another much more economical resource. How are prices "sky high", assuming that you pay the same rate as everyone else? They don't have inflation in California? Their minimum salary isn't "sky high" compared to other states? After all California has the highest minimum rate of any state in the union. Why shouldn't their electricity be high also? See? That's what I mean with high. We pay the highest in the nation or close to highest for almost everything while often receiving shoddy service in return, thanks to politically endorsed union strangleholds. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 08:23:11 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-03-23 16:20, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:06:42 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 15:56, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:34:21 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-20 11:09, sms wrote: [...] There's a big move now to all-electric since the electricity can be generated without the use of fossil fuels. Electric? With PG&E as the supplier? I won't touch that with a 10ft pole for anything where electric power isn't absolutely needed.Yve cooling. No tax incentives there either because politicians are generally not smart enough to understand the benefits of that. You bought a house in a gated community, and you own two cars, and can't afford electricity? Please pay closer attention to what was written and, even more so, what was not written. Premature conclusions are also not wise. a. We do not live in a gated community. Never did. Strange that as it has been said more than once that you do live in a gated community and you have never before refuted it? I have. You should read more carefully. Well perhaps I missed your reply to one or more of J's messages mentioning your establishment. b. Our cars are both well over 20 years old and we drive less than 1200mi/year with each of them. I see, there are no additional costs for using a car if you don't drive it? Like insurance, etc? Just don't drive them and they are free? Insurance is cheap and it is also necessary for cycling, which is covered with the car insurance. The cost pales in comparison to other items. I see. You have insurance for your bicycle? What sort? collision insurance to pay for all the cars you smash up with your bicycle? c. Of course we can afford electricity. However, it is foolish to use a resource with sky-high prices when there is another much more economical resource. How are prices "sky high", assuming that you pay the same rate as everyone else? They don't have inflation in California? Their minimum salary isn't "sky high" compared to other states? After all California has the highest minimum rate of any state in the union. Why shouldn't their electricity be high also? See? That's what I mean with high. We pay the highest in the nation or close to highest for almost everything while often receiving shoddy service in return, thanks to politically endorsed union strangleholds. I find you very strange. You are an immigrant to the U.S. so one assumes that you could have lived in any state in the union but you elected to live in what may well be the most expensive place to live of any of the 50 states and now you complain about it. Have you ever heard to old U.S. adage about shooting yourself in the foot? Someone recently advised you that if you didn't like it in California just move. I might point out that during the 20 years I was in the military that counting the state I was born in, I lived in 8 states and three foreign countries. Granted it was at "my Uncle's" request but the point is that moving can be done safely and is not really a traumatic experience. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 8:23:15 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-03-23 16:20, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:06:42 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 15:56, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:34:21 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-20 11:09, sms wrote: [...] There's a big move now to all-electric since the electricity can be generated without the use of fossil fuels. Electric? With PG&E as the supplier? I won't touch that with a 10ft pole for anything where electric power isn't absolutely needed.Yve cooling. No tax incentives there either because politicians are generally not smart enough to understand the benefits of that. You bought a house in a gated community, and you own two cars, and can't afford electricity? Please pay closer attention to what was written and, even more so, what was not written. Premature conclusions are also not wise. a. We do not live in a gated community. Never did. Strange that as it has been said more than once that you do live in a gated community and you have never before refuted it? I have. You should read more carefully. b. Our cars are both well over 20 years old and we drive less than 1200mi/year with each of them. I see, there are no additional costs for using a car if you don't drive it? Like insurance, etc? Just don't drive them and they are free? Insurance is cheap and it is also necessary for cycling, which is covered with the car insurance. The cost pales in comparison to other items. c. Of course we can afford electricity. However, it is foolish to use a resource with sky-high prices when there is another much more economical resource. How are prices "sky high", assuming that you pay the same rate as everyone else? They don't have inflation in California? Their minimum salary isn't "sky high" compared to other states? After all California has the highest minimum rate of any state in the union. Why shouldn't their electricity be high also? See? That's what I mean with high. We pay the highest in the nation or close to highest for almost everything while often receiving shoddy service in return, thanks to politically endorsed union strangleholds. -- Regards, Joerg Move. You can take TK with you. Leave California. Get out of that hell-hole golf-course community! Maybe the Villages in Florida. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:43:34 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 8:23:15 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 16:20, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:06:42 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 15:56, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:34:21 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-20 11:09, sms wrote: [...] There's a big move now to all-electric since the electricity can be generated without the use of fossil fuels. Electric? With PG&E as the supplier? I won't touch that with a 10ft pole for anything where electric power isn't absolutely needed.Yve cooling. No tax incentives there either because politicians are generally not smart enough to understand the benefits of that. You bought a house in a gated community, and you own two cars, and can't afford electricity? Please pay closer attention to what was written and, even more so, what was not written. Premature conclusions are also not wise. a. We do not live in a gated community. Never did. Strange that as it has been said more than once that you do live in a gated community and you have never before refuted it? I have. You should read more carefully. b. Our cars are both well over 20 years old and we drive less than 1200mi/year with each of them. I see, there are no additional costs for using a car if you don't drive it? Like insurance, etc? Just don't drive them and they are free? Insurance is cheap and it is also necessary for cycling, which is covered with the car insurance. The cost pales in comparison to other items. c. Of course we can afford electricity. However, it is foolish to use a resource with sky-high prices when there is another much more economical resource. How are prices "sky high", assuming that you pay the same rate as everyone else? They don't have inflation in California? Their minimum salary isn't "sky high" compared to other states? After all California has the highest minimum rate of any state in the union. Why shouldn't their electricity be high also? See? That's what I mean with high. We pay the highest in the nation or close to highest for almost everything while often receiving shoddy service in return, thanks to politically endorsed union strangleholds. -- Regards, Joerg Move. You can take TK with you. Leave California. Get out of that hell-hole golf-course community! Maybe the Villages in Florida. -- Jay Beattie. Disregarding Hawaii, California is the 4th most expensive state to live in, electricity wise, while Arkansas and Louisiana are the cheapest. Florida ranks about in the middle (26th). -- Cheers, John B. |
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Damned Central Heating!
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:04:40 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote: On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:43:34 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 8:23:15 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 16:20, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:06:42 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 15:56, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:34:21 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-20 11:09, sms wrote: [...] There's a big move now to all-electric since the electricity can be generated without the use of fossil fuels. Electric? With PG&E as the supplier? I won't touch that with a 10ft pole for anything where electric power isn't absolutely needed.Yve cooling. No tax incentives there either because politicians are generally not smart enough to understand the benefits of that. You bought a house in a gated community, and you own two cars, and can't afford electricity? Please pay closer attention to what was written and, even more so, what was not written. Premature conclusions are also not wise. a. We do not live in a gated community. Never did. Strange that as it has been said more than once that you do live in a gated community and you have never before refuted it? I have. You should read more carefully. b. Our cars are both well over 20 years old and we drive less than 1200mi/year with each of them. I see, there are no additional costs for using a car if you don't drive it? Like insurance, etc? Just don't drive them and they are free? Insurance is cheap and it is also necessary for cycling, which is covered with the car insurance. The cost pales in comparison to other items. c. Of course we can afford electricity. However, it is foolish to use a resource with sky-high prices when there is another much more economical resource. How are prices "sky high", assuming that you pay the same rate as everyone else? They don't have inflation in California? Their minimum salary isn't "sky high" compared to other states? After all California has the highest minimum rate of any state in the union. Why shouldn't their electricity be high also? See? That's what I mean with high. We pay the highest in the nation or close to highest for almost everything while often receiving shoddy service in return, thanks to politically endorsed union strangleholds. -- Regards, Joerg Move. You can take TK with you. Leave California. Get out of that hell-hole golf-course community! Maybe the Villages in Florida. -- Jay Beattie. Disregarding Hawaii, California is the 4th most expensive state to live in, electricity wise, while Arkansas and Louisiana are the cheapest. Florida ranks about in the middle (26th). Further research shows that of the 50 states, including Hawaii and D.C., that California is the most expensive place to live based on the cost of food, housing, transportation, utilities, health care and miscellaneous costs. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Damned Central Heating!
On 3/20/2019 3:44 PM, news18 wrote:
snip Wood is a preferrable heating method to gas to electric. Since our wood heater almost needs replacement, we did look at pellets, but limited supply leading to cost gouging was a concern, plus modern heaters seem to be tin plate these days. In California, on "Spare the Air" days it is forbidden to use wood or pellets for heating. "The rule prohibits burning any solid fuel, including pellets and manufactured logs." |
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Damned Central Heating!
On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 3:43:36 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 8:23:15 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 16:20, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:06:42 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 15:56, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:34:21 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-20 11:09, sms wrote: [...] There's a big move now to all-electric since the electricity can be generated without the use of fossil fuels. Electric? With PG&E as the supplier? I won't touch that with a 10ft pole for anything where electric power isn't absolutely needed.Yve cooling. No tax incentives there either because politicians are generally not smart enough to understand the benefits of that. You bought a house in a gated community, and you own two cars, and can't afford electricity? Please pay closer attention to what was written and, even more so, what was not written. Premature conclusions are also not wise. a. We do not live in a gated community. Never did. Strange that as it has been said more than once that you do live in a gated community and you have never before refuted it? I have. You should read more carefully. b. Our cars are both well over 20 years old and we drive less than 1200mi/year with each of them. I see, there are no additional costs for using a car if you don't drive it? Like insurance, etc? Just don't drive them and they are free? Insurance is cheap and it is also necessary for cycling, which is covered with the car insurance. The cost pales in comparison to other items. c. Of course we can afford electricity. However, it is foolish to use a resource with sky-high prices when there is another much more economical resource. How are prices "sky high", assuming that you pay the same rate as everyone else? They don't have inflation in California? Their minimum salary isn't "sky high" compared to other states? After all California has the highest minimum rate of any state in the union. Why shouldn't their electricity be high also? See? That's what I mean with high. We pay the highest in the nation or close to highest for almost everything while often receiving shoddy service in return, thanks to politically endorsed union strangleholds. -- Regards, Joerg Move. You can take TK with you. Leave California. Get out of that hell-hole golf-course community! Maybe the Villages in Florida. -- Jay Beattie. Sun City, AZ, is hardly anything other than homes and golf courses. Every drives around on the streets with electric golf carts. In two weeks of riding all over Phoenix area I never saw one single homeless person. And they have more illegals per citizen than California. I drove up to the Grand Canyon and all of the cities and towns in between - no homeless. It was sort of the way Portland used to be before they got a Democrat political structure. |
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Damned Central Heating!
On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 5:04:45 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:43:34 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 8:23:15 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 16:20, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:06:42 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-23 15:56, John B Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:34:21 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-03-20 11:09, sms wrote: [...] There's a big move now to all-electric since the electricity can be generated without the use of fossil fuels. Electric? With PG&E as the supplier? I won't touch that with a 10ft pole for anything where electric power isn't absolutely needed.Yve cooling. No tax incentives there either because politicians are generally not smart enough to understand the benefits of that. You bought a house in a gated community, and you own two cars, and can't afford electricity? Please pay closer attention to what was written and, even more so, what was not written. Premature conclusions are also not wise. a. We do not live in a gated community. Never did. Strange that as it has been said more than once that you do live in a gated community and you have never before refuted it? I have. You should read more carefully. b. Our cars are both well over 20 years old and we drive less than 1200mi/year with each of them. I see, there are no additional costs for using a car if you don't drive it? Like insurance, etc? Just don't drive them and they are free? Insurance is cheap and it is also necessary for cycling, which is covered with the car insurance. The cost pales in comparison to other items. c. Of course we can afford electricity. However, it is foolish to use a resource with sky-high prices when there is another much more economical resource. How are prices "sky high", assuming that you pay the same rate as everyone else? They don't have inflation in California? Their minimum salary isn't "sky high" compared to other states? After all California has the highest minimum rate of any state in the union. Why shouldn't their electricity be high also? See? That's what I mean with high. We pay the highest in the nation or close to highest for almost everything while often receiving shoddy service in return, thanks to politically endorsed union strangleholds. -- Regards, Joerg Move. You can take TK with you. Leave California. Get out of that hell-hole golf-course community! Maybe the Villages in Florida. -- Jay Beattie. Disregarding Hawaii, California is the 4th most expensive state to live in, electricity wise, while Arkansas and Louisiana are the cheapest. Florida ranks about in the middle (26th). -- Cheers, John B. Last month I had a $20 electricity bill and a $265 gas bill. You know - that carbon tax. |
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