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No Winner--Fixing the Tour
On Aug 1, 9:06 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote: "Bill C" wrote in message oups.com... Bunch snipped On Aug 1, 7:14 am, "B. Lafferty" In those systems, the state acts as a substitute for western commercialism. Foteringham said that national teams were only part of a possible solution. I think his point that national teams would make it more difficult (albeit, not impossible) logisticaly to dope is a good one. Combine that with on the line testing and other suggestions and you might have a decent start in a new ofensive against doping. To simply reject what WF writes because it is in the Guardian is beneath your reasoning abilty Bill. I would argue that the resources available to a State to dope are much more significant. Diplomatic bags are untoucheable. Generally diplomatic staff are exempt from most legal issues. States have lots of experience in conducting covert operations and the tools to do it with. They have access to the latest drug research, and the scientists. Lots of reasons that State doping should be more effective IMO. I don't know why, other than his disdain for capitalism/commercialism he threw that idea in with the good suggestions he had. He chose to introduce politcal philosophy and the suggestion is just nonsense given the history of State doping in sports. Once again we have a steaming pile of fertilizer being provided by the Guardian. Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. I thought China was a laizze fair capitalist country. :-) They've finally figured out that they can still rule without threat much more comfortably by a limited capitalist system. Russia is moving pretty quickly back towards the Chinese model of both economy and political control. Bill C |
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On Aug 1, 11:13 am, Bill C wrote:
snipped I would argue that the resources available to a State to dope are much more significant. Diplomatic bags are untoucheable. Generally diplomatic staff are exempt from most legal issues. States have lots of experience in conducting covert operations and the tools to do it with. They have access to the latest drug research, and the scientists. Lots of reasons that State doping should be more effective IMO. I don't know why, other than his disdain for capitalism/commercialism he threw that idea in with the good suggestions he had. He chose to introduce politcal philosophy and the suggestion is just nonsense given the history of State doping in sports. Bill C One of the French folks wandering around at Augsburg commented once that the "C.D" on diplomatic bags did not stand for "Corps Diplomatique" but "Contrebande Distingué". He was in a position to know since he was part of the courrier group. Bill C |
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On Aug 1, 7:23 am, Bill C wrote:
On Aug 1, 7:14 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...s_tour_has_no_... ".......A partial return to national teams, as proposed by the Tour organisers? That might play its part, if only to rein in the rampant commercialism that has contributed to the current free-for-all, to make the point to professional teams that there is an alternative. Part of the problem, it seems, is that some teams think the race won't function without them. They need to get the message that it can. Next year, if the Tour organisers have any bottle, maybe it will. Putting on national colours won't stop doping just like that - Tom Simpson died in a GB jersey, lest we forget - but it would cut the ties with the doping infrastructure that must travel with some of the teams. Arguably, without the finance and the structure (doctors, couriers etc) it would be harder to dope. There are other measures: blood testing up to 30 minutes before the start. Ramping up out-of-competition tests. Hammering Wada to push through the human growth hormone test and a way of detecting heterologous blood transfusions. Appointing a neutral doping control officer-cum-detective to each team..........." Yep, ramapnt commercialism definitely drove the doping by the Chinese and E. German Olympic teams. There was definitely no organized infrastructure provided to those athletes. Once again we have a steaming pile of fertilizer being provided by the Guardian. Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. Bill C- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Correct National short or Television Program shirt. If they have a bike between their legs they will still cheat. |
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On Aug 1, 6:14 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote: (earlier stuff that got shot down pretty quickly snipped) There are other measures: blood testing up to 30 minutes before the start. That wouldn't give the fine folks at the lab much time to leak results to the Press, would it now? Blood testing at the feed zones? On the podium itself? Ramping up out-of-competition tests. Hammering Wada to push through the human growth hormone test and a way of detecting heterologous blood transfusions. Appointing a neutral doping control officer-cum-detective to each team..........." The cost of increased purity is going to be mighty dear. Imbedded dope cops? And cops to watch the cops? Hey, I have an idea: Let's not make rules we can't enforce, and try it that way for a nice extended trial period-- say, five years or so. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30835755001242 What if EPO use could be open? The microdosing technique supposedly used (found by trial and error?) by many pro cyclists seems to be safe, since we haven't been reading about riders dying in their sleep for some time now. What if "sports medicine" could be made legitimate ("open", not underground), lowering risks for participants? IOW, what if chemical performance enhancement could be made safe, or as "safe" as participation itself? http://tinyurl.com/2nyajf --D-y |
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National short or Television Program shirt. If they have a bike
between their legs they will still cheat. Why do we continue to act as if this is a cycling-specific issue? Cheating is rampant throughout society. White-collar crime is rampant (market manipulation, option schemes, embezzlement...), students at the highest universities in the land are not questioning their "need" to cheat on tests, etc. Having a bike between your legs does not in any way change your desire to cheat; it only changes the mechanism. Society at large has decided what the ethical parameters for life have become. Cycling is one of the most-obvious indications of were those parameters lie, because we actually believe (perhaps naively) that something can be done about it, and publicize those attempts. We air our dirty laundry for all the world to see, and to what end? --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 1, 7:23 am, Bill C wrote: On Aug 1, 7:14 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...s_tour_has_no_... ".......A partial return to national teams, as proposed by the Tour organisers? That might play its part, if only to rein in the rampant commercialism that has contributed to the current free-for-all, to make the point to professional teams that there is an alternative. Part of the problem, it seems, is that some teams think the race won't function without them. They need to get the message that it can. Next year, if the Tour organisers have any bottle, maybe it will. Putting on national colours won't stop doping just like that - Tom Simpson died in a GB jersey, lest we forget - but it would cut the ties with the doping infrastructure that must travel with some of the teams. Arguably, without the finance and the structure (doctors, couriers etc) it would be harder to dope. There are other measures: blood testing up to 30 minutes before the start. Ramping up out-of-competition tests. Hammering Wada to push through the human growth hormone test and a way of detecting heterologous blood transfusions. Appointing a neutral doping control officer-cum-detective to each team..........." Yep, ramapnt commercialism definitely drove the doping by the Chinese and E. German Olympic teams. There was definitely no organized infrastructure provided to those athletes. Once again we have a steaming pile of fertilizer being provided by the Guardian. Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. Bill C- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Correct National short or Television Program shirt. If they have a bike between their legs they will still cheat. |
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On Aug 1, 11:38 am, wrote:
National short or Television Program shirt. If they have a bike between their legs they will still cheat. Just the same as your rowers. In the USA, our Tour coverage, on the Versus network, was sponsored by a "natural male enhancement" drug company. I guess that isn't "cheating" since all's fair in love and war (no one having raised a comparable-to-doping-in-cycling public outcry IRT the known heart attack-Viagra usage link). At least those aged athletes didn't die in their sleep. Indeed; they were "Doing Something They Loved"! --D-y |
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, Donald Munro wrote: Bill C wrote: Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. Lenin is into formaldehyde. You believe? The contents of that diorama is a wax effigy. -- Michael Press |
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Bill C wrote:
Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. Donald Munro wrote: Lenin is into formaldehyde. Michael Press wrote: You believe? The contents of that diorama is a wax effigy. Tyler is innocent and that is his chimera. |
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On Aug 1, 1:31 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:
National short or Television Program shirt. If they have a bike between their legs they will still cheat. Why do we continue to act as if this is a cycling-specific issue? Cheating is rampant throughout society. White-collar crime is rampant (market manipulation, option schemes, embezzlement...), students at the highest universities in the land are not questioning their "need" to cheat on tests, etc. Having a bike between your legs does not in any way change your desire to cheat; it only changes the mechanism. Society at large has decided what the ethical parameters for life have become. Cycling is one of the most-obvious indications of were those parameters lie, because we actually believe (perhaps naively) that something can be done about it, and publicize those attempts. We air our dirty laundry for all the world to see, and to what end? --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/7081816 Quoted: His local golf club in Florence released a statement later Wednesday, defending him and saying that he had informed authorities at the time of the test that he had taken the drug for almost two years to treat a prostate problem. Golf has come under increased pressure from the World Anti-Doping Agency to introduce random drug testing after South African veteran Gary Player claimed at the British Open last month that some golfers were taking performance-enhancing drugs. I don't think Wada is going after the rich, white guy, league here in the US that is the PGA, or at least not for long. Way more lawyers, and politicians golf, and are fanatical about it, than race bicycles. Bill C |
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