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Colorado: new bicycle bill passes
http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/art...ws050226_4.htm
By George Lurie Herald Denver Bureau Chief DENVER - Lawmakers in the state House on Friday passed HB 1218 - the so-called "Bicycle Bill" - by a vote of 41 to 21. The bill was introduced by state Rep. Greg Brophy, R-Wray, and now moves on to the Senate. If passed, the law would allow bicyclists to ride two abreast in certain situations, signal a right turn with a horizontal motion of their right arm, and to ride through pedestrian crosswalks. State Rep. Matt Knoedler, R-Lakewood, who supports the legislation, said: "This is a common-sense bill and establishes common-sense liability issues." But state Rep. Mark Larson, R-Cortez, who voted against the bill, believes the legislation would put bicyclists at risk. "This is going to expose many bicycle riders to unnecessary danger," said Larson. "The intentions behind this bill are good, and we tried to amend it in committee. But if passed this bill begins to encroach on motor-vehicle laws and will have the unintended consequence of giving false confidence to cyclists." Forget about new laws for cyclist. How about harsher punishment for all the drivers of motor vehicles who endanger / hurt / kill bike riders! Like mandatory prison time for any accident involving a cyclist! Ken -- More of my mind dribblings: http://mind-dribble.blogspot.com/ |
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Ken Marcet writes:
http://tinyurl.com/6a4dz So? How about some details. What does the "Bicycle Bill" provide? That article contains no more than what you cited and gives no idea what the bill contains. Jobst Brandt |
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"Ken Marcet" wrote in message ... "This is going to expose many bicycle riders to unnecessary danger," said Larson. "The intentions behind this bill are good, and we tried to amend it in committee. But if passed this bill begins to encroach on motor-vehicle laws and will have the unintended consequence of giving false confidence to cyclists." Makes me wonder how we cyclists who live in places where it is entirely legal to be on the road & cycle two-abreast manage to survive ;-) Cheers, helen s Forget about new laws for cyclist. How about harsher punishment for all the drivers of motor vehicles who endanger / hurt / kill bike riders! Like mandatory prison time for any accident involving a cyclist! Ken -- More of my mind dribblings: http://mind-dribble.blogspot.com/ |
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Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:10:40 -0500, ,
"Ken Marcet" wrote: Forget about new laws for cyclist. How about harsher punishment for all the drivers of motor vehicles who endanger / hurt / kill bike riders! Like mandatory prison time for any accident involving a cyclist! Absolutely, in cases where they're proved at fault. And permanent loss of their driving privileges. And wearing a bracelet so the terms of their punishment can be monitored and enforced after/ if they survive mandatory prison time. HURT THEM WHERE IT HURTS! There is no public will for the proper enforcement as most cops, jurors and judges are cagers who don't want to be similarly punished for their own transgressions. I'd rather witness public crucifixions and impalements of those killer scud scum than ever see another roadside shine for a dead pedestrian. -- zk |
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"Ken Marcet" wrote DENVER - Lawmakers in the state House on Friday passed HB 1218 - the so-called "Bicycle Bill" - by a vote of 41 to 21. The bill was introduced by state Rep. Greg Brophy, R-Wray, and now moves on to the Senate. If passed, the law would allow bicyclists to ride two abreast in certain situations, signal a right turn with a horizontal motion of their right arm, and to ride through pedestrian crosswalks. State Rep. Matt Knoedler, R-Lakewood, who supports the legislation, said: "This is a common-sense bill and establishes common-sense liability issues." But state Rep. Mark Larson, R-Cortez, who voted against the bill, believes the legislation would put bicyclists at risk. "This is going to expose many bicycle riders to unnecessary danger," said Larson. "The intentions behind this bill are good, and we tried to amend it in committee. But if passed this bill begins to encroach on motor-vehicle laws and will have the unintended consequence of giving false confidence to cyclists." Forget about new laws for cyclist. How about harsher punishment for all the drivers of motor vehicles who endanger / hurt / kill bike riders! Like mandatory prison time for any accident involving a cyclist! Ken I thought Colorado already allowed cyclists to ride two abreast when no motor vehicle traffic was present. What's changed here and how does the new law make things better? I've never in my life signalled a right turn with either arm while cycling (except for two brief trips to the UK and Ireland). I've always felt that I was better off letting other vehicle operators think I was going straight through an intersection. How is this new law going to make my life any better? AIUI, Colorado law allows cyclists to cycle on the sidewalk provided they walk the bicycle through crosswalks. Cyclists who walk their bicycles through crosswalks have the same priority over motor vehicle traffic as pedestrians. Cyclists who don't want to walk their bikes through crosswalks can ride in the street, in which case they are treated as vehicles and have the same rights and responsiblities as motor vehicle operators. IMO, allowing sidewalk cyclists to cycle through crosswalks would make life dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists would be more likely to enter crosswalks too fast for motorists to see them and stop in time. Allowing sidewalk cyclists to ride through pedestrian crosswalks strikes me as a good way to get people hurt. It's real nice of my state legislature to think about bicycles for a change, but I'm a little dubious about what this new law is supposed to accomplish. Cycling laws in Colorado are already pretty well written, and I'd like to see more cyclists obeying the laws we already have. -- mark |
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Jobst asks:
So? How about some details. What does the "Bicycle Bill" provide? Current law in Colorado requires bicyclists to ride single file when an automobile is within 300 feet of the cyclists, even if the car is in the approaching lane and even if you're riding in a 10 foot shoulder. The proposed law requires only that bicyclists ride single file if they would otherwise impede motor vehicle traffic. Current law requires using only the left arm to signal. New law will allow use of right arm. Current law gives sidewalk cyclists all the rights and duties of pedestrians, with the additional proviso that cyclists must dismount at all crosswalks. Currently, it's an automatic ticket for the pedestrian-on-bike, no matter how careless the motorist is. I'm a road cyclist, but it's still a rotten situation. New law will remove the dismount requirement, requiring only the sidewalk cyclists not dart in front of traffic -- same as pedestrians. More details at http://www.bicyclecolorado.org/ The people who voted against the bill did so because it would require motorists to -- get this -- actually look where they're going when they turn across an intersection. Strange concept, I know. RFM |
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mark wrote:
I've always felt that I was better off letting other vehicle operators think I was going straight through an intersection. That's rude. Why hold the vehicle operator's up when it's unnecessary? It will only make them dislike bicyclists, which can hardly be helpful for us. Rich |
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mark wrote: I've never in my life signalled a right turn with either arm while cycling (except for two brief trips to the UK and Ireland). I've always felt that I was better off letting other vehicle operators think I was going straight through an intersection. How is this new law going to make my life any better? I frequently signal right turns. I figure it just lubricates the traffic machinery, so to speak. In particular, I'll _always_ signal my right turn if there's a motorist sitting at the right stop sign, who could get out sooner if he knew I was turning. Why not help him out? And I like the right arm signal, especially in that situation. The "left arm crooked upward" signal for a right turn is much less clear - and is even worse when viewed from the front. (Although I'll use the old style signal if communicating with a car who's more likely to see my left arm.) |
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"Zoot Katz" wrote , , wrote: I frequently signal right turns. I figure it just lubricates the traffic machinery, so to speak. In particular, I'll _always_ signal my right turn if there's a motorist sitting at the right stop sign, who could get out sooner if he knew I was turning. Why not help him out? And I like the right arm signal, especially in that situation. \snip Yep, and a head signal encourages them and helps get the message across. It does expedite matters and drivers seem to appreciate it. -- zk Sounds like I need to reconsider my position on right turn signals. -- mark |
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