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Who is making SRAM components.....?
Who is making SRAM components.....?
The brakes look at lot like the old Modolo SLK brakes. Modolo has been OEMing brakes for various companies over the years for Mavic. I would not surprised if Stronglight was making their cranks as well. Not certain if the Huret division is still making parts. I can't believe that Sachs shut down the Maillard division. When Sachs acquired Maillard they were the number #1 hub manufacturer in the world. The Normandy hubs were standard on most of the bikes until the late 80's. Today the consumers have live with these junky Joytech hubs that are rough because the hub flanges are not parallel. |
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On Feb 20, 11:21*pm, Randall wrote:
Who is making SRAM components.....? China, probably. The brakes look at lot like the old Modolo SLK brakes. Modolo has been OEMing brakes for various companies over the years for Mavic. I would not surprised if Stronglight was making their cranks as well. Not certain if the Huret division is still making parts. SRAM has a lot of in-house component experience, and owns crank specialists Truvativ. I can't believe that Sachs shut down the Maillard division. When Sachs acquired Maillard they were the number #1 hub manufacturer in the world. The Normandy hubs were standard on most of the bikes until the late 80's. Today the consumers have live with these junky Joytech hubs that are rough because the hub flanges are not parallel. I think you're the first person I've heard say anything nice about Maillard hubs, though usually all you hear about is their notorious Helicomatic freehub. I think the who and where of manufacturing, though interesting as a business-process question, ends up being a lot less important than design and process control. So Campagnolo was able to make both very good and very bad equipment in Italy, and Shimano could make good stuff in Malaysia. |
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On Feb 22, 9:09*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
On Feb 20, 11:21*pm, Randall wrote: Who is making SRAM components.....? China, probably. Possibly but I have not seen that level of quailty parts come from china yet.Po The brakes look at lot like the old Modolo SLK brakes. Modolo has been OEMing brakes for various companies over the years for Mavic. I would not surprised if Stronglight was making their cranks as well. Not *certain if the Huret division is still making parts. SRAM has a lot of in-house component experience, and owns crank specialists Truvativ. I can't believe that Sachs shut down the Maillard division. When Sachs acquired Maillard they were the number #1 hub manufacturer in the world. The Normandy hubs were standard on most of the bikes until the late 80's. Today the consumers have live with these junky Joytech hubs that are rough because the hub flanges are not parallel. I own a few pairs of the Maillard 700 hubs. They are the smoothest ball bearing hubs made. The seal were great. You would open up the hubs and the grease looked like they had been repacked. The only real issue is that the axles broke. They used a.chromoly axle. So seems.kin of strange. I think you're the first person I've heard say anything nice about Maillard hubs, though usually all you hear about is their notorious Helicomatic freehub. j I think the who and where of manufacturing, though interesting as a business-process question, ends up being a lot less important than design and process control. So Campagnolo was able to make both very good and very bad equipment in Italy, and Shimano could make good stuff in Malaysia. |
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No idea of who is making SRAM, but I don't yearn for the equipment of
the '70's and '80's at all. Crappy shifting, bearings that constantly had to be repacked, headsets that required regular fiddling, heavy steel frames that fatigue cracked, weak brakes, cables that snapped regularly, flimsy tubular rims that dented and broke easily. |
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On 23/02/2012 15:07, Brad Anders wrote:
equipment of the '70's and '80's [...] weak brakes http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/02/14/...ill-they-work/ |
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On 2/23/2012 8:23 AM, A. Dumas wrote:
On 23/02/2012 15:07, Brad Anders wrote: equipment of the '70's and '80's [...] weak brakes http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/02/14/...ill-they-work/ Good lord!! If you subtract out utility bikes, road bikes are rapidly becoming a niche market consisting of older riders. How many sets of disc brakes would you have to sell to fatty masters (who are generally looking for *lighter* stuff, not heavier) to justify the lawsuit risk? F |
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On Feb 23, 7:20*am, Fred Flintstein
wrote: On 2/23/2012 8:23 AM, A. Dumas wrote: On 23/02/2012 15:07, Brad Anders wrote: equipment of the '70's and '80's [...] weak brakes http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/02/14/...es-are-coming-... Good lord!! If you subtract out utility bikes, road bikes are rapidly becoming a niche market consisting of older riders. How many sets of disc brakes would you have to sell to fatty masters (who are generally looking for *lighter* stuff, not heavier) to justify the lawsuit risk? The gateway for "road" discs is cyclocross and commuting (maybe touring). The CX crowd wants them because they ride through mud and wreck their rims and brakes, and discs are a clear advantage for them in many situations. In the commuter market, it doesn't matter in a lot of places, but in Vancouver I'd say that discs are almost a default choice for serious commuter bikes (I don't have one on my bike, but I'm considering the retrofit). Again, same deal: better wet-weather braking, less rain fouling, no rim wear. As for the weight, UCI legal road bikes now have weight to burn. The 6.8 kg minimum is relatively easy for high-end bikes to hit (and I mean high-end as in stuff that sits on the showroom floor of mainstream road bike shops, not "optimized" nonsense from boutique companies). That's not really a good reason for road racing bikes to use discs, but it means that barring aero issues, they can be used without an effective weight penalty. The poor sucker in the bikerumor article was the subject of an implementation that even my arts-major brain can see was really stupid: road bikes have the potential to put far higher stress on their braking systems than wussy MTBers, since speed=energy, and brakes are for dissipating energy. For some reason, his bike had the airiest lowest-area (Ashima) disc I have ever seen on a bike. As he suspects, maybe a plausible CX design, but I'm going to claim post hoc that had I seen such a rotor on a purported road bike, I would have immediately identified it as a grave design flaw. Non-ridiculous disc brake systems can be made to work on the road. The most obvious advantage I see is not wearing out rims through brake usage, which means you can run fancy rims on wet days without thinking about the cost (maybe of some use to semi-cheapskate roadies, of massive use to semi-cheapskate CXers and rainforest-dwelling commuters such as myself, where rim wear is a notable operating cost). I don't know if plausible implementations of a road bike disc system (weight-competitive, doesn't brake, doesn't have micro-discs that try to kill the rider on descents) will offer performance advantages over rim brakes. The potential to run closer tolerances than you can get away with on rim systems suggests you can get the same kinds of leverage and modulation advantages that drove MTBers to discs, but road bike rim braking is not an obvious limitation on road bike performance right now. Like I say, it might be nice to have a bit better braking (if that happens), and the rim wear advantages are compelling at some level, but I'm not rushing out to buy a disc system for my race bike. (OTOH, I have not yet upgraded from 9-speed on my race bike, so I'm already a retrogrouch of sorts). Regarding the fatty master market for road bikes, as long as you don't make imbecilic rotors like that Ashima (drillium kills, kids), or commit the other basic errors that are pretty much identified by the manufeacturer reps the reporter interviewed, fatty masters will not be endangered or entorted (that's a word, right lawyers?) by discs. That's not to say they'll buy them. |
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On 2/23/2012 11:32 AM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
On Feb 23, 7:20 am, Fred wrote: On 2/23/2012 8:23 AM, A. Dumas wrote: On 23/02/2012 15:07, Brad Anders wrote: equipment of the '70's and '80's [...] weak brakes http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/02/14/...es-are-coming-... Good lord!! If you subtract out utility bikes, road bikes are rapidly becoming a niche market consisting of older riders. How many sets of disc brakes would you have to sell to fatty masters (who are generally looking for *lighter* stuff, not heavier) to justify the lawsuit risk? The gateway for "road" discs is cyclocross and commuting (maybe touring). The CX crowd wants them because they ride through mud and wreck their rims and brakes, and discs are a clear advantage for them in many situations. In the commuter market, it doesn't matter in a lot of places, but in Vancouver I'd say that discs are almost a default choice for serious commuter bikes (I don't have one on my bike, but I'm considering the retrofit). Again, same deal: better wet-weather braking, less rain fouling, no rim wear. CX? Sure. Absolutely. We are not far from having the majority of CX bikes coming with disc brakes. Commuters? You're correct there too. Outside of the rain forest it doesn't matter. I'll bet the numbers of riders with extended descents far outnumbers the ones in the rainforest. As for the weight, UCI legal road bikes now have weight to burn. The 6.8 kg minimum is relatively easy for high-end bikes to hit (and I mean high-end as in stuff that sits on the showroom floor of mainstream road bike shops, not "optimized" nonsense from boutique companies). That's not really a good reason for road racing bikes to use discs, but it means that barring aero issues, they can be used without an effective weight penalty. I forget, you're from Canuckistan. In the US, fatty master races don't fall under UCI rules. No one is going to pay extra(*) for something that is heavier and less reliable to solve problems that don't exist outside of the rainforest. F (*) Unless they make them out of carbon fiber and charge way too much. That's how Arse-Sys wheels hit the market even though every prior attempt at carbon fiber spokes had failed. |
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On Feb 23, 7:23*am, "A. Dumas" wrote:
On 23/02/2012 15:07, Brad Anders wrote: equipment of the '70's and '80's [...] weak brakes http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/02/14/...es-are-coming-... Can't really see the advantage here of disc brakes. Heavier, more complex, more prone to fading, etc. Stetina also said you won't be able to reduce road bike rim weights appreciably to offset the weight of the rotor without compromising strength. IMO, the dual-pivot brake was a gigantic improvement in braking over the previous single-pivot and centerpull designs. You went from a brake that either had zero stopping power (e.g. Mafac centerpull) or required high effort (e.g. Campy/others single-pivot sidepull) to a brake which has good feel and modulation, along with low effort and light weight. |
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On Feb 23, 3:14*pm, Fred Flintstein
wrote: I forget, you're from Canuckistan. In the US, fatty master races don't fall under UCI rules. No one is going to pay extra(*) for something that is heavier and less reliable to solve problems that don't exist outside of the rainforest. F (*) Unless they make them out of carbon fiber and charge way too much. That's how Arse-Sys wheels hit the market even though every prior attempt at carbon fiber spokes had failed. Do you even ride a bike? Of course fatty masters are going to pay more for something that is heavier and less reliable to solve problems they don't have! As long as it is shiny (or carbon-y) and new and they need to buy it to keep up with the guy who always shows up on Saturday with the latest awesome thing, it will sell like ... like donuts at a fatty masters picnic, that's what it will sell like. Arse-Sys wheels are hardly the only example. Remember Spinergys? Rev-X? Goddamn those things were annoying. Boutique clacky freehubs? And on and on. Years ago, they used to have flamewars in r.b.tech about disk brakes levering front wheels out of fork dropouts. I had the impression that the MTB world eventually conceded that as a possible design flaw if you used a wimpy (road) skewer, but maybe I'm wrong. Was this ever settled before they started putting disc brakes on road bikes? (Surely that issue must have been settled for CX disc bikes, since you do need a QR skewer for quick wheel changes.) Fredmaster Ben brakes are for slowing, not stopping |
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