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  #11  
Old December 16th 19, 09:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sepp Ruf
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John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 17:20:38 -0800 (PST), pH wrote:
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:43:26 AM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
Maybe this has already been discussed and I missed it. Frank Berto
passed away about a week ago, per Jan Heine's blog. I remember reading
his stuff 40 years ago, always very informative.


Probably better to ask this on comp.os.linux.misc, but...

When I put Berto and Dancing Chain into google all I get is places to buy the book.
My local library does not carry it.

What's the proper search term to find the actual *text* somewhere instead of the incessant promotion of commerce?

pH "Am I just frugal or an actual skinflint?" Aptos


skinflint.

"Frank Berto+Dancing Chain"


Luckily, there appears to commercial help available for pH's skin condition...
https://www.thedancingchain.com/About%20Me.htm

May Frank Berto nonetheless rest in peace.
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Old December 16th 19, 03:57 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/15/2019 7:20 PM, pH wrote:
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:43:26 AM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
Maybe this has already been discussed and I missed it. Frank Berto
passed away about a week ago, per Jan Heine's blog. I remember reading
his stuff 40 years ago, always very informative.


Probably better to ask this on comp.os.linux.misc, but...

When I put Berto and Dancing Chain into google all I get is places to buy the book.
My local library does not carry it.

What's the proper search term to find the actual *text* somewhere instead of the incessant promotion of commerce?

pH "Am I just frugal or an actual skinflint?" Aptos


I don't know but you can own the actual book for $24:
https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?k...s. x=0&hs.y=0

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Old December 16th 19, 05:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ted Heise
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On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:57:08 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/15/2019 7:20 PM, pH wrote:
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:43:26 AM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
Maybe this has already been discussed and I missed it.
Frank Berto passed away about a week ago, per Jan Heine's
blog. I remember reading his stuff 40 years ago, always very
informative.


Probably better to ask this on comp.os.linux.misc, but...

When I put Berto and Dancing Chain into google all I get is
places to buy the book. My local library does not carry it.

What's the proper search term to find the actual *text*
somewhere instead of the incessant promotion of commerce?

pH "Am I just frugal or an actual skinflint?" Aptos


I don't know but you can own the actual book for $24:
https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?k...s. x=0&hs.y=0



Also you may be able to find it with this...

https://www.worldcat.org/

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Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA
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Old December 16th 19, 05:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 12/15/2019 11:38 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 19:07:45 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 2:57:02 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 16:40:08 -0600, AMuzi
wrote:
On 12/14/2019 1:43 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
Maybe this has already been discussed and I missed it. Frank
Berto passed away about a week ago, per Jan Heine's blog. I
remember reading his stuff 40 years ago, always very informative.


Sad to hear that. I was unable to find an obit.

I couldn't find one either. He was apparently 90 years old from what
did pop up on the interwebs. I enjoyed "The Dancing Chain" very
much, quite a labor of obsessiveness and detail. Berto was pretty
good at poking a few holes in the nonsense that pervades cycling
(well, nonsense is pretty universal and these days is getting
universaller).


We need more minds that can write books about bicycling.


Aye, especially books that are actually useful and not just fashion
statements or vanity press. There are some interesting historical books
out there, like Jan Jeine's history of Rene Herse which covers most of
the history of French cycling in the 20th century (other than the Tour
de France). But I don't need another "The Curmudgeonly Cyclist" book
nor a "Slavish Devotion to the Latest Tech" one, either.


Among the bike books I've especially enjoyed have been the ones that
were engineering oriented, as opposed to "Bike Tech" oriented in the
"Buycycling" magazine manner. I mean books that pay more attention to
mechanical (and biological) facts than to extolling the negligible
virtues of whatever is currently being advertised.

Example: _DeLong's Guide to Bicycles & Bicycling_ from the 1970s was my
first encounter with bicycle engineering info.
_Bicycling Science_ by Wilson was a lot deeper.
_The Dancing Chain_ by Berto was fun historically and technically.
_The Bicycle Wheel_ by Brandt was logical and practical.
and _Bicycles and Tricycles_ by Sharp was interesting engineering
history. It's amazing what engineers knew back in the 1890s.

I also like books on how to ride competently. It always amazes me that
so many cyclists get so committed to cycling, but don't bother to learn
how to operate a bike properly on real roads.
_Street Smarts_ by Allen is just 50 pages and often available free.
_Cyclecraft_ by Franklin is very good, and very detailed. (There should
probably be a Readers' Digest condensed version.)
_Effective Cycling_ by Forester laid the groundwork, but it's probabbly
best to skip Forester's polemics.
_Urban Biker Tips and Tricks_ by Glowacz is an engaging presentation and
has some value, but I disagree with some of his flagrantly illegal "tricks."


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- Frank Krygowski
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Old December 16th 19, 07:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
pH
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On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 12:50:43 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 17:20:38 -0800 (PST), pH wrote:
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:43:26 AM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
Maybe this has already been discussed and I missed it. Frank Berto
passed away about a week ago, per Jan Heine's blog. I remember reading
his stuff 40 years ago, always very informative.

Probably better to ask this on comp.os.linux.misc, but...

When I put Berto and Dancing Chain into google all I get is places to buy the book.
My local library does not carry it.

What's the proper search term to find the actual *text* somewhere instead of the incessant promotion of commerce?

pH "Am I just frugal or an actual skinflint?" Aptos


skinflint.


Ha!
Okay...wiser heads have spoken and I am duly shamed.
I will attempt to amend my Scrooge-like ways...I'm
sure the first spirit is on his way.

Thanks for the feedback...guess my wife and kids are right!

pH


"Frank Berto+Dancing Chain"


Luckily, there appears to commercial help available for pH's skin condition...
https://www.thedancingchain.com/About%20Me.htm

May Frank Berto nonetheless rest in peace.


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Old December 16th 19, 07:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
pH
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On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 8:10:07 AM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:57:08 -0600,
AMuzi snip wrote:
On 12/15/2019 7:20 PM, pH wrote:
On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:43:26 AM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
Maybe this has already been discussed and I missed it.
Frank Berto passed away about a week ago, per Jan Heine's
blog. I remember reading his stuff 40 years ago, always very
informative.

Probably better to ask this on comp.os.linux.misc, but...

When I put Berto and Dancing Chain into google all I get is
places to buy the book. My local library does not carry it.

What's the proper search term to find the actual *text*
somewhere instead of the incessant promotion of commerce?

pH "Am I just frugal or an actual skinflint?" Aptos


I don't know but you can own the actual book for $24:
https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?k...s. x=0&hs.y=0



Also you may be able to find it with this...

https://www.worldcat.org/

--
Ted Heise snip West Lafayette, IN, USA


Wow. It emits a lot of useful information in response to a search.
Cool site. Thanks!

pH
 




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