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Bike Share graveyard
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 06:57, wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...trys-arrogance It's sad. They should have at least had the wisdom to donate those discarded bicycles to an underdeveloped country where even one lone bicycle in the family can make the difference between being able to earn a couple of bucks a day or not, and feeding the family. There are still people in this world who have to schlepp their produce to market on foot, over lots of miles. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Very noble but someone has to pay for the shipment and distrubution. You take care of that? Lou |
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On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 3:39:04 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-25 06:57, wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...trys-arrogance It's sad. They should have at least had the wisdom to donate those discarded bicycles to an underdeveloped country where even one lone bicycle in the family can make the difference between being able to earn a couple of bucks a day or not, and feeding the family. There are still people in this world who have to schlepp their produce to market on foot, over lots of miles. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Very noble but someone has to pay for the shipment and distrubution. You take care of that? Lou goo.gl/i65wNg aluminum.... gotta separate Al from Fe frankly, if the Chinese not gonna do it ... goo.gl/Tb2Qnz try auto then bicycle crusher anyone see an image of a bicycle cube ? steel auto body carriers are often seen here ... locally steel's recycling perimeter out into the boons prob expands slowly , when ? demand |
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On 2017-11-27 02:39, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-25 06:57, wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...trys-arrogance It's sad. They should have at least had the wisdom to donate those discarded bicycles to an underdeveloped country where even one lone bicycle in the family can make the difference between being able to earn a couple of bucks a day or not, and feeding the family. There are still people in this world who have to schlepp their produce to market on foot, over lots of miles. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Very noble but someone has to pay for the shipment and distrubution. You take care of that? Yes, by donating to help organizations. Part of the donated money goes towards transport. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 27-11-17 11:39, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-25 06:57, wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...trys-arrogance It's sad. They should have at least had the wisdom to donate those discarded bicycles to an underdeveloped country where even one lone bicycle in the family can make the difference between being able to earn a couple of bucks a day or not, and feeding the family. There are still people in this world who have to schlepp their produce to market on foot, over lots of miles. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Very noble but someone has to pay for the shipment and distrubution. You take care of that? Lou Earlier I mentioned the Swiss example of Velafrica. Here is the link to their website: http://velafrica.ch/en/What-we-do Sending bikes does involve significant costs. From the FAQ: "How big is the expenditure to ship bikes from Switzerland to Africa? The transportation of 500 bicycles to for example Ghana is around 5000 Swiss Francs. And there are additional costs such as custom fees or costs for the local transportation, which vary between 10 and 20 Swiss Francs. All in all, a bicycle costs about 40 to 70 Swiss Francs." (The present exchange rate is almost exactly 1 $ per Swiss Franc.) Velafrica relies on donations (and I think help from shipping companies). In 2016 they were able to send more than 22,000 bikes. See http://velafrica.ch/en/What-we-do/Export (here without the link error in my previous post) So it can be done, but it takes organization, helpers, and people willing to contribute both material and money. Maybe this was too much to ask of the Chinese company discarding the pile of bikes, but it still seems very sad to just junk them. Still, Velafrica contrasts the recycled Swiss bikes with ones from China: "Recycled bicycles from Switzerland are highly popular in Africa. They are sturdier than the bicycles from China which are available on the local market and, frequently, also cheaper." That text continues, "Each and every bicycle however needs to be repaired and maintained. That's why Velafrica also trains bicycle mechanics, establishes workshops and ensures that spare parts and tools are replenished. Jobs, training and income opportunities in the region are created. The population gets access to affordable and robust bicycles. These wheels from Switzerland create opportunities." Here is the web page if you want to make a donation: http://velafrica.ch/en/donations/Financial-donation Ned |
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On 11/25/2017 12:57 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:45, wrote: look around, the lot is for recycling Yeah, right, into the crusher, sort, melt. The usual. If you take a look at the height of the pile it becomes obvious that the bicycles were likely literally thrown onto that pile without any care whether they'd be damaged. Many won't even have a straight frame anymore. This is how it's done right: http://www.keeploupbasinbeautiful.or...life-to-bikes/ Two companies want to set up dockless bike sharing in my city. They've come to City Council meetings with their bicycles to pitch their company. There's a Limebike in my city hall office. I have my doubts as to the success of such a venture and I have concerns about the liability of the City. The bicycles are so incredibly heavy that I doubt that they would be stolen. |
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On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:11:16 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 11/25/2017 12:57 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-25 12:45, wrote: look around, the lot is for recycling Yeah, right, into the crusher, sort, melt. The usual. If you take a look at the height of the pile it becomes obvious that the bicycles were likely literally thrown onto that pile without any care whether they'd be damaged. Many won't even have a straight frame anymore. This is how it's done right: http://www.keeploupbasinbeautiful.or...life-to-bikes/ Two companies want to set up dockless bike sharing in my city. They've come to City Council meetings with their bicycles to pitch their company. There's a Limebike in my city hall office. I have my doubts as to the success of such a venture and I have concerns about the liability of the City. The bicycles are so incredibly heavy that I doubt that they would be stolen. Vandalism can be more widespread and as expensive as theft. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...ands_bike.html Bike share programs also bite into private business. http://www.wweek.com/bikes/2017/04/2...nd-bike-shops/ Cities are inefficient business operators and already subject to enormous risk. In Cupertino, I think there would be a very low reward versus risk. It would be a novelty program. Is there any similarly diffuse area where bike share programs have really worked. Do they work anywhere? I think the jury is still out in Portland. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:11:09 -0800, sms
wrote: Two companies want to set up dockless bike sharing in my city. They've come to City Council meetings with their bicycles to pitch their company. There's a Limebike in my city hall office. I have my doubts as to the success of such a venture and I have concerns about the liability of the City. The bicycles are so incredibly heavy that I doubt that they would be stolen. We've had the "Nice Ride" public bikes with docks all over Minneapolis and St. Paul for several years. one or two "dockless" bike rental companies want to come into town. The response of the current company is interesting- they are basically going to fold up shop, go way and turn over the business to the new companies, stating "mission accomplished" (the mission having apparetnly been to prove the viablity of the concept. Almost literally not a day goes by that I don't see people riding those bikes around town (except in the winter when they pull the bikes in off the streets). The "Nice Ride" bikes have been astonishingly successful, to me at least, whereas prior programs failed miserably- including programs where there was no cost to the user at all. |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:15:22 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote: whereas prior programs failed miserably- including programs where there was no cost to the user at all. Any program where there is no cost to the user at all is doomed to fail. No feedback. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net |
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Bike Share graveyard
On 2017-11-28 19:27, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:15:22 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: whereas prior programs failed miserably- including programs where there was no cost to the user at all. Any program where there is no cost to the user at all is doomed to fail. Very true. There has to be some cost. Whether it's bike share or bike donations, recipients of goods and services should always pay a reasonable amount. What I saw with some bike share programs in the past were exorbitant rental fees, sometimes per half-hour, and weird drop-off requirements. A more intense usage pattern could almost rival the costs for a rental car. No feedback. You also don't get feedback on programs where users pay but there they won't abuse it. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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