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Old July 27th 07, 09:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 27, 4:23 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message

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in message .net, Tom
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What the hell gives you that idea?


DNA.


Maybe you can explain what DNA is in red blood cells?


dumbass,

maybe you should be an advisor to ullrich.

red cells don't have nuclei but there's enough DNA in blood to do a
match.


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Old July 27th 07, 09:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 27, 4:21 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Is anyone wondering why Vino would resort to something as easily detected
as homologous blood transfusions? Even if he was that stupid, how could
anyone around him not inform him? This is beginning to smell like a French
Drug Testing Laboratory....."


dumbass,

to an observer it seems like after he lost time in the alps he was
desperate and transfused someone else's blood and crossed his fingers.

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Old July 28th 07, 01:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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In article , William Asher
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Kyle Legate wrote:

William Asher wrote:

I think you're blowing smoke. But then, molecular biology isn't my
field.


It's not one of Tom's fields either, that's quite obvious.


Anyway, after thinking about this some more, if you were able to wash the
antigens off, which I doubt you can easily without killing the cells,
couldn't you detect homologous blood doping by an increase in the fraction
of antigen-free RBCs you counted? Or maybe if you detected *any* antigen-
free RBCs that would be evidence of doping?


That would depend on whether you got the Ronco Cell-o-Matic blood washer or some
discount knockoff at the flea market.

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Old July 28th 07, 01:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 27, 4:21 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Is anyone wondering why Vino would resort to something as easily
detected
as homologous blood transfusions? Even if he was that stupid, how could
anyone around him not inform him? This is beginning to smell like a
French
Drug Testing Laboratory....."


to an observer it seems like after he lost time in the alps he was
desperate and transfused someone else's blood and crossed his fingers.


The whole world is as stupid as you are?


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Old July 28th 07, 01:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 27, 4:23 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message

...

in message .net, Tom
Kunich ('cyclintom@yahoo. com') wrote:


What the hell gives you that idea?


DNA.


Maybe you can explain what DNA is in red blood cells?


dumbass,

maybe you should be an advisor to ullrich.

red cells don't have nuclei but there's enough DNA in blood to do a
match.


Maybe you can tell us all about mitochondrial DNA?


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Old July 28th 07, 01:27 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 27, 8:19 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
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On Jul 27, 4:23 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message


...


in message .net, Tom
Kunich ('cyclintom@yahoo. com') wrote:


What the hell gives you that idea?


DNA.


Maybe you can explain what DNA is in red blood cells?


dumbass,


maybe you should be an advisor to ullrich.


red cells don't have nuclei but there's enough DNA in blood to do a
match.


Maybe you can tell us all about mitochondrial DNA?


moron,

i don't know why you waste your time on rbr. ullrich or hamilton would
spend big bucks for your expertise.


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Old July 28th 07, 02:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 27, 8:19 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
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On Jul 27, 4:23 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message


...


in message .net,
Tom
Kunich ('cyclintom@yahoo. com') wrote:


What the hell gives you that idea?


DNA.


Maybe you can explain what DNA is in red blood cells?


dumbass,


maybe you should be an advisor to ullrich.


red cells don't have nuclei but there's enough DNA in blood to do a
match.


Maybe you can tell us all about mitochondrial DNA?


moron,

i don't know why you waste your time on rbr. ullrich or hamilton would
spend big bucks for your expertise.


But here I can learn such things as - mitochondrial DNA is so complete that
you can fingerprint blood with it. You can't use cleaned and concentrated
red blood cells because cleaning them destroys them. You know - all that
highly technical stuff like there wasn't any EPO when LeMond won the Tour in
'89.



 




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