Pantani Question

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:06:21 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:


"benjo maso" wrote in message
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"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
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Perhaps Benjo has this at his fingertips. Does anyone know how much
Pantani weighed when he won the 98 Giro as compared to his weight when he
rode the 2003 Giro?


He weighed 57 kg in 98, and I remember he said in an interview befor the
Giro of 2003 he still had to lose 2 kg. So that makes 59.

Benjo


Thanks. I've been watching the DVD of the 2003 Giro and thought he looked
heavier in the upper body. He climbed pretty well for a hematocrit of 50%.
It's rather sad to watch him knowing what his end was like.

I remember watching the giro on tape this past winter when I was ill,
and had nothing to do but watch tv. SO I watched a lot of videos. It
was just after pantani died, and the giro was sort of poiignant since
it ws pantani's last race. The stage on the zoncolan was particulary
sad in a way. It was obvious pantani was a bit heavier, but he had
been doing really well that season and had really come alive in the
giro. On the zoncolan, it was really something that even with his
weight and the various health problems (that most of us didn't know
about at the time) he came in fifth. I was convinced that if pantani
was in his old form, he'd have flown up that mountain and won. Geez, I
could watch that all again, even if it is sad; it was one of the best
mountain stages I'd ever seen.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:06:30 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:


"Laz" wrote in message
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Pantani has always been an inspiration whenever I take to the hills


Drugged or not, he was a wonderful climber to watch.


I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:06:30 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:


"Laz" wrote in message
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Pantani has always been an inspiration whenever I take to the hills


Drugged or not, he was a wonderful climber to watch.


I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.

From:
Date: 11/7/2004 4:09 PM Eastern

I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.


I really think he could have been the best pure climber of at least a
generation. It's just too bad that wasn't enough.
I think the drugs were to get more and overall wins. Just sad when one of the
great ones thinks he needs a little bit more.
Bill C

From:
Date: 11/7/2004 4:09 PM Eastern

I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.


I really think he could have been the best pure climber of at least a
generation. It's just too bad that wasn't enough.
I think the drugs were to get more and overall wins. Just sad when one of the
great ones thinks he needs a little bit more.
Bill C

On 07 Nov 2004 21:19:25 GMT, (TritonRider) wrote:

From:
Date: 11/7/2004 4:09 PM Eastern

I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.


I really think he could have been the best pure climber of at least a
generation. It's just too bad that wasn't enough.
I think the drugs were to get more and overall wins. Just sad when one of the
great ones thinks he needs a little bit more.
Bill C


What is it about climbers anyways? THere was an article on the BBC
website about pantani and how sometimes these climbers can be really
fragile emotionally, or loners or just odd. Of course, poor Jimenez,
and Luis Ocana, and there was another one, THierry (can't recall his
last name, he was french. I'll look it up)who killed himself. It's
like they're the sensitive artists who can't handle things or cope
with the fame, drugs aside.

Of course, there are plenty who aren't like that as we all know, but
the climbers seem to be more vulnerable. Is it the thin air?

On 07 Nov 2004 21:19:25 GMT, (TritonRider) wrote:

From:
Date: 11/7/2004 4:09 PM Eastern

I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.


I really think he could have been the best pure climber of at least a
generation. It's just too bad that wasn't enough.
I think the drugs were to get more and overall wins. Just sad when one of the
great ones thinks he needs a little bit more.
Bill C


What is it about climbers anyways? THere was an article on the BBC
website about pantani and how sometimes these climbers can be really
fragile emotionally, or loners or just odd. Of course, poor Jimenez,
and Luis Ocana, and there was another one, THierry (can't recall his
last name, he was french. I'll look it up)who killed himself. It's
like they're the sensitive artists who can't handle things or cope
with the fame, drugs aside.

Of course, there are plenty who aren't like that as we all know, but
the climbers seem to be more vulnerable. Is it the thin air?

Les Woodland has an interesting article in the latest ProCycling about the
classic climbers. He points out that guys like Gaul, Bahamontes and Kubler
were essentially climbing with four goats as they had four cog in the back
and later five. Those big jumps, plus not being able to shift out of the
saddle, made for quite a different climbing world.


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On 07 Nov 2004 21:19:25 GMT, (TritonRider) wrote:

From:
Date: 11/7/2004 4:09 PM Eastern

I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.


I really think he could have been the best pure climber of at least a
generation. It's just too bad that wasn't enough.
I think the drugs were to get more and overall wins. Just sad when one of
the
great ones thinks he needs a little bit more.
Bill C


What is it about climbers anyways? THere was an article on the BBC
website about pantani and how sometimes these climbers can be really
fragile emotionally, or loners or just odd. Of course, poor Jimenez,
and Luis Ocana, and there was another one, THierry (can't recall his
last name, he was french. I'll look it up)who killed himself. It's
like they're the sensitive artists who can't handle things or cope
with the fame, drugs aside.

Of course, there are plenty who aren't like that as we all know, but
the climbers seem to be more vulnerable. Is it the thin air?

Les Woodland has an interesting article in the latest ProCycling about the
classic climbers. He points out that guys like Gaul, Bahamontes and Kubler
were essentially climbing with four goats as they had four cog in the back
and later five. Those big jumps, plus not being able to shift out of the
saddle, made for quite a different climbing world.


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On 07 Nov 2004 21:19:25 GMT, (TritonRider) wrote:

From:
Date: 11/7/2004 4:09 PM Eastern

I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.


I really think he could have been the best pure climber of at least a
generation. It's just too bad that wasn't enough.
I think the drugs were to get more and overall wins. Just sad when one of
the
great ones thinks he needs a little bit more.
Bill C


What is it about climbers anyways? THere was an article on the BBC
website about pantani and how sometimes these climbers can be really
fragile emotionally, or loners or just odd. Of course, poor Jimenez,
and Luis Ocana, and there was another one, THierry (can't recall his
last name, he was french. I'll look it up)who killed himself. It's
like they're the sensitive artists who can't handle things or cope
with the fame, drugs aside.

Of course, there are plenty who aren't like that as we all know, but
the climbers seem to be more vulnerable. Is it the thin air?

Make that four "cogs" although the typo has interesting connotations.

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
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Les Woodland has an interesting article in the latest ProCycling about the
classic climbers. He points out that guys like Gaul, Bahamontes and
Kubler were essentially climbing with four goats as they had four cog in
the back and later five. Those big jumps, plus not being able to shift
out of the saddle, made for quite a different climbing world.


wrote in message
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On 07 Nov 2004 21:19:25 GMT, (TritonRider) wrote:

From:
Date: 11/7/2004 4:09 PM Eastern

I remember reading all these tributes on eurosport after his death,
and a lot of people said the same thing. "Whenever I climb a hill, I
try to emulate how you did it." and so on.ANd others said he'd
inspired them to get into cycling after 1998. As for climbing like he
does I don't even bother trying.


I really think he could have been the best pure climber of at least a
generation. It's just too bad that wasn't enough.
I think the drugs were to get more and overall wins. Just sad when one
of the
great ones thinks he needs a little bit more.
Bill C


What is it about climbers anyways? THere was an article on the BBC
website about pantani and how sometimes these climbers can be really
fragile emotionally, or loners or just odd. Of course, poor Jimenez,
and Luis Ocana, and there was another one, THierry (can't recall his
last name, he was french. I'll look it up)who killed himself. It's
like they're the sensitive artists who can't handle things or cope
with the fame, drugs aside.

Of course, there are plenty who aren't like that as we all know, but
the climbers seem to be more vulnerable. Is it the thin air?