I get 3 miles per banana, do you?

This is where my data comes from...

(Specialized catalog)

"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"

And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.

But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...

So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...

"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"

NOTE: This efficiency ratio (30:1) demonstrates that all those wasted
calories go to feed some hungry predators, or corporations wich
capitalize on your lazyness, fear factor and, perhaps, poor arithmetic
skills. For example, when I went to the supermarket this morning I did
two miles or roughly 2/3 of a banana.

We can further rationalize that the banana went to feed some hungry
farmer in Central America, and not some Arab sheik. Of course, a
hungry farmer often ends up coming to America. Think about it.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A jungle perspective on nonviolence: a violent struggle by the weak
against the predator needs secrecy, nonviolent struggle though has
been used by the monkeys for ages: MAKING NOISE.

http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
...
This is where my data comes from...

(Specialized catalog)

"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"

And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.

But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...

So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...

"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"



You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as
well.


--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

On Mar 23, 10:03*am, "Simon Mason"
wrote:
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message

...





This is where my data comes from...

(Specialized catalog)

"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"

And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.

But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...

So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...

"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"

You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as
well.

--
Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybe it came by sailing ship.

I think boating can easily go energy free. Zero calories.

On Mar 23, 12:48*pm, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
On Mar 23, 10:03*am, "Simon Mason"
wrote:





"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message

....

This is where my data comes from...

(Specialized catalog)

"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"

And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.

But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...

So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...

"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"

You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as
well.

--
Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybe it came by sailing ship.

I think boating can easily go energy free. Zero calories.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And I should add that shipping would work against cars since most of
the oil comes from the Middle East/Africa.

Anyway, calories can come from local sources like corn. I like it corn-
on-the-cob.

In article ,
"Simon Mason" wrote:

"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
...
This is where my data comes from...

(Specialized catalog)

"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"

And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.

But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...

So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...

"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"



You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as
well.

I once calculated it for watermelons, and it takes about a third of a
litre of diesel to move a watermelon across the Pacific Ocean. I believe
rail transport is even more fuel-efficient.

http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2008/0...-not-want-not/

Yes, it is easily possible to use more gas getting fruit from the store
to your house than it took to get it from the field to the produce
aisle. That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

"Ryan Cousineau" .(clip) That this isn't an obvious result is a bit
surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By the same token, the average shopper spends far more for groceries than
for the gasoline to get them home. Fuel costs are minor compared to food
cost, so how can we assume the truckers and shippers are spending less than
we are?

In article ,
"Leo Lichtman" wrote:

"Ryan Cousineau" .(clip) That this isn't an obvious result is a bit
surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By the same token, the average shopper spends far more for groceries than
for the gasoline to get them home. Fuel costs are minor compared to food
cost, so how can we assume the truckers and shippers are spending less than
we are?

Well, not less, and yes, you've found a hole in my argument (namely,
that people rarely buy groceries at the rate of one item per
store-visit).

That said, truckers and shippers make it up in volume. I don't think
most people apprehend what the cargo capacities we're talking about are
like:

Honda Element: 25 cubic feet (75 if you remove the back seats)
40' container: 2385 cu. ft
Container ship: 8,500,000 cubic feet (figuring about 7,000 TEU**, which
is a big ship, but the biggest are now clearing 15,000 TEU)


*the Element motor has 160 hp; a Cat C13 diesel engine gets by with
350-530, albeit with four-figure torque.

**Twenty-foot Equivalent Units. The most common modern container is 40'
long: a 2-TEU container.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On Mar 24, 11:13*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article ,
*"Leo Lichtman" wrote:

"Ryan Cousineau" .(clip) That this isn't an obvious result is a bit
surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By the same token, the average shopper spends far more for groceries *than
for the gasoline to get them home. *Fuel costs are minor compared to food
cost, so how can we assume the truckers and shippers are spending less than
we are?

Well, not less, and yes, you've found a hole in my argument (namely,
that people rarely buy groceries at the rate of one item per
store-visit).

That said, truckers and shippers make it up in volume. I don't think
most people apprehend what the cargo capacities we're talking about are
like:

Honda Element: 25 cubic feet (75 if you remove the back seats)
40' container: 2385 cu. ft
Container ship: 8,500,000 cubic feet (figuring about 7,000 TEU**, which
is a big ship, but the biggest are now clearing 15,000 TEU)

*the Element motor has 160 hp; a Cat C13 diesel engine gets by with
350-530, albeit with four-figure torque.

**Twenty-foot Equivalent Units. The most common modern container is 40'
long: a 2-TEU container.

--
Ryan Cousineau /
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

A few random comments:

- The Honda Element would do well to handle 500 pounds of groceries
and lucky to get 40mpg doing so. A typical over road truck is capable
of carrying loads in excess of 50,000 lbs and can get well over 6mpg
doing it. This means the element is getting 4 ton-miles/gallon while
the truck is getting about 150 ton-miles per gallon.

- Assume that our cyclist is transporting 200lbs of Bananas and as
someone suggested, gets the equivalent of 900 mpg. Ignoring the fact
that a cycliist hauling 200lbs of Bananas is going to be considerably
less efficient, this works out to about 90 ton-miles/gallon. So, if
you want to transport your bananas from South America to the your
marketplace, clearly a truck is the more efficient method. Rail and
Ships are considerably more efficient.

- Those Honda Horses, they pretty much in someones head, ask that
motor to actually put out 160hp for a moment, oh one probably did it
for a moment or two on a test stand somewhere before it exploded.
Those Caterpillar Horses, they are right there and real... The run in
for a Cummins diesel used to be an hour on a Dyno... The spec was
that if the engine had to produce at least 96% of the rated power for
15 minutes, otherwise it needed fixin'...

Oh well...

Jon

In article ],
Ryan Cousineau writes:
In article ,
"Simon Mason" wrote:

"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
...
This is where my data comes from...

(Specialized catalog)

"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"

And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.

But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...

So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...

"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"



You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as
well.

I once calculated it for watermelons, and it takes about a third of a
litre of diesel to move a watermelon across the Pacific Ocean. I believe
rail transport is even more fuel-efficient.

http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2008/0...-not-want-not/

Yes, it is easily possible to use more gas getting fruit from the store
to your house than it took to get it from the field to the produce
aisle. That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail.

But you must remember, goods movement is highly
inter-modal. Those watermelons going across the
Pacific Ocean have to be offloaded by motorized
cranes, and moved around by all kinds of motorized
vehicles before they ultimately end up in the
supermarket or green grocer's. And then ports
generally have a bunch of security personnel,
supervisors and other staff driving around.

Import/export demands a lot of fuel & energy,
but those costs are mitigated by volume.
Some of that mitigation can be lost via storage
fees when goods can't be immediately transported
because the destinations don't have enough room
to receive it. Juggling lead-time/lag-time can
be a Black Art.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

On Mar 24, 12:16*am, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article ],
* * * * Ryan Cousineau writes:





In article ,
*"Simon Mason" wrote:

"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
....
This is where my data comes from...

(Specialized catalog)

"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"

And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.

But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...

So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...

"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"

You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as
well.

I once calculated it for watermelons, and it takes about a third of a
litre of diesel to move a watermelon across the Pacific Ocean. I believe
rail transport is even more fuel-efficient.

http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2008/0...-not-want-not/

Yes, it is easily possible to use more gas getting fruit from the store
to your house than it took to get it from the field to the produce
aisle. That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail.

But you must remember, goods movement is highly
inter-modal. *Those watermelons going across the
Pacific Ocean have to be offloaded by motorized
cranes, and moved around by all kinds of motorized
vehicles before they ultimately end up in the
supermarket or green grocer's. *And then ports
generally have a bunch of security personnel,
supervisors and other staff driving around.

I think both moving a 5 ton SUV to the supermarket and shipping a
watermelon from foreign lands is wasteful, and directly responsible
for Climate Change, a stupid foreign policy in the Middle East, as
well as starving the local farmers, among other evils.

The slogan may just be, "Buy locally, Bike Locally"...

"How are you currently involved in the Transition movement?
I buy locally, bike locally a lot and grow a few of my own veggies."

http://transitioncalifornia.ning.com/profile/MaryEister

OK, here's a T-shirt...

http://www.zazzle.com/buy_locallybik...15481131281264