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Old May 6th 18, 01:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default What mode of transport is available to banned drivers?

Having lost your LICENCE to operate a motor car, how do these thousands
of *not* law abiding motorists per annum get about? Do they suddenly
acquire chauffeurs, use public transport or call themselves cyclists?
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Old May 6th 18, 02:21 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 06/05/2018 13:50, colwyn wrote:

Having lost your LICENCE to operate a motor car, how do these thousands
of *not* law abiding motorists per annum get about? Do they suddenly
acquire chauffeurs, use public transport or call themselves cyclists?


I have been driving for 47 years (46 as a full licence holder).

I literally have never known anyone who was disqualified from driving.

Nevertheless, I understand that it happens a lot, and it is, I suppose,
possible that some acquaintances, colleagues, etc, had been disqualified
but simply didn't mention it. It therefore seems obvious that I cannot
provide the answer you wanted, whatever it was.

But people who cannot / are prevented from / can't afford to / do not
wish to drive have a range of alternatives, most of which you have
mentioned. One you didn't mention was walking (good for short
distances). Another was abstaining from travel to a very large extent,
which is essentially how I recall my life being 47 years ago, lived
within a very narrow compass with a radius of just a few miles from home
within a city, except on special occasions. Everything was within
relatively easy reach. Even the hospital was just down the road. But it
was limiting.
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Old May 6th 18, 02:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 1:50:33 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
Having lost your LICENCE to operate a motor car, how do these thousands
of *not* law abiding motorists per annum get about? Do they suddenly
acquire chauffeurs, use public transport or call themselves cyclists?


I worked at a place with ~1000 men and a few had been banned for drink driving.
Many got their wives or shiftmates to drive them in for the (usually) year of the ban.

Of course, I cycled to work and so was not subject to these laws:

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows, child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse, amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles, underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight limit, ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having control of your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night, no in date photo licence, no licence application after long ban, without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space.
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Old May 6th 18, 03:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 06/05/2018 14:40, wrote:


On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 1:50:33 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:

Having lost your LICENCE to operate a motor car, how do these thousands
of *not* law abiding motorists per annum get about? Do they suddenly
acquire chauffeurs, use public transport or call themselves cyclists?


I worked at a place with ~1000 men and a few had been banned for drink driving.
Many got their wives or shiftmates to drive them in for the (usually) year of the ban.

Of course, I cycled to work and so was not subject to these laws:

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows, child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse, amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles, underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight limit, ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having control of your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night, no in date photo licence, no licence application after long ban, without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space.


You seem to suggest that cyclists are not subject to law on:

(a) cycling while drunk,
(b) with defective tyres,
(c) with defective brakes,
(d) with defective or absent front and rear lights,
(e) cycling the wrong way in a one-way street,
(f) failing to stop at a red traffic light,
(g) causing death by reckless/careless/criminal/whatever cycling,
(h) fraudulent insurance claims,
(i) ignoring "No Entry" signs,
(j) failing to stop when required to do so by a police office,
(k) failing to stop when required to do so by a school crossing warden,
(l) failing to accord precedence to pedestrians on a zebra crossing.

Every one of those suggestions is incorrect, meaning that the basic
premise contained within your post is wrong.
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Old May 6th 18, 03:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 06/05/2018 15:01, JNugent wrote:
On 06/05/2018 14:40, wrote:

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 1:50:33 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
Having lost your LICENCE to operate a motor car, how do these thousands
of *not* law abiding motorists per annum get about? Do they suddenly
acquire chauffeurs, use public transport or call themselves cyclists?


I worked at a place with ~1000 men and a few had been banned for drink
driving.
Many got their wives or shiftmates to drive them in for the (usually)
year of the ban.

Of course, I cycled to work and so was not subject to these laws:

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig
zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by
inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no
car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking
on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed
monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light
abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows,
child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse,
amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction
abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from
exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles,
underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight limit,
ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having control of
your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night, no in date
photo licence, no licence application after long ban, without
prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for police/lollipop/zebra etc -
ran out of space.


You seem to suggest that cyclists are not subject to law on:

(a) cycling while drunk,
(b) with defective tyres,
(c) with defective brakes,
(d) with defective or absent front and rear lights,
(e) cycling the wrong way in a one-way street,
(f) failing to stop at a red traffic light,
(g) causing death by reckless/careless/criminal/whatever cycling,
(h) fraudulent insurance claims,
(i) ignoring "No Entry" signs,
(j) failing to stop when required to do so by a police office,
(k) failing to stop when required to do so by a school crossing warden,
(l) failing to accord precedence to pedestrians on a zebra crossing.

Every one of those suggestions is incorrect, meaning that the¬* basic
premise contained within your post is wrong.


Which law or laws are you referring to? I didn't know there was a law on
tyres, for example, or the legal need for lights in the daytime.

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Old May 6th 18, 03:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 06/05/2018 15:13, RJH wrote:
On 06/05/2018 15:01, JNugent wrote:
On 06/05/2018 14:40, wrote:

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 1:50:33 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
Having lost your LICENCE to operate a motor car, how do these thousands
of *not* law abiding motorists per annum get about? Do they suddenly
acquire chauffeurs, use public transport or call themselves cyclists?

I worked at a place with ~1000 men and a few had been banned for
drink driving.
Many got their wives or shiftmates to drive them in for the (usually)
year of the ban.

Of course, I cycled to work and so was not subject to these laws:

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig
zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by
inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no
car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking
on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed
monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light
abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted
windows, child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way
street abuse, amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane
abuse, box junction abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke
and noise from exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash
fiddles, underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight
limit, ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having
control of your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night,
no in date photo licence, no licence application after long ban,
without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for police/lollipop/zebra
etc - ran out of space.


You seem to suggest that cyclists are not subject to law on:

(a) cycling while drunk,
(b) with defective tyres,
(c) with defective brakes,
(d) with defective or absent front and rear lights,
(e) cycling the wrong way in a one-way street,
(f) failing to stop at a red traffic light,
(g) causing death by reckless/careless/criminal/whatever cycling,
(h) fraudulent insurance claims,
(i) ignoring "No Entry" signs,
(j) failing to stop when required to do so by a police office,
(k) failing to stop when required to do so by a school crossing warden,
(l) failing to accord precedence to pedestrians on a zebra crossing.

Every one of those suggestions is incorrect, meaning that the¬* basic
premise contained within your post is wrong.


Which law or laws are you referring to? I didn't know there was a law on
tyres, for example, or the legal need for lights in the daytime.


Cycling Construction and Use Regulations?

But you may be right about there being no requirement for bicycle tyres
to be in a safe condition. Still, one might have supposed a diligent
cyclist to be more than prepared to use safe, non-defective tyres, as a
given.

But perhaps it was too much to expect.
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Old May 6th 18, 07:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 3:13:05 PM UTC+1, RJH wrote:


Which law or laws are you referring to? I didn't know there was a law on
tyres, for example, or the legal need for lights in the daytime.


There isn't. Also, the cops are often clueless on the drinking laws.
Plod have often illegally forced a breath tester into a cyclist's mouth and in court risked being done for assault about the person.
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Old May 7th 18, 10:47 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 06/05/2018 15:33, JNugent wrote:
On 06/05/2018 15:13, RJH wrote:
On 06/05/2018 15:01, JNugent wrote:
On 06/05/2018 14:40, wrote:

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 1:50:33 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
Having lost your LICENCE to operate a motor car, how do these
thousands
of *not* law abiding motorists per annum get about? Do they suddenly
acquire chauffeurs, use public transport or call themselves cyclists?

I worked at a place with ~1000 men and a few had been banned for
drink driving.
Many got their wives or shiftmates to drive them in for the
(usually) year of the ban.

Of course, I cycled to work and so was not subject to these laws:

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig
zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by
inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with
no car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates,
overtaking on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one
eyed monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog
light abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted
windows, child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way
street abuse, amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane
abuse, box junction abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke
and noise from exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash
fiddles, underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight
limit, ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having
control of your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night,
no in date photo licence, no licence application after long ban,
without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for
police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space.

You seem to suggest that cyclists are not subject to law on:

(a) cycling while drunk,
(b) with defective tyres,
(c) with defective brakes,
(d) with defective or absent front and rear lights,
(e) cycling the wrong way in a one-way street,
(f) failing to stop at a red traffic light,
(g) causing death by reckless/careless/criminal/whatever cycling,
(h) fraudulent insurance claims,
(i) ignoring "No Entry" signs,
(j) failing to stop when required to do so by a police office,
(k) failing to stop when required to do so by a school crossing warden,
(l) failing to accord precedence to pedestrians on a zebra crossing.

Every one of those suggestions is incorrect, meaning that the¬* basic
premise contained within your post is wrong.


Which law or laws are you referring to? I didn't know there was a law
on tyres, for example, or the legal need for lights in the daytime.


Cycling Construction and Use Regulations?


Well yes - but that's more to do with manufacturers.

I had noticed that a non-UK bike supplier adds the 'swap the brake
levers round to comply with UK regs' coda to their online bike sales.
EU-madness obviously hadn't got round to that one ;-)

But you may be right about there being no requirement for bicycle tyres
to be in a safe condition. Still, one might have supposed a diligent
cyclist to be more than prepared to use safe, non-defective tyres, as a
given.


You would hope.

But perhaps it was too much to expect.


Like most things, if they don't regulate and enforce, some people will
always try to get away with what they can.


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Cheers, Rob
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Old May 7th 18, 03:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 10:47:44 AM UTC+1, RJH wrote:


Like most things, if they don't regulate and enforce, some people will
always try to get away with what they can.


Like with safety cameras and double yellow lines?
Oh, hang on!
 




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