Saddle sore solutions?

On 2018-08-01 06:56, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2018 11:39 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:41:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/30/2018 11:20 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
The point isn’t to get anyone to stand for their entire ride. I can’t
even pretend I’d be able to do that. The point is to just get them to
think about *everything* that could be making bike riding less fun than
it could be. It might make a world of difference to go from putting
100% of your weight on your butt to 90% or 80% or whatever. Or,
really,
just exercising the *option* to stand from time to time. Too many
people seem to think they’re just supposed to park their ass in the
seat
and then put in the minimal amount of effort needed to make the pedals
go around. That’s certainly *a* way to ride a bike, but it is
unquestionably going to be a different experience from those who are
really pushing the bike to make it go faster.

Regarding standing from time to time: Back in the 1970s when I was just
beginning to ride avidly, I had lots of trouble getting comfortable on
the saddle. One friend who worked in a bike shop said "You need to
post."

I asked "What's that?" and he replied "Stand up from time to time, like
a jockey does on a horse." I've never heard the word "post" used that
way, but I began doing it from time to time, and it definitely helps.

My wife has been having a little saddle discomfort on our tandem. After
a couple hours in the saddle, she asks if she can stand on some
downhills. It seems to help her.


Post isn't just standing from time to time, it is standing about half
the time. When a horse trots it is a very short pace and at a much
quicker interval then any other gate so what one does is (sort of)
stand up on (say) the odd step and sits down on the even. Which
smooth's things out considerably.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thpmgolDsbQ

Ah, I learned something. Thanks!


Yes, me too, thanks John.

That would mean MTB riders post all the time. Even on a full suspension
bike it is customary not to remain in the seat on gnarly sections, not
to let the frame take all the punishing blows. I also do that on
potholed or otherwise barely rideable roads on the road bike. Have to,
because of lower back issues.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:29:10 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:04:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
(...)
If that's not good enough, perhaps a toilet seat (inspired) bicycle
saddle?
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20051011/toilet-seat-inspires-bicyclists-big-idea
https://www.ismseat.com

Ever tried pedaling a toilet seat?

No, but it looks like someone is trying to do so:
https://inhabitat.com/get-your-own-functioning-toilet-tricycle-on-craigslist/

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 08:04:40 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-08-01 06:56, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2018 11:39 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:41:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/30/2018 11:20 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
The point isn’t to get anyone to stand for their entire ride. I can’t
even pretend I’d be able to do that. The point is to just get them to
think about *everything* that could be making bike riding less fun than
it could be. It might make a world of difference to go from putting
100% of your weight on your butt to 90% or 80% or whatever. Or,
really,
just exercising the *option* to stand from time to time. Too many
people seem to think they’re just supposed to park their ass in the
seat
and then put in the minimal amount of effort needed to make the pedals
go around. That’s certainly *a* way to ride a bike, but it is
unquestionably going to be a different experience from those who are
really pushing the bike to make it go faster.

Regarding standing from time to time: Back in the 1970s when I was just
beginning to ride avidly, I had lots of trouble getting comfortable on
the saddle. One friend who worked in a bike shop said "You need to
post."

I asked "What's that?" and he replied "Stand up from time to time, like
a jockey does on a horse." I've never heard the word "post" used that
way, but I began doing it from time to time, and it definitely helps.

My wife has been having a little saddle discomfort on our tandem. After
a couple hours in the saddle, she asks if she can stand on some
downhills. It seems to help her.


Post isn't just standing from time to time, it is standing about half
the time. When a horse trots it is a very short pace and at a much
quicker interval then any other gate so what one does is (sort of)
stand up on (say) the odd step and sits down on the even. Which
smooth's things out considerably.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thpmgolDsbQ

Ah, I learned something. Thanks!


Yes, me too, thanks John.

That would mean MTB riders post all the time. Even on a full suspension
bike it is customary not to remain in the seat on gnarly sections, not
to let the frame take all the punishing blows. I also do that on
potholed or otherwise barely rideable roads on the road bike. Have to,
because of lower back issues.

I think that trying to use terms from one activity to describe actions
in another may be a bit confusing.

For example what you describe MTB riders doing sounds much more like a
jockey's crouched position. A horse's back goes up and down several
inches with every stride at a gallop. The jockey attempts, by using
his legs, to keep his body weight at a constant height. If a horse has
to lift a jock's weight 6 inches every step it costs considerable more
energy then if the body weight stays at a constant level.

See
https://www.rvc.ac.uk/research/resea...e-racing-times
https://www.timeform.com/horse-racin...d-epfs--362016
for probably more information then you want :-)

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:19:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:29:10 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:04:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
(...)
If that's not good enough, perhaps a toilet seat (inspired) bicycle
saddle?
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20051011/toilet-seat-inspires-bicyclists-big-idea
https://www.ismseat.com

Ever tried pedaling a toilet seat?

No, but it looks like someone is trying to do so:
https://inhabitat.com/get-your-own-functioning-toilet-tricycle-on-craigslist/

It would be interesting to learn how that toilet works given that the
waste outlet opening is totally blocked off by a plate on the bottom
:"-)

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 00:37:19 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:19:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:29:10 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:04:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
(...)
If that's not good enough, perhaps a toilet seat (inspired) bicycle
saddle?
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20051011/toilet-seat-inspires-bicyclists-big-idea
https://www.ismseat.com

Ever tried pedaling a toilet seat?

No, but it looks like someone is trying to do so:
https://inhabitat.com/get-your-own-functioning-toilet-tricycle-on-craigslist/

It would be interesting to learn how that toilet works given that the
waste outlet opening is totally blocked off by a plate on the bottom
:"-)

I think it's a fair assumption that the toilet tricycle features a
non-functional toilet. But, if you insist...

I had some experience with a non-flushing home toilet. My septic tank
lid decided to collapse in about 2009. During the reconstruction and
repair, the drains in the house were not usable. Buckets under the
kitchen and bathroom sinks were easy enough, but the toilet as a bit
of a mess. So, I dug out my camping toilet, bought a supply of bags,
https://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Products-Double-Doodie-Toilet/dp/B07CH1GFXP/
and installed the bags on a home made wire frame just under the toilet
seat. I collected the waste bags (outside) until the yech could be
properly flushed. I also had something similar on various sailboats
and campers that I've used over the years. I presume this system is
usable on a tricycle powered toilet.




--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 12:02:07 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 00:37:19 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:19:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:29:10 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:04:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
(...)
If that's not good enough, perhaps a toilet seat (inspired) bicycle
saddle?
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20051011/toilet-seat-inspires-bicyclists-big-idea
https://www.ismseat.com

Ever tried pedaling a toilet seat?

No, but it looks like someone is trying to do so:
https://inhabitat.com/get-your-own-functioning-toilet-tricycle-on-craigslist/

It would be interesting to learn how that toilet works given that the
waste outlet opening is totally blocked off by a plate on the bottom
:"-)

I think it's a fair assumption that the toilet tricycle features a
non-functional toilet. But, if you insist...

I had some experience with a non-flushing home toilet. My septic tank
lid decided to collapse in about 2009. During the reconstruction and
repair, the drains in the house were not usable. Buckets under the
kitchen and bathroom sinks were easy enough, but the toilet as a bit
of a mess. So, I dug out my camping toilet, bought a supply of bags,
https://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Products-Double-Doodie-Toilet/dp/B07CH1GFXP/
and installed the bags on a home made wire frame just under the toilet
seat. I collected the waste bags (outside) until the yech could be
properly flushed. I also had something similar on various sailboats
and campers that I've used over the years. I presume this system is
usable on a tricycle powered toilet.


Well, back in the day we just dug a hole in the ground and erected a
seat over it, but that wouldn't work well with blacktop roads :-)
..

On 02/08/18 01:35, Joerg wrote:

snip

It's about saddle sores. Those tend to develop after tens of miles, not
after 200 yeards.

Yeards! I like that, we need a definition. A sort of cross between
distance and time. Looks like beards, nerds maybe...

The distance or time it takes a saddle to breakin your arse?

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:55:34 PM UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. Slocomb wrote:
Snipped
The last time I changed saddles on my "Phuket Road Bike" I was
completely happy with things by the time I got 10 miles down the road..



I think it can be a little more subtle than you make it out to be. I bought
a new seat which seemed just great for 10-20 km rides, but after four days
of 80-100 km, I realized that this saddle just didn't quite work.


A few years ago my lower back would get really sore after about 50 - 60 miles of riding. One day I stopped and adjusted the tilt of the saddle upward just a smidgen and that took care of all the problems and I was able to do rides of 100 miles and more per day. It's surprising sometimes what a very small adjustment can do in terms of riding comfort.

Cheers

On 02/08/2018 10:24 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:55:34 PM UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. Slocomb wrote:
Snipped
The last time I changed saddles on my "Phuket Road Bike" I was
completely happy with things by the time I got 10 miles down the road.



I think it can be a little more subtle than you make it out to be. I bought
a new seat which seemed just great for 10-20 km rides, but after four days
of 80-100 km, I realized that this saddle just didn't quite work.


A few years ago my lower back would get really sore after about 50 - 60 miles of riding. One day I stopped and adjusted the tilt of the saddle upward just a smidgen and that took care of all the problems and I was able to do rides of 100 miles and more per day. It's surprising sometimes what a very small adjustment can do in terms of riding comfort.

Cheers

+1

It can work the opposite way as well. A friend raised his seat a couple
cm and after 100k ride had knee issues.

On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 7:25:00 AM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:55:34 PM UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. Slocomb wrote:
Snipped
The last time I changed saddles on my "Phuket Road Bike" I was
completely happy with things by the time I got 10 miles down the road.



I think it can be a little more subtle than you make it out to be. I bought
a new seat which seemed just great for 10-20 km rides, but after four days
of 80-100 km, I realized that this saddle just didn't quite work.


A few years ago my lower back would get really sore after about 50 - 60 miles of riding. One day I stopped and adjusted the tilt of the saddle upward just a smidgen and that took care of all the problems and I was able to do rides of 100 miles and more per day. It's surprising sometimes what a very small adjustment can do in terms of riding comfort.

Cheers

Which is a good reason for getting a seatpost that allows a small tilt adjustment, like the Thompson two bolt or similar designs. Specialized and Trek are spec'ing proprietary posts with the never-popular single side bolt, which always go floppy on me before I can make a minor adjustment, and a 10-12nm torque spec' is pretty tight for a pocket tool on the fly. You can make an adjustment on the road then hit a hard bump and lose your tilt adjustment.

-- Jay Beattie.