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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote: Yeah, it's possible someone's on a steel bike. I doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised. Regardless of surprise, you're still wrong. |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote: On a slightly related note, I can tell you that there are plenty of riders using carbon fiber bikes that were NOT made by their sponsor. e.g. Gerolsteiner's TT bikes aren't not Specialized bikes, but the decals sure read "Specialized". Yeah, it's possible someone's on a steel bike. I doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised. Also, just to cement my arrogance, if you *should* be surprised if that was true. Extremely surprised. There is zero reason any rider in the Tour of France should be a on a steel frame and many reasons (both economic, performance and logistical they should not). You should be shocked. |
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On Jul 10, 9:54*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote: On a slightly related note, I can tell you that there are plenty of riders using carbon fiber bikes that were NOT made by their sponsor. e.g. *Gerolsteiner's TT bikes aren't not Specialized bikes, but the decals sure read "Specialized". Yeah, it's possible someone's on a steel bike. *I doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised. Also, just to cement my arrogance, if you *should* be surprised if that was true. Extremely surprised. *There is zero reason any rider in the Tour of France should be a on a steel frame and many reasons (both economic, performance and logistical they should not). You should be shocked. Really, you don't think that even a single rider in the field may actually prefer a steel frame to a carbon fiber frame? And that rider (should one exist) may be able to get that steel frame for free from the builder? It's been done before many, many times by lots of riders. No reason to definitively conclude that it is not going on now. |
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Scott schreef:
Really, you don't think that even a single rider in the field may actually prefer a steel frame to a carbon fiber frame? I don't. |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
There is zero reason any rider in the Tour of France should be a on a steel frame and many reasons (both economic, performance and logistical they should not). Agreed. They're all way too young to be retro-grouches. Bret |
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On Jul 10, 10:01*am, Ted van de Weteringe
wrote: Scott schreef: Really, you don't think that even a single rider in the field may actually prefer a steel frame to a carbon fiber frame? I don't. Cool. We know your opinion now. Thanks. I don't share your opinion. I've ridden numerous carbon fiber framesets, and with the exception of ONE, I've preferred a good steel frameset to each of them. For most of them, I've ridden them only because I'd already had a bunch of money sunk into them and they weren't so bad as to be unbearable. All in all, given the choice of the typical off-the-shelf carbon fiber frame vs a custom steel frame, both provided for free (which is how it would work with a TdF rider), I'd go with the custom steel. I can not bring myself to definitively declare without asking each and every one of them that there are no TdF riders who wouldn't prefer steel. |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote: On Jul 10, 9:54*am, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote: On a slightly related note, I can tell you that there are plenty of riders using carbon fiber bikes that were NOT made by their sponsor. e.g. *Gerolsteiner's TT bikes aren't not Specialized bikes, but the decals sure read "Specialized". Yeah, it's possible someone's on a steel bike. *I doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised. Also, just to cement my arrogance, if you *should* be surprised if that was true. Extremely surprised. *There is zero reason any rider in the Tour of France should be a on a steel frame and many reasons (both economic, performance and logistical they should not). You should be shocked. Really, you don't think that even a single rider in the field may actually prefer a steel frame to a carbon fiber frame? And that rider (should one exist) may be able to get that steel frame for free from the builder? It's been done before many, many times by lots of riders. What's been done? No reason to definitively conclude that it is not going on now. Let's talk epistomology. I can't prove a negative here and I won't ask you to prove a positive, since you merely said you "wouldnt' be suprised." I'll assume wouldnt' be surprised means there's a 1 in 10 or many a 1 in 100 or even a 1 in 1000 chance of it happenning. I'm saying the chance is far, far less than ever the most generous odds above. Far less than 1 in 1000. Orders of magnitude less. Now, if something that has a 1 in, say, 10,000 or 1 in a million chance of happening happens, among 200 riders, you wouldn't be surprised? Wow. And here's a surrogate. Find a single example of a pro tour or continental level pro team using a steel frame in any UCI-level race in Europe. Try it. Can you find even one? |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:13:12 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote: I can not bring myself to definitively declare without asking each and every one of them that there are no TdF riders who wouldn't prefer steel. Do you use that standard of certainty in other aspects of life? If you lack that standard of certainty, does whatever happens "not surprise you." Wow, you're not easily surprised. |
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On Jul 10, 9:05*am, Bret Wade wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: There is zero reason any rider in the Tour of France should be a on a steel frame and many reasons (both economic, performance and logistical they should not). Agreed. They're all way too young to be retro-grouches. Remember when Mercury/Viatel hired all those Europros and made a big push (just before imploding)? Their bike sponsor was Lemond and they had steel bikes, I think this was before Lemond Bikes got into the aluminum and Dr. Moreau-half-and-half frames. Anyway, as Mercury began to implode, I remember an interview in which one of the Eurodogs was bitching about the backwardness of having to ride steel frames, as if it was a short step from that to having to sling your own tubulars over your shoulder. Ben I like steel fine, but I'm not a Europro |
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On Jul 10, 1:06*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:13:12 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote: I can not bring myself to definitively declare without asking each and every one of them that there are no TdF riders who wouldn't prefer steel. Do you use that standard of certainty in other aspects of life? If you lack that standard of certainty, does whatever happens "not surprise you." Wow, you're not easily surprised. Regardless of your incessant babbling, you know a lot less than you think you do. |
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