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How Do These Airborne Specs Look?
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:44:12 GMT, "Bill Sornson"
wrote: NYC XYZ wrote: {whole buncha snippage} I totally agree. Thing is, $1,200 for this bike is quite a deal! I'm sure I'll fit...I've always bought pre-built bikes, and they've never felt totally comfortable, whatever that means when it comes to bicycling. Have you ever been fit to a bike? Giving up now, BS Bill, he kind of reminds me of early Maggie, without the charm. This guy is so full of preconceived ideas, that it will take a miracle to get through to him. For the OP, go to a LBS and get a professional fitting, bicycles can be comfortable. Overly padded bike saddles are generally not comfortable on longer rides. Another thing, two brands of bike with the same size listing, may be very different. Geometry and where they measure, affects this. Maybe some background would help. What is your age and level of fitness? How often do you ride? Do you wear padded bicycle shorts? Where are you located? Life is Good! Jeff |
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But the Brooks B17?? Looks like any ol' saddle!
You mean the Serfas RX doesn't look comfy to you?? , Those cushy saddles are fine for round the corner rides and such but for longer rides you need to support the sit bones . Check out www.mtbr.com and look at B17 reviews. There are no better saddles at least for my butt. Proper sizing is crucial. If you know what size you need then mail order is great. |
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On 23 Jul 2005 06:16:37 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
wrote: Decent shorts? See, this is the thing -- I do look like an average rider, the sort that doesn't wear the spandex and jerseys and helmets (oops) and carry water bottles.... What do you have against water bottles? How are you going to ride 50+ miles, at a fast pace, and not drink any liquids? You are asking questions, but then debating or dismissing the answers. You don't like being numb in the crotch? Padded shorts might help that. Saddles are a personal thing, with certain general rules of thumb. You need a saddle that lines up with your sit bones, one that is comfortable for you. I went through four different saddles, before I settled on a Selle Italia Prolink basic. I really don't understand your reluctance to work with a LBS. They have to ask questions to understand your needs, and they are going to try to clear up your misconceptions, which would be no easy job. If you buy a bike online, without at least getting a pro fit and then assistance in fitting the new bike, you will continue to be uncomfortable. Life is Good! Jeff |
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"NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... Gooserider wrote: Aluminum can be SCARY light, and steel isn't 5-10 pounds heavier. Try 1-2 pounds. So what's generally lighter, all other things (frame geometry, etc.) being equal -- ti, carbon fiber, aluminum, or quality steel? I'm sure you couldn't stand to lose 5 pounds off your body, right? Hehehe...5'11" and 230 lbs. -- I was statistically overweight for my age and height even at my best shape of 185 lbs.! Then you shouldn't be worrying so much about frame material and a couple of pounds on the bike. If you want to be comfortable, frame material is the least of your concern. Well, part of comfort for me would be not carrying so many pounds, whether portaging over stairs or climbing long New Jersey hills! Comfort is more about position and fit on the bike. Comfort is cumulative. Tire size and frame geometry have far more to do with it. Frame geometry affects weight?? No, but it definitely affects comfort. An upright position with less weight on the hands makes a huge difference. That being said, don't you wonder why so many touring bikes are STEEL? :-) LOL -- didn't know they were! I'd say the majority are. There are some aluminum(Cannondale comes to mind) and some Ti(Airborne, Lightspeed), but most are steel. |
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23 Jul 2005 06:29:31 -0700,
. com, "NYC XYZ" wrote: Mark is a regular poster here and a nice guy, but don't talk politics with him. LOL -- politics? That's interesting...the bike advocacy orgs here in NYC seem pretty left-of-center! It's okay to talk politics with Mark as long as you're nuts enough to agree with him. -- zk |
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How Do These Airborne Specs Look?
"NYC XYZ" wrote in message ups.com... Gooserider wrote: The problem with buying Chinese goods is the very real possibility that doing so supports our enemy.War with China over Taiwan is not out of the question. Of course, the other school of thought counters that this is precisely why you must keep 'em engaged through trade. As their economy becomes ever more dependent on foreign trade, etc., war becomes more and more "impractical"...if Nixon hadn't gone to China, China might be just another North Korea now. Or, the Chinese will continue to pour massive amounts of money into their military, strengthening them for the eventual takeover of Taiwan. That is the more likely scenario. The Chinese have a horrible human rights record, you know. So do many US allies. That doesn't stop us from buying Saudi oil, etc. There are alternatives to buying Chinese bicycles. Saudi oil, not so much. At least not now. That's why I drive a car which gets excellent mileage, and commute by bicycle 4 days/week. The cartels aren't getting rich off me. People there are routinely put in re-education camps, undergo forced sterilization, are placed in forced labor camps, and face other such horrible acts. I totally agree. I just don't think that I can have any more effect on those issues than the US government, which has very limited effect on issues it considers even more important. But you can do the right thing. I'll bet you wouldn't buy a shampoo you knew was tested by being squirted in puppy's eyes(hypothetical, of course). Why you wouldn't have a problem buying a bicycle made in a country whose government routinely does worse things to people is beyond me. Every dollar you spend on Chinese goods goes to strengthen them both economically and militarily. I would no more buy Chinese goods than I would buy conflict diamonds. Conflict diamonds? What are these, please? http://www.un.org/peace/africa/Diamond.html http://www.amnestyusa.org/diamonds/index.do Basically, conflict diamonds are those from Sierra Leone, Angola, and Congo. The sales of diamonds finance rebels who commit horrible atrocities against the civilian populations. Chopping off hands and feet with machetes is routine. I really don't think a little bling is worth somebody losing their hands, and the UN agrees. |
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"NYC XYZ" wrote in message ups.com... di wrote: why would you want a titanium hybrid? I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ******GLAD****** YOU ASKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It seems like manufacturers also think there isn't a market out there for folks who like their uprights (or upwrongs, as the 'bent crowd likes to crow!) comfy as well as light and speedy. I'm not into racing, but I do do a lot of bike riding for someone who's not into racing! So I want to be comfortable...but that also means not dealing with that extra five to ten pounds of a non-ti or carb-fi bike.... I CAN'T be the only one who reasons this way...! I went to so many bike shops around NYC, and they all gave me that WTF stare...but it makes perfect sense to me! Why is the world so black-and-white anyway?? I like comfort, but I also like performance! When I lean more towards comfort (actually, when I have more cash) I'll get a recumbent bike...for now, I'm still leaning towards out-and-out performance -- but comfort's still a main, if not *the* main, factor! Actually I wasn't even thinking about performance and hybrid in the same chain of thought, most of the people I know who start with a hybrid and stay with cycling will eventually go to either a good quality road bike or mountain bike and drop the hybrid. BY the way you can buy a very good recumbent for $1200. |
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wrote in message oups.com... since you want a Ti bike, I would suggest that you go he http://www.habcycles.com/ Habanero frames are good quality, just like airborne. However, it is smaller volume, and the owner, Mark, will spend more time talking to you and answering all the questions that you have very patiently. Mark is a regular poster here and a nice guy, but don't talk politics with him. Andres Habaneros are still Chinese. If you want Ti, save up and buy a Litespeed. Otherwise, there are plenty of perfectly fine bikes made from other materials. Ti can't do anything good steel doesn't. So it doesn't rust? I live in Florida, ride steel, and I don't have a rust problem. Proper maintenance goes a long way. Ti is |
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"NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... Gooserider wrote: Airborne is fine, if you don't mind buying a Chinese bicycle. Indeed! Oddly enough, Airborne notes on its website that although the frame comes from a Chinese aerospace and satellite company (?!), their bikes still qualify under US Trade regulations as American Made! Ah, the wonders of free trade. How many American Ti fabricators could be employed if those bikes were made here? I don't support communist dictatorships. This is so interesting...what Red China products do you do without, and what do you substitute them with? Like everything's made there these days. Can I find American made cheap plastic junk? No. Can I find bicycles, cars, motorcycles, appliances, and electronics not made in China. Sure, and I have. I own three Taiwanese bikes, and an American bike. The American bike is head and shoulders above the Taiwanese quality wise, but it was far more expensive, too. I wouldn't buy the Airborne, but that's purely on an ethical level. I'm sure the quality is fine. Are you sure those so-called "Taiwanese" bikes aren't perhaps made in some mainland China factory? I understand everybody's got factories in China. If the sticker says "Made in Taiwan", then that's the deal. They're all made at the same factories, anyway. |
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