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You currently have no dollar coin?!

Effectively, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar...(United_States)

I probably have one around here someplace. I thought I'd found it
but
it
turned out to be a token for the carousel.

We also have a two dollar bill. I've got one that I'm using as a
bookmark. They never took off either.

We do not have a three dollar bill, leading to the expression 'as
queer
as a three dollar bill'.

There is a 50 cent coin, again rarely seen. It's redundant since
you
can
make any sum with 1, 5, 10, and 25.

We have 1,2,5,10,20,50,100,200 pence coins. They're all equally
used.
Why use two 25 cent coins when you can use a 50?

Because that's what you happen to have, stupid.

Doesn't make the 50 redundant. We use 50s all the time, in fact I'd
say
all coins are used equally.

You'd be wrong about that last.

Incorrect, in my line of work I receive coins all the time, and get
equal
numbers of all of them.

Don't believe that last.

It's true.

Nope.

Well I do.

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Finally, if you live in an RV you get to keep it. And modify
it.
Lot
rent is quite a bit less than rental properties.

I take it RV means campervan? Those depreciate way faster than
houses.

If you don't plan on selling it who cares? Besides, as you argued
for
automobiles, buy them used after they depreciate.

Still a lot of repairs to do, like rust, and the engine of course.

Aluminum doesn't rust. RV's also include trailers so there is no
engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_vehicle

My brother had a motorhome but he towed a Toyota yacht tender
behind
it.
That's a very common practice so you have a vehicle smaller than a
bus
to drive around. With the trailer, you can drop the trailer and you
have
the tow vehicle for driving around.

There are quite a few full-time RVers in the US. Some are retirees,
others are younger and find employment as they go.

https://www.outsideonline.com/185778...re-you-park-it

When I hit the road it was in a pickup similar to the 3rd photo,
rather
than a van or some of the pickups with larger camper shells. It was
inconspicuous and could go anyplace. I wandered around the western
US
for a year, going to Arizona for the winter months, and then spent
a
year as a Forest Service volunteer. It's an interesting life; you
learn
to travel light and improvise.

I don't understand why they're still using steel on any vehicle,

Because its much cheaper than the alternatives
and isnt hard to treat so it doesn't rust.

Yet all cars rust. After the warranty period though.

No rust on my Getz and it's a long way out of warranty now.

But you live in a huge desert compared to the soggy island I'm stuck on.

You'll find no rust on the 12 year old Getzs you find there too.

I have rust on my 16 year old Renault.

Because its just another frog steaming turd with wheels.

Although to be fair it's not significant. Why did it take them until now
to work out how to stop steel rusting?

It didn't, they previously chose not to bother.

Cars used to rust after 5 years.

My 69 beetle didn't. Neither did the 73 Golf.

My 98 Golf rusted to the point that it wasn't worth repairing for the annual safety test. That was about 5 years ago.

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Cost to the customer should dictate ones further away will be less
likely to be bought, so I guess they were different carpets.

Presumably. They were all 12' rolls so I never saw the working
side.
Furniture was the same deal. There still are furniture factories in
the
south eastern US while most of the furniture I loaded on the west
coast
was from Asia.

Other products weren't so easy to rationalize. I don't know about
the
UK
but the Sunday papers (when people still read the Sunday papers)
have
a
lot of colorful advertising brochures and other crap that most
people
strip out and use to wrap garbage. I picked up a lot of those in
Boulder
CO to take to Baltimore MD, which is about 1600 miles. Nobody on
the
east coast can print useless stuff?

The whole scheme depends on cheap transportation / cheap fuel. Keep
those container ships and trucks rolling!

If your government put as much fuel tax on it as ours did, that
wouldn't
be happening.

It happens in Britain and the EU too.

Britain isn't big enough to travel very far.

But the EU is.

Most stuff I buy is made in the UK.

Don't believe that with the food.

It is, probably mainly because of our ****ed up government introducing
"local foods" advertising for the treehuggers to save transporting things.
All the supermarkets seem to be proud to show off that their food is
locally grown.

Pity about the stats that show that much of the food
consumed on that soggy little frigid island is imported.

I guess I only notice the silly stuff with the British flag on the wrapper. I don't really care where my food comes from, I go by flavour and price.

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I really ****ed off a horserider once. I was driving a very
old
Range
Rover automatic which had a conversion to LPG. It very often
misfired,
made loud bangs, and changed gear without warning. I managed
to
cause a
small explosion and a loud revving of the engine just as I
passed a
horserider coming the other way along a narrow country road.
The
horse
**** itself, and so did the rider.

I did better than that... I was coming down a narrow road that
went
past
a dude ranch on my Harley. Coming the other was was a herd of
dudes
on
their docile refugees from a canning factory led by a genuine
wild
west
cowboy. ****head's horse had a nervous breakdown while the
guests'
nags
barely roused from their stupor.

it doesn't take much to set them off. I've worked with horses
enough
to
know most of them are a neurotic bundle of nerves. If the horse
can't
handle public roads, trailer it to a nice quiet horse trail
someplace.

Indeed. Horses on roads were fine, before the invention of the
motor
car.

They weren't actually, lots got killed by them bolting etc.

They're not the brightest of animals.

A common description around here is a cowboy is the third dumbest
critter riding the second dumbest and chasing the first dumbest.

I would agree with that statement.

I wouldn't, sheep are a lot dumber than cattle.

I'd say they were equally stupid.

No, you can turn cattle out in the forest in the spring and expect to
find most of them in the fall, minus the few that walk off cliffs etc.
Try that with sheep and the first thing they will do is find something
poisonous to eat. Then the survivors will find a fence line to pile up
against and smother half of them. The remnant will then try to drown
themselves in a creek. The hardy few survivors will get eaten by the
bears, wolves, mountain lions, and coyotes.

We do have wild bighorn sheep that can fend for themselves but
centuries
of breeding have dumbed down the domestic version.

Besides, sheep are an excuse for blue heelers.

Maybe they should let the stupid sheep all die off,

Trouble is that with the current bred sheep, that is all of them.

then the next generation will be more sensible.

Fraid not when they are all dead.

Then give up on the species altogether.

But then I wouldn't be able to eat their legs roasted.

Much prefer that to any other meat except steaks.

And much prefer their wool to synthetics too.

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On 09/25/2018 09:25 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
We just changed recently. Annoyingly they also changed
one
of
the
coins, so they're slightly bigger and no longer fit in
any
machines
until they're all changed over at the shop's expense.
Clueless
Royal
Mint, they do that every 5 years.

At least you don't have Loonies...

Who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loonie

We do in fact have both a gold colored $1 and $2 coins and
they
work
fine
except for the terminal stupidity that the $1 coin is bigger
than
the
$2
coin.
And the 50c coin is bigger again, but is silver colored and
not
gold
colored.

And we don't have 1c and 2c coins anymore, the lowest value
is
5c.

I misspoke. I was thinking of the toonie..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toonie

I don't know if it was just an urban legend but there was
talk
that
the
manufacturing process wasn't ironed out for the first runs
and
the
core
would fall out leaving you with a $2 washer.

I liked going to Canada. In the '90s the exchange rate was
unfavorable
to the Canadians and they used different colors for their
paper
money
with bears, penguins, or whatever in the designs. For $100
you
got
a
wad
of multicolored Canadian bills. It was like Monopoly money.

What screwed me up was liters for gasoline. Between the
exchange
rate
and trying to do liters to gallons in my head I always
assumed
I
was
getting screwed at the pump where the former Imperial gallons
seemed
like a bargain.

Our Aldi supermarkets, being a German company, like to make
everything
metric, hence they sell litres of milk instead of the pints I
get
everywhere else,

Ours are all metric, and that's the law.

Do your lawmakers have nothing more sensible to do?

They do them all.

What? I asked why your lawmakers don't do more sensible things,
other
than making everything metric, which nobody gives a **** about.

it makes price comparisons annoyingly difficult. They also do
weird
**** like putting the prices above the shelf instead of on it,
I'm
always looking at the price for the wrong thing.

They don't do that here.

In every supermarket but Aldi here, the price is on the shelf
which
the
item is sitting on. In Aldi however, it's on the shelf above,
or
for
the
top shelf, way above it on a vertical bit.

Like I said, Aldi does it the same way all the other supermarkets
do
it
here.

They do however have a nice tactic of speeding things up by
letting
you
just put one of everything on the conveyor belt, then telling
them
how
many you have left in the trolley. Sometimes I guess you
might
feel
the
need to er.... tell them the wrong number :-)

Ours counts them even when you tell them.

Try filling your trolley to the brim, they can't see them all
then
:-)

I did that at one time, they required them to
all be on the belt so they could count them.

They did that to me a few times, then stopped again, it was
slowing
down
the queue. It seems they'd rather take the risk of some cheats
than
have
everyone take longer to get through the checkout and employ more
staff.

Our old silver dollars were large. The latest attempts to
float
out
a
dollar coin have been barely distinguishable from a quarter
(25
cent
piece). They never have taken off.

You currently have no dollar coin?!

Yes they do. But for some reason most don't use it presumably
because
they didn't crap all the paper $1 notes when they introduced
it.
Its
now
not even minted for general currency use, just for collectors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar...(United_States)

$1 US is worth even less than £1. Our £1 notes fell to bits
through
overuse, I dread to think what theirs look like.

That comes down to how soon they pulp them, not how much use they
get.

But they can only pulp them when they are handed in to a bank.

Commercial operations do that all the time. Do you seriously
believe
that
they stuff the money they take under the mattress ?

When we still had £1 notes, I saw them in a terrible state, and the
date
on them was well in hte past, like 10 years. If you're correct,
then
surely in that 10 years a bank must have seen them?

Corse they did, and didn't bother to pulp them.

Every single note I've ever had given to me by a bank was brand new.
So
I
assume they ALWAYS pulp them.

Cant see how that is even possible. The bulk of the notes
must be handed to some shop or other in exchange for
goods and the bulk of those must be deposited in a
bank and not just stuffed under the mattress.

It isnt even likely that the bigger stores like supermarkets
hand a wad of notes to the truck drivers that show up with
a truck full of stuff that goes on the shelves and they take
that wad of notes back to the manufacturer of the stuff
they delivered to the supermarket.

Stores give smaller notes back in change, and larger ones in cashback
for
debit cards, so a lot of notes go back to a customer.

But not enough do to ensure that the
bank never sees the battered notes.

You can't be sure of what you said above.

Yes I can. The supermarket isnt going to be profitable
if it doesn't put substantial numbers of notes in the
bank and I am sure they don't get the truck delivery
driver to take a wad of notes back to their suppliers.

How much cash goes from person to person at garage sales etc?

Almost all of it, but that's a tiny subset
of what most spend in the supermarket.

Tho I spose you could argue that most use
a card or phone in the supermarket now.

I do get what notes I need for the garage sales
from the self checkout in the supermarket now
instead of using ATMs,. and as you say, they
are mostly pretty new notes from the machine,
presumably because those do feed better in
the machines.

Anyway, I've never had a used note from a bank. Of course that may be
because I usually use a cash machine, and perhaps they always give those
new notes to prevent jamming.

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Yes. Generally called spark plug wires in this country. They may be
a
thing of the past. My Toyota doesn't have any but I don't know how
common that is.

It will, but they're concealed in one tube.

No concealment on the Toyota. It has Coil-on-Plug ignition.

https://troubleshootmyvehicle.com/to...nition-coils-1


Why do they tend to put the coils on the plugs now instead of having
one
big coil?

The last car I inspected may have had that, I'm not sure, all I know
is
there was a bar that clipped over all the plugs, with one thick wire
leading to it.

It eliminates the moving parts of the distributor and the high tension
wires. Even without the old mechanical points, that is still a couple
of
areas of potential failure. The ECU is capable of delivering a timed
pulse.

The trouble is when the ECU goes wrong all hell breaks loose.

It doesn't go wrong with the well designed ones.

My current (French - as in ****ty electrics) car failed the annual
safety
test because it was reporting a failure of the antilock brakes. Luckily
I
use a garage where the mechanics have common sense. The computer
reported
a fault, but refused to specify what part was broken, so he just passed
it
anyway.

Cars get bumped about, we can't build computers that can withstand that.

Corse we can and do. No one I know has ever had any computer failure in
their car.

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Yes. Generally called spark plug wires in this country. They
may
be
a
thing of the past. My Toyota doesn't have any but I don't know
how
common that is.

It will, but they're concealed in one tube.

No concealment on the Toyota. It has Coil-on-Plug ignition.

https://troubleshootmyvehicle.com/to...nition-coils-1


Why do they tend to put the coils on the plugs now instead of
having
one big coil?

Because it works better not distributing the high voltage thru the
distributor.
And because it works better with modern computer controlled
engines.

This should be fun, explaining it to someone who by their own
admission
hasn't a clue of how an IC engine works...

Yeah, bet he doesn't even know what a distributor does.

My first car was a Rover, with the distributor mounted just behind the
front wheelarch, where it regularly got soaked. I know all about the
bloody things.

But you havent noticed that modern computer controlled injected cars
don't
have them. So they can't use the old style single high voltage coil
which
gets
the high voltage distributed to the individual spark plugs by the
distributor.

I assumed the computer controlled the HV.

Much more viable to do it at the 12V level and have the stepup
transformer right at the spark plug itself. That way you don't
have the problem of insulating the plug leads to the distributor.

But you do need a lot of coils.

Only 4 in my case. And eliminates the distributor and works much
better because the computer has full control over when the spark
fires. That isnt possible with a distributor, you are stuck with the
mechanical rotation of the distributor.

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We have 1,2,5,10,20,50,100,200 pence coins. They're all equally
used.
Why use two 25 cent coins when you can use a 50?

No idea. Almost all the coin trays have 5 buckets but the fifth
is
most
often used to hold paper clips, rubber bands, or other small
items.

One explanation is the half dollar was the last of the coins to
contain
silver and when the silver prices went up they were hoarded and
fell
out
of circulation. By the time the composite coins came out people
had
gotten away from using them.

Chicken or egg, but most vending machines and the pay phones
didn't
take
them.

The US did have 2 and 3 cent pieces in the 1800's. There was the
naive
thought that a coin's bullion value should match its face value
so
there
was some jockeying around. The nickel won the popularity contest.

The 20 cent piece didn't last long either. That was a political
move
by
the silver miners to have the government buy more silver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Gold_speech

The US has solved that problem. None of the coinage has real
worth
although you can make sort of a low grade zamak out of pennies.
Illegally, of course.

Why do you have such complicated terms for your coins? Ours are
just
called by their value - 20p, 50p, etc.

Pity about the sovereign, crown, half crown, groat, shilling,
sixpence,
quid
etc.

None of those are used anymore apart form "quid" which is simply a
synonym
for "pound".

There are still slang terms for your decimal coins and notes.

Which aren't used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slang_...United_Kingdom

The only slang term in use for a denomination is "quid".

Wrong, as always.

Which words do you believe we use commonly?

You didn't say commonly. You said arent used.

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I really ****ed off a horserider once. I was driving a
very
old
Range
Rover automatic which had a conversion to LPG. It very
often
misfired,
made loud bangs, and changed gear without warning. I
managed
to
cause a
small explosion and a loud revving of the engine just as I
passed
a
horserider coming the other way along a narrow country
road.
The
horse
**** itself, and so did the rider.

I did better than that... I was coming down a narrow road
that
went
past
a dude ranch on my Harley. Coming the other was was a herd
of
dudes
on
their docile refugees from a canning factory led by a
genuine
wild
west
cowboy. ****head's horse had a nervous breakdown while the
guests'
nags
barely roused from their stupor.

it doesn't take much to set them off. I've worked with
horses
enough to
know most of them are a neurotic bundle of nerves. If the
horse
can't
handle public roads, trailer it to a nice quiet horse trail
someplace.

Indeed. Horses on roads were fine, before the invention of
the
motor car.

They weren't actually, lots got killed by them bolting etc.

They're not the brightest of animals.

They're actually quite a bit smarter than most, just a
neurotic bundle of nerves. They basically evolved that
way because they are prey to stuff like lions and tigers etc.

At one time I worked on a Forest Service ranch that was the
winter
home
for about 250 head of saddle and pack stock, both mules and
horses.
I
preferred the mules. The only problem is a mule is smart enough
to
look
out for number one while you can coax a horse into doing stupid
things.
otoh, most mules aren't afraid of a length of rope laying in the
trail,
running water, tree branches blowing in the wind, llamas,
bicycles,
elk,
deer, shadows, or whatever else will trigger a horse.

I've just been to this one again and was again reminded that
quite
a
few
of them were kept where they were wanted to be when not actually
doing
anything by just a line of white plastic cord keeping them from
wandering
around.

That's surprising, I always see temporary electric fence.

Not sure that would work very well with Clydesdales, they have very
hairy
legs.

They operate at about 6000V, I guess it can spark through the fur.

I doubt it. We did some field trials back in the late 60s and did use
an electric fence to keep the sheep in the trial blocks. One of us
used
to have his dog with him all the time. The fence didn't stop the dog.
Until one day after heavy rain, the dog tried to go thru the fence
yet again. He never tried it again after that.

So how come it gets through the much thicker wool of the sheep?

It doesn't, it works on their noses and legs.

Don't Clydesdales have noses?

They don't get anywhere near an electric fence. Those
horses are massive, the heads are well above humans.
https://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/...ok_at_the.html

Build a higher fence.

No point when a single line of white plastic about 2mm thick works fine.
Normally run about human waist height. Vastly cheaper and much easier
to run out with temporary fences like at that field day.

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news On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:04:31 +0100, Rod Speed

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"rbowman" wrote in message
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On 09/26/2018 09:02 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
One of the chain self checkouts used to just
dispense $20s here and I used that for that
reason instead of an ATM but they have
changed those now and they don't let you
specify what you want, it works that out
for you so you can still get $20s by specifying
you want $40, but you get $50s if you say
you want $50 or $100 etc. That chain has
now closed their store in my town now so
I have to use the other self checkouts.

I'll have to pay more attention the next time. I think you can
specify
a
number but the selection menu is in $20 increments. The max on
the
menu
is
$200, or sometimes $100 at the smaller kiosks in markets.

I've got the feeling if you said you wanted $57 the machine
would
make
impolite remarks. Maybe not, since the self service checkouts
can
make
change with smaller bills. I never thought about it. I just grab
$200
and
go.

Yeah, I'm about to try them all now because I have always
preferred to have $20 notes for the garage/yard sales. $50s
can be a real hassle, particularly given that we show up
at the garage/yard sales before anyone else and hardly
any ensure that they have lots of change. I prefer to use
the self checkouts rather than ATMs just because you
don't normally have to queue for the self checkouts
and there is no chance of a skimmer on the self checkout.

You must have a lot of criminals over there.

Most of those skimming ATMs are tourists.

The problem doesn't exist here,

Wrong, as always.
https://www.google.com/search?q=atm+skimming+uk

you're doing something wrong.

Nope.

Never happened to me or anyone I know,

Never happened to me or anyone I know either.

I guess it's not that common here. Either that or you're overly
paranoid.

Or I have enough of a clue to have noticed the tourists caught doing
it.

But if it's never happened to you or anyone you know, then it isn't
widespread enough to worry about.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

What's silly about it? You've just admitted it's uncommon, yet your worry
about it.

I don't worry about it. I use self checkouts because I am much
more likely to be able to walk up to one and use it and don't
have to queue while some clown fumbles around at the ATM.