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On 2018-07-16 09:08, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 7:56:37 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-15 15:01, jbeattie wrote: [...] We met at a coffee shop this morning, but I didn't partake. Got up to 95F, and I ran out of water, so I stopped at a market with my cohorts. Also stopped for a little ferry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEfIcrKZesw&t=3s What a beautiful day it was. No pubs. Yesterday was a death ride with my son, and no pubs -- although I did have a beer at home, and Tylenol. Obviously two no-fun rides because they didn't involve a pub of any kind. Somewhere between 95-100F yesterday, did a 20-miler after church. http://mikebikehike.com/wp-content/u...6/IMG_0140.jpg No, this ain't my bike. In contrast to some here who find that "unusual" lots of people in our area ride with panniers. For longer rides in hilly terrain without water spigots there is no alternative other that schlepping a hydration pack which will result in profuse sweating. Or drink American River water and get E-Coli. Oh, and I had an IPA on the way back 8-) Again, you're mixing road and trail. That's a road bike with panniers with probably 28mm tires and, gasp, ordinary rim brakes. It's not going trail riding any time soon. I have Nashbar Daytrekker panniers on both my road bike and my MTB. I don't think it's unusual to see road bikes with panniers. I probably saw 20-30 cyclists with panniers on the way to work this morning. I think its unusual to need panniers with tons of junk in them for a recreational weekend ride with friends, and in your case, drinking at a pub. It is when you find another rider bleeding and in need of something to stop that. Needless to say, I carry a first aid kit. Or a rider who was complaining about carpal-tunnel type symptoms in his right hand. Turns out the shifter and brake lever were set too low. Of course, I had a 6mm Allen wrench to fix that on the trail. You would not believe how often my "excess baggage" has saved the day for others with serious signs of dehydration and zero ounces in their bottles. .. ... I suppose if the table is wobbly, you could always find something in your panniers to shim it. It's always good to have rope, particularly if you want to practice your knots while drinking. I've use rope to tow another rider. When the rear derailer gets pretzeled out in the boonies the only other option would be to hoof it and be late. I take no position on what is necessary for the brutal, godforsaken, mountain lion infested trail riding around Cameron Park. You might need air support for all I know. One hiker got that recently. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2018-07-16 09:38, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: Yesterday was a death ride with my son, and no pubs -- although I did have a beer at home, and Tylenol. Obviously two no-fun rides because they didn't involve a pub of any kind. -- Jay Beattie. Careful when mixing alcohol and Tylenol (acetaminophen). The combination can cause liver damage: https://www.healthline.com/health/pain-relief/acetaminophen-alcohol Methinks that aspirin is safer, as long as you don't have a problem with stomach bleeding or ulcers. Speaking of stomach ulcers and straining to keep up with the RARE faster rider: Does anyone have an idea how strong an "emergency fluid" needs to be to kill ingested helicobacter-pylori that a fly occasionally carries into the carelessly opened mouth during strenuous cycling, especially when riding dangerously upright (Dutch-geometry) cycles? There rarely are any St. Bernard dogs around any more I could ask for a double brandy. So I tend to just have a yoghurt with cayenne pepper and a garlic clove asap if it's too late to spit the insect out. But I'd really prefer to apply some kind of cold beer or whiskey-cola. Any ideas, home-brew or not? Ah, another excuse for carrying a homemade IPA on this weeks MTB ride :-) That ride has nothing in infrastructure, not even cell phone coverage. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 7/16/2018 1:19 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-07-16 09:08, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 7:56:37 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-15 15:01, jbeattie wrote: [...] We met at a coffee shop this morning, but I didn't partake. Got up to 95F, and I ran out of water, so I stopped at a market with my cohorts.Â* Also stopped for a little ferry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEfIcrKZesw&t=3s What a beautiful day it was. No pubs. Yesterday was a death ride with my son, and no pubs -- although I did have a beer at home, and Tylenol. Obviously two no-fun rides because they didn't involve a pub of any kind. Somewhere between 95-100F yesterday, did a 20-miler after church. http://mikebikehike.com/wp-content/u...6/IMG_0140.jpg No, this ain't my bike. In contrast to some here who find that "unusual" lots of people in our area ride with panniers. For longer rides in hilly terrain without water spigots there is no alternative other that schlepping a hydration pack which will result in profuse sweating. Or drink American River water and get E-Coli. Oh, and I had an IPA on the way back 8-) Again, you're mixing road and trail.Â* That's a road bike with panniers with probably 28mm tires and, gasp, ordinary rim brakes. It's not going trail riding any time soon. I have Nashbar Daytrekker panniers on both my road bike and my MTB. I don't think it's unusual to see road bikes with panniers.Â* I probably saw 20-30 cyclists with panniers on the way to work this morning. I think its unusual to need panniers with tons of junk in them for a recreational weekend ride with friends, and in your case, drinking at a pub. It is when you find another rider bleeding and in need of something to stop that. Because riding a bike is so damned dangerous, one comes across bleeding riders nearly every day!! Needless to say, I carry a first aid kit. Or a rider who was complaining about carpal-tunnel type symptoms in his right hand. Turns out the shifter and brake lever were set too low. Of course, I had a 6mm Allen wrench to fix that on the trail. You would not believe how often my "excess baggage" has saved the day for others with serious signs of dehydration and zero ounces in their bottles. You're right about that: I would not believe. Unless, that is, you're going to give us a very, very low number. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 7/16/2018 1:22 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-07-16 09:38, Sepp Ruf wrote: Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: Yesterday was a death ride with my son, and no pubs -- although I did have a beer at home, and Tylenol. Obviously two no-fun rides because they didn't involve a pub of any kind. -- Jay Beattie. Careful when mixing alcohol and Tylenol (acetaminophen).* The combination can cause liver damage: https://www.healthline.com/health/pain-relief/acetaminophen-alcohol Methinks that aspirin is safer, as long as you don't have a problem with stomach bleeding or ulcers. Speaking of stomach ulcers and straining to keep up with the RARE faster rider: Does anyone have an idea how strong an "emergency fluid" needs to be to kill ingested helicobacter-pylori that a fly occasionally carries into the carelessly opened mouth during strenuous cycling, especially when riding dangerously upright (Dutch-geometry) cycles?* There rarely are any St. Bernard dogs around any more I could ask for a double brandy.* So I tend to just have a yoghurt with cayenne pepper and a garlic clove asap if it's too late to spit the insect out.* But I'd really prefer to apply some kind of cold beer or whiskey-cola.* Any ideas, home-brew or not? Ah, another excuse for carrying a homemade IPA on this weeks MTB ride :-) That ride has nothing in infrastructure, not even cell phone coverage. I've heard rumors that people used to ride bikes before cell phone coverage ever existed. Can that really be true? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2018-07-16 06:29, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/16/2018 1:14 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: The issue was whether separated bicycle facilities have any effect on the economy, which is probably "no." -- Jay Beattie. I'd dispute that. I live in a city with lots of bike paths. I use them a lot. I probably bicycle more due to having the paths. Its so easy to ride. I stop at convenience stores and restaurants more due to cycling. I spend more of my money locally because I bicycle. Without the paths, I might not ride. And I would not go to the convenience stores or restaurants. Less of my money would be spent locally. My money would stay in my bank account until I spend it on stuff ordered from Amazon or invested in the stock market. It definitely would not go to local merchants. +1 Well said. I don't doubt that you and Joerg use bike paths and buy things. I do, a lot. Often I need stuff for my job, things like enclosures, contactors, breakers, tools, et cetera. So I combine that with a valley ride. This is why people sometimes see me cycle back up the hill with a large box on my rack. Needless to say, stores along bike paths will be preferred, always. The same goes for when I pick up groceries, visit a brew pub, a restaurant, or whatever. If it's on or close to a bike path they'll get my business just like it is with Russell. I also know others who think and act the same way. If not reachable via bike path, might as well buy online. One of the result was that a pub saw a business opportunity and now offers 10% discount if you come by bike. Brilliant! ... But that's a long, long way from saying that bike paths have any (significant) effect on the economy. It does for those shops. The longest bike path in our area has obviously allowed one bike shop to thrive. But two other bike shops opened at other locations along the same bike path. One moved after a few years to a better location, where they are making much more money. The other closed down maybe a week ago. They said it was unprofitable. The net overall effect on the economy of that path is very close to zero. The usual "Glass-half-empty-Frank" statement. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2018-07-16 10:23, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/16/2018 1:19 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-16 09:08, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 7:56:37 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-15 15:01, jbeattie wrote: [...] We met at a coffee shop this morning, but I didn't partake. Got up to 95F, and I ran out of water, so I stopped at a market with my cohorts. Also stopped for a little ferry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEfIcrKZesw&t=3s What a beautiful day it was. No pubs. Yesterday was a death ride with my son, and no pubs -- although I did have a beer at home, and Tylenol. Obviously two no-fun rides because they didn't involve a pub of any kind. Somewhere between 95-100F yesterday, did a 20-miler after church. http://mikebikehike.com/wp-content/u...6/IMG_0140.jpg No, this ain't my bike. In contrast to some here who find that "unusual" lots of people in our area ride with panniers. For longer rides in hilly terrain without water spigots there is no alternative other that schlepping a hydration pack which will result in profuse sweating. Or drink American River water and get E-Coli. Oh, and I had an IPA on the way back 8-) Again, you're mixing road and trail. That's a road bike with panniers with probably 28mm tires and, gasp, ordinary rim brakes. It's not going trail riding any time soon. I have Nashbar Daytrekker panniers on both my road bike and my MTB. I don't think it's unusual to see road bikes with panniers. I probably saw 20-30 cyclists with panniers on the way to work this morning. I think its unusual to need panniers with tons of junk in them for a recreational weekend ride with friends, and in your case, drinking at a pub. It is when you find another rider bleeding and in need of something to stop that. Because riding a bike is so damned dangerous, one comes across bleeding riders nearly every day!! A few times a year. They aren't always cyclists. Is that not worth it in your opinion? You'd just bid them a good day and leave? I sure don't. As the scouts say, be prepared, always. Needless to say, I carry a first aid kit. Or a rider who was complaining about carpal-tunnel type symptoms in his right hand. Turns out the shifter and brake lever were set too low. Of course, I had a 6mm Allen wrench to fix that on the trail. You would not believe how often my "excess baggage" has saved the day for others with serious signs of dehydration and zero ounces in their bottles. You're right about that: I would not believe. Unless, that is, you're going to give us a very, very low number. One guy (on a hike in Yosemite) would most likely not have made it if it wasn't for a large excess stash of water and food in our backpacks. He had laid down away from the trail, delirious, could barely speak anymore and mumbled he just wanted to die there. A Chinese tourist in Grand Canyon ran out of water and gave up on the trail, in the glistening sun. Just wanted to "stay there". I have her a lot of water and food until she perked up. Even if the number was "1" (which it isn't), that would be well worth it as far as I am concerned. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2018-07-16 10:29, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/16/2018 1:22 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-16 09:38, Sepp Ruf wrote: Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: Yesterday was a death ride with my son, and no pubs -- although I did have a beer at home, and Tylenol. Obviously two no-fun rides because they didn't involve a pub of any kind. -- Jay Beattie. Careful when mixing alcohol and Tylenol (acetaminophen). The combination can cause liver damage: https://www.healthline.com/health/pain-relief/acetaminophen-alcohol Methinks that aspirin is safer, as long as you don't have a problem with stomach bleeding or ulcers. Speaking of stomach ulcers and straining to keep up with the RARE faster rider: Does anyone have an idea how strong an "emergency fluid" needs to be to kill ingested helicobacter-pylori that a fly occasionally carries into the carelessly opened mouth during strenuous cycling, especially when riding dangerously upright (Dutch-geometry) cycles? There rarely are any St. Bernard dogs around any more I could ask for a double brandy. So I tend to just have a yoghurt with cayenne pepper and a garlic clove asap if it's too late to spit the insect out. But I'd really prefer to apply some kind of cold beer or whiskey-cola. Any ideas, home-brew or not? Ah, another excuse for carrying a homemade IPA on this weeks MTB ride :-) That ride has nothing in infrastructure, not even cell phone coverage. I've heard rumors that people used to ride bikes before cell phone coverage ever existed. Can that really be true? Sure it can but it increases the risk of a rider not making it if you find one that has crashed hard. That goes even more for rattlesnake bites which typically won't allow you to hoof or ride it out of there under your own power. Which is why, on that trail, I carry a small ham radio transceiver so I can reach the KA6GWY repeater in an emergency. http://www.rubicontrail.org/rtf-hamradios.htm -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/16/2018 1:22 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-16 09:38, Sepp Ruf wrote: Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: Yesterday was a death ride with my son, and no pubs -- although I did have a beer at home, and Tylenol. Obviously two no-fun rides because they didn't involve a pub of any kind. -- Jay Beattie. Careful when mixing alcohol and Tylenol (acetaminophen).* The combination can cause liver damage: https://www.healthline.com/health/pain-relief/acetaminophen-alcohol Methinks that aspirin is safer, as long as you don't have a problem with stomach bleeding or ulcers. Speaking of stomach ulcers and straining to keep up with the RARE faster rider: Does anyone have an idea how strong an "emergency fluid" needs to be to kill ingested helicobacter-pylori that a fly occasionally carries into the carelessly opened mouth during strenuous cycling, especially when riding dangerously upright (Dutch-geometry) cycles?* There rarely are any St. Bernard dogs around any more I could ask for a double brandy.* So I tend to just have a yoghurt with cayenne pepper and a garlic clove asap if it's too late to spit the insect out.* But I'd really prefer to apply some kind of cold beer or whiskey-cola.* Any ideas, home-brew or not? Ah, another excuse for carrying a homemade IPA on this weeks MTB ride :-) You better have at least some in-vitro testing on fly stomach bacteria ready to present before claiming any medical benefit to your watery, non-flammable concoction that won't even eat through stainless steel! Do at least get the 70% version of the Andrew's ChartreuseJersey-recommended absinthe (Spain's traditional filtered veggie smoothie) that's available in a crash-safe PET bottle! That ride has nothing in infrastructure, not even cell phone coverage. Cell phone coverage is for p*ssies. Better take a radiator hose with you. Together with your multipurpose iron nail, it will help you sense water veins, and you can produce infrasonic elephant noises with it, thus alerting rescue teams in Chinese submarines off the coast! https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/state/california/article214901920.html I've heard rumors that people used to ride bikes before cell phone coverage ever existed. Can that really be true? Yes, but long gone are the days when people were still able to just shut up if needed, thus protecting their stomachs from fly-vectored ulcers and deadly cancers. |
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