Another Cheap Buy

On 4/2/2021 7:15 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:

snip

And many, probably most, religions, today, distort that historical
basis :-)

Of course.

The religion of worshiping an evil leader is, sadly, not going away.
Trump is the latest example of course, but we saw it with Hugh Chavez,
the Ayatollah Khomeini, Mussolini, Hitler, Peron, and Putin, among
others. Never thought we'd have seen it in the United States, but at
least the spectacular failure of the Trump presidency may mean that
it'll be a long time before we see it again.

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 10:58:12 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2021 7:15 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:

snip
And many, probably most, religions, today, distort that historical
basis :-)

Of course.
The religion of worshiping an evil leader is, sadly, not going away.
Trump is the latest example of course, but we saw it with Hugh Chavez,
the Ayatollah Khomeini, Mussolini, Hitler, Peron, and Putin, among
others. Never thought we'd have seen it in the United States, but at
least the spectacular failure of the Trump presidency may mean that
it'll be a long time before we see it again.
Why they stood in line to vote for you because Americans think just like you. Imagine not being able to get re-elected in one of the furthest left wing areas in the US because you make leftists ashamed of their views.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 10:58:08 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/2/2021 7:15 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:

snip

And many, probably most, religions, today, distort that historical
basis :-)

Of course.

The religion of worshiping an evil leader is, sadly, not going away.
Trump is the latest example of course, but we saw it with Hugh Chavez,
the Ayatollah Khomeini, Mussolini, Hitler, Peron, and Putin, among
others. Never thought we'd have seen it in the United States, but at
least the spectacular failure of the Trump presidency may mean that
it'll be a long time before we see it again.

The Ayatollah? The man who led the revolution against the kingdom of
the Shah, ending the 2,500-year-old Persian monarchy, and who was the
founder of the Republic of Iran? Or Putin, perhaps the most benign
leader in Russian history?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 05:45:57 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:24:42 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:01:31 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:35:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:

Illegally encroaching on state land, national forests, etc., is a
crime in Thailand and even a member of the government has been charged
with using state land illegally and (I believe) has had to resign her
position as an MP.
--
John B.

My gosh John, what kind of socialist, communist, fascist, dictatorship do you live in? An elected government official not being able to use/steal from the government they are serving? Here in the USA, AMERICA, we had the god like figure (as he says himself) Donald Trump enrich his own companies with government money every day of the week. Vacationing every week at his own country clubs to play golf every single weekend for four years and charging his own clubs millions of dollars to house his government secret service agents. Which the government paid millions of dollars to Trump himself. Its the American way to steal money from the government you are elected to serve! How dare they punish Thailand officials for being so American.
Russell, can you possibly be that ignorant? Trump gave his entire Presidential salary to charity, paid the majority of his own expense usually carried by he government and his total worth after the Presidency is HALF of what it was. Why do people like you love to listen to the lies of the left?
Trump did "donate" his salary to various federal government agencies. I guess you can call that giving to charity. Kind of like when you pay your federal taxes, you are donating to a charity. Right? JFK and Hoover donated their presidential salaries to charity too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=585915d71a8d

"paid the majority of his own expense usually carried by he government" How on earth did you think this up? I hesitate to ask what hallucinogenic drugs you were on. How much do you think it costs to fly a Boeing 747 airplane (Air Force One) to Florida or New Jersey for Trump to visit his golf courses and play golf every weekend for four years? How many thousands of hours of Secret Service employee time was used during these golf vacations? How many people accompany the President when he travels? 50? Each working 8 hours per day. 52 trips per year, each weekend. 50x8x52=20,800 hours of labor. Each person making $80,000 per year. $40 per hour. 20,800x40=$832,000 labor cost. Add in jet fuel for his vacations. Add in the several million dollars Trump and his hotels charged the government for the secret service to stay there. Trump spent millions and millions on his weekly vacations. Do you really believe Trump paid for this? If so, I have some magic beans to sell you.

I'd like to think I listen to almost everything. Use reasoning and logic to disregard the lies and retain the facts.
Like everything else you've had to say lately you are showing the same mental illness that you have been showing for at least a year. Can you suggest to me what ****ing different it makes if someone else gave their salary to charity or that Trump's kids working at their own jobs kept their own salaries because they are in no position to donate everything they earn to charity. What in the hell do you even have a passing knowledge of what they do and what they don't do? I am making less than $50,000 a year taxable and I donate over $3,500 every year what does a cheap SOB like you do?

$50,000 a year? And just yesterday you said that you were making
$120,000 annually...
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:45:59 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:24:42 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:01:31 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:35:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:

Illegally encroaching on state land, national forests, etc., is a
crime in Thailand and even a member of the government has been charged
with using state land illegally and (I believe) has had to resign her
position as an MP.
--
John B.

My gosh John, what kind of socialist, communist, fascist, dictatorship do you live in? An elected government official not being able to use/steal from the government they are serving? Here in the USA, AMERICA, we had the god like figure (as he says himself) Donald Trump enrich his own companies with government money every day of the week. Vacationing every week at his own country clubs to play golf every single weekend for four years and charging his own clubs millions of dollars to house his government secret service agents. Which the government paid millions of dollars to Trump himself. Its the American way to steal money from the government you are elected to serve! How dare they punish Thailand officials for being so American.
Russell, can you possibly be that ignorant? Trump gave his entire Presidential salary to charity, paid the majority of his own expense usually carried by he government and his total worth after the Presidency is HALF of what it was. Why do people like you love to listen to the lies of the left?
Trump did "donate" his salary to various federal government agencies. I guess you can call that giving to charity. Kind of like when you pay your federal taxes, you are donating to a charity. Right? JFK and Hoover donated their presidential salaries to charity too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=585915d71a8d

"paid the majority of his own expense usually carried by he government" How on earth did you think this up? I hesitate to ask what hallucinogenic drugs you were on. How much do you think it costs to fly a Boeing 747 airplane (Air Force One) to Florida or New Jersey for Trump to visit his golf courses and play golf every weekend for four years? How many thousands of hours of Secret Service employee time was used during these golf vacations? How many people accompany the President when he travels? 50? Each working 8 hours per day. 52 trips per year, each weekend. 50x8x52=20,800 hours of labor. Each person making $80,000 per year. $40 per hour. 20,800x40=$832,000 labor cost. Add in jet fuel for his vacations. Add in the several million dollars Trump and his hotels charged the government for the secret service to stay there. Trump spent millions and millions on his weekly vacations. Do you really believe Trump paid for this? If so, I have some magic beans to sell you.

I'd like to think I listen to almost everything. Use reasoning and logic to disregard the lies and retain the facts.
Like everything else you've had to say lately you are showing the same mental illness that you have been showing for at least a year. Can you suggest to me what ****ing different it makes if someone else gave their salary to charity or that Trump's kids working at their own jobs kept their own salaries because they are in no position to donate everything they earn to charity. What in the hell do you even have a passing knowledge of what they do and what they don't do? I am making less than $50,000 a year taxable and I donate over $3,500 every year what does a cheap SOB like you do?

YOU, You, you are the person who first talked about Trump giving his salary to "charity". Other's, including me, have responded since you introduced this new topic to the discussion. Why are you screaming at me for talking about Trump's charity donation when you grought up the topic? Odd.

Trump's kids? This is a new topic you have introduced. Why? I don't recall anyone else talking about Trump's kids. They may have been mentioned. Such as the prior thread where we talked about Trump retaining control and reaping financial benefits for himself and his company while President. He did technically sort of, kind of, put his kids in control of the business. Ha Ha. But you are definitely the first to talk about Trump's kids in this thread. Why?

Donating to charity. The relevance of your gifts or anyone else's gifts is? I am aware the topic of charity is now in this thread due to you. Are you listing your charity amounts to claim superiority over others who give less? Are you listing your charitable amounts to appear more like Trump, your icon? I am having a hard time figuring out why charity donations is relevant to a forum about bicycles. Can you explain please?

Calling me cheap. On some things yes. On other things no. As for your last comment, that is a reflection of your class. Low to say the least.

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:56:11 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 12:54:13 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 6:21:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:24:42 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Trump did "donate" his salary to various federal government agencies. I guess you can call that giving to charity. Kind of like when you pay your federal taxes, you are donating to a charity. Right? JFK and Hoover donated their presidential salaries to charity too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=585915d71a8d

"paid the majority of his own expense usually carried by he government" How on earth did you think this up? I hesitate to ask what hallucinogenic drugs you were on. How much do you think it costs to fly a Boeing 747 airplane (Air Force One) to Florida or New Jersey for Trump to visit his golf courses and play golf every weekend for four years? How many thousands of hours of Secret Service employee time was used during these golf vacations? How many people accompany the President when he travels? 50? Each working 8 hours per day. 52 trips per year, each weekend. 50x8x52=20,800 hours of labor. Each person making $80,000 per year. $40 per hour. 20,800x40=$832,000 labor cost. Add in jet fuel for his vacations. Add in the several million dollars Trump and his hotels charged the government for the secret service to stay there. Trump spent millions and millions on his weekly vacations. Do you really believe Trump paid for this? If so, I have some magic beans to sell you.

I'd like to think I listen to almost everything. Use reasoning and logic to disregard the lies and retain the facts.
Let me guess, you are on illegal drugs? Yes most of those receiving money were governmental agencies such as the Department of the Interior receiving one quarter of Trump's salary to maintain the civil war sites that are considered national parks. I'm absolutely sure that you think that this is horible too - A science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) camp for children. Public awareness campaign about opioid addiction. Department of Transportation Infrastructure grant program. Tell me you idiot - I'll bet your supreme ignorance has been cheering on Biden spending TAX money for state infrastructure. Every thing you say from idiotic things like it doesn't count if he donates the money specifically to special programs in the government that really require money like the Department of Veterans affairs to fund the caregiver programs that have been completely cut now that Biden is in. Why don't you tell us all that a million dollars these days isn't much? I suppose that means you have several millions and can't make ends meet. I suppose that it wasn't nearly enough charity to put money into the covid-19 program in HHS. There is really something wrong with you. What is really laughable is that Fascist do not like trouble makers. You will support putting the same people into power that many years ago a high Soviet planner who escaped to American explained just exactly how Communism was going to take over the US and then as soon as they had the power they would kill all of the trouble makers. No doubt that you will be down on your stomach bowing to the holly communists when they put a bullet through the back of your head.
"Why don't you tell us all that a million dollars these days isn't much?" Personally, I do not think a million dollars ($1 million) is all that much money today. 40 years ago I recall if you were a "millionaire" you were rich. Today, simply having a million dollars does not imply that much wealth. Heck, I bicycle with many millionaires. I know lots of millionaires. But I don't think of any of them as rich. A million dollars today may not go too far in some situations. It can, but that is not guaranteed. I would guess many of the participants on this forum are millionaires. Maybe even you. Accidents, medical problems, lawsuits, one or two bad choices in some matters, a million dollars can be gone very quickly today. So today you must be a multi millionaire to consider yourself comfortable.

From the link below. "HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU need to be rich? According to respondents of a 2019 Modern Wealth Survey from Charles Schwab, once you have $2.3 million in personal net worth, you can call yourself wealthy."
https://money.usnews.com/money/perso...hy-are-defined

Link below saying 8% of USA citizens are millionaires. Most likely due to working and saving over 40 years and they have most of their wealth in 401k or IRA, retirement accounts.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/more...t-wealthy.html

Up above you wrote about fascists, communism, and trouble makers. Apparently you, and all the Republicans in Congress have forgotten January 6, 2021 already. Odd. If you recall that is when Trump encouraged, led, his followers to attack the Capitol building and invade it. In the process 5 people died in the attempted coup.
So you are penniless and out of work? You need to have some moronic writer who represents himself as a "journalist" to tell you how much money you to have to be rich? I should have figured that out the first time you wrote that. You are someone that NEVER had any money and your value the opinion of some idiot also penniless moron to tell you how much money is too much money.

??? It is MY, me, myself, and I, opinion that having a million dollars today, 2021, does not make you rich or even wealthy. You need multi millions of dollars to be considered rich and wealthy. MY opinion. That is not to say you cannot consider yourself comfortable with a million dollars. Its better than a hundred thousand dollars. Ten times better. No journalists helped me make this decision. The links are merely to support my opinion by finding many others who happen to have the same opinion.

Now this opinion of a million dollars not making you rich is pertinent to where I live. USA. If you lived in other parts of the world, with very different costs of living, a million dollars may make you very rich. Which is why on YouTube there are many videos of people, mostly elderly, leaving the USA to live or retire in a foreign country. Panama and Thailand are two that come up often. Some of the eastern European countries are popular too.. Central America and South America too.

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Frank, you can continue with your lying whenever you are proven wrong. That is what you do. You answered the last comment I made. The fact is that this country has lost ground under every single Democrat with the exception of John F. Kennedy. That is why the Democrat HAD to get rid of him. He wasn't an elitist and he wasn't a racist and those two points DEFINE a Democrat.. The entire Democrat Party backed Roosevelt up when he wouldn't desegregate the military and when he put Americans of Japanese descents not just in concentration camps, but didn't even allow them access to proper medical care. If you were alive at that time there is no doubt that you would bend over backward to endorse him.


Rewriting history, or even taking credit for historical events, does not work well. Trump frequently compared himself to Lincoln. He wanted to add himself to Mt. Rushmore up there with Lincoln. As you may or may not recall, Lincoln was the first Republican elected President back in 1860. He freed the slaves and allowed them to vote by making them citizens of the USA. Now Trump and all the Republicans in state houses across the country are trying to take the right to vote from them. But during the time after the Civil War up until the 1970s, the Democrats in the southern states enacted Jim Crow laws to make it impossible for blacks to vote. Democrats! But since about Nixon to today, the southern states who enacted Jim Crow laws became Republican, not Democrat. And now the Republicans are bringing back Jim Crow laws. Funny how both political parties are or were in favor of blacks not voting.

On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 1:11:30 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:45:59 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:24:42 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:01:31 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:35:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:

Illegally encroaching on state land, national forests, etc., is a
crime in Thailand and even a member of the government has been charged
with using state land illegally and (I believe) has had to resign her
position as an MP.
--
John B.

My gosh John, what kind of socialist, communist, fascist, dictatorship do you live in? An elected government official not being able to use/steal from the government they are serving? Here in the USA, AMERICA, we had the god like figure (as he says himself) Donald Trump enrich his own companies with government money every day of the week. Vacationing every week at his own country clubs to play golf every single weekend for four years and charging his own clubs millions of dollars to house his government secret service agents. Which the government paid millions of dollars to Trump himself. Its the American way to steal money from the government you are elected to serve! How dare they punish Thailand officials for being so American.
Russell, can you possibly be that ignorant? Trump gave his entire Presidential salary to charity, paid the majority of his own expense usually carried by he government and his total worth after the Presidency is HALF of what it was. Why do people like you love to listen to the lies of the left?
Trump did "donate" his salary to various federal government agencies. I guess you can call that giving to charity. Kind of like when you pay your federal taxes, you are donating to a charity. Right? JFK and Hoover donated their presidential salaries to charity too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=585915d71a8d

"paid the majority of his own expense usually carried by he government" How on earth did you think this up? I hesitate to ask what hallucinogenic drugs you were on. How much do you think it costs to fly a Boeing 747 airplane (Air Force One) to Florida or New Jersey for Trump to visit his golf courses and play golf every weekend for four years? How many thousands of hours of Secret Service employee time was used during these golf vacations? How many people accompany the President when he travels? 50? Each working 8 hours per day. 52 trips per year, each weekend. 50x8x52=20,800 hours of labor. Each person making $80,000 per year. $40 per hour. 20,800x40=$832,000 labor cost. Add in jet fuel for his vacations. Add in the several million dollars Trump and his hotels charged the government for the secret service to stay there. Trump spent millions and millions on his weekly vacations.. Do you really believe Trump paid for this? If so, I have some magic beans to sell you.

I'd like to think I listen to almost everything. Use reasoning and logic to disregard the lies and retain the facts.
Like everything else you've had to say lately you are showing the same mental illness that you have been showing for at least a year. Can you suggest to me what ****ing different it makes if someone else gave their salary to charity or that Trump's kids working at their own jobs kept their own salaries because they are in no position to donate everything they earn to charity. What in the hell do you even have a passing knowledge of what they do and what they don't do? I am making less than $50,000 a year taxable and I donate over $3,500 every year what does a cheap SOB like you do?
YOU, You, you are the person who first talked about Trump giving his salary to "charity". Other's, including me, have responded since you introduced this new topic to the discussion. Why are you screaming at me for talking about Trump's charity donation when you grought up the topic? Odd.

Trump's kids? This is a new topic you have introduced. Why? I don't recall anyone else talking about Trump's kids. They may have been mentioned. Such as the prior thread where we talked about Trump retaining control and reaping financial benefits for himself and his company while President. He did technically sort of, kind of, put his kids in control of the business. Ha Ha. But you are definitely the first to talk about Trump's kids in this thread. Why?

Donating to charity. The relevance of your gifts or anyone else's gifts is? I am aware the topic of charity is now in this thread due to you. Are you listing your charity amounts to claim superiority over others who give less? Are you listing your charitable amounts to appear more like Trump, your icon? I am having a hard time figuring out why charity donations is relevant to a forum about bicycles. Can you explain please?

Calling me cheap. On some things yes. On other things no. As for your last comment, that is a reflection of your class. Low to say the least.
You are the one that claimed that since Hoover and Kennedy did likewise previously that somehow Trump doing the same wasn't charity at all. You are so small that you were inferring that since these charities went through government agencies they weren't charities at all. You are the one that claimed that Trump's kids got rich off of the government if Trump didn't. You have reached the point at which you are so small that you even claim that no one has the ability to measure the top tube of their own bikes and you can imagine it more accurately. Again, I have a brother-in-law that is a councilor and talked to him about you. He too suggests a psychologist.

On 4/3/2021 3:40 AM, wrote:
On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Frank, you can continue with your lying whenever you are proven wrong. That is what you do. You answered the last comment I made. The fact is that this country has lost ground under every single Democrat with the exception of John F. Kennedy. That is why the Democrat HAD to get rid of him. He wasn't an elitist and he wasn't a racist and those two points DEFINE a Democrat. The entire Democrat Party backed Roosevelt up when he wouldn't desegregate the military and when he put Americans of Japanese descents not just in concentration camps, but didn't even allow them access to proper medical care. If you were alive at that time there is no doubt that you would bend over backward to endorse him.


Rewriting history, or even taking credit for historical events, does not work well. Trump frequently compared himself to Lincoln. He wanted to add himself to Mt. Rushmore up there with Lincoln. As you may or may not recall, Lincoln was the first Republican elected President back in 1860. He freed the slaves and allowed them to vote by making them citizens of the USA. Now Trump and all the Republicans in state houses across the country are trying to take the right to vote from them. But during the time after the Civil War up until the 1970s, the Democrats in the southern states enacted Jim Crow laws to make it impossible for blacks to vote. Democrats! But since about Nixon to today, the southern states who enacted Jim Crow laws became Republican, not Democrat. And now the Republicans are bringing back Jim Crow laws. Funny how both political parties are or were in favor of blacks not voting.


Uh, the turning point there, if you recall, was (kumbaya
warning) Lyndon Johnson and Everett Dirksen who, over the
kicking and screaming democrat party passed the mid-1960s
statutes to enforce the 14th Amendment.

Would you be so kind as to point out one example of 'modern
jim crow' laws promulgated by Republicans? Bull Connor,
Lester Maddox, Mr Clinton's mentor Orville Faubus, Robert
KKK Byrd don't count. They lived and died as Democrat Party
stalwarts. The myth 'Nixon turned Democrat racists into
Republican racists' doesn't hold water although oft repeated.

Perhaps you were confused by The Present Occupant who ran
off at the mouth in a series of lies about GA and IA voting
statutes. Both States close polls at 7pm, unlike Mr Biden's
DE where polls close at 5. Maybe he's more confused than
some would care to admit. Or is it blatant disinformation?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 9:19:46 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/3/2021 3:40 AM, wrote:
On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Frank, you can continue with your lying whenever you are proven wrong. That is what you do. You answered the last comment I made. The fact is that this country has lost ground under every single Democrat with the exception of John F. Kennedy. That is why the Democrat HAD to get rid of him. He wasn't an elitist and he wasn't a racist and those two points DEFINE a Democrat. The entire Democrat Party backed Roosevelt up when he wouldn't desegregate the military and when he put Americans of Japanese descents not just in concentration camps, but didn't even allow them access to proper medical care. If you were alive at that time there is no doubt that you would bend over backward to endorse him.


Rewriting history, or even taking credit for historical events, does not work well. Trump frequently compared himself to Lincoln. He wanted to add himself to Mt. Rushmore up there with Lincoln. As you may or may not recall, Lincoln was the first Republican elected President back in 1860. He freed the slaves and allowed them to vote by making them citizens of the USA. Now Trump and all the Republicans in state houses across the country are trying to take the right to vote from them. But during the time after the Civil War up until the 1970s, the Democrats in the southern states enacted Jim Crow laws to make it impossible for blacks to vote. Democrats! But since about Nixon to today, the southern states who enacted Jim Crow laws became Republican, not Democrat. And now the Republicans are bringing back Jim Crow laws. Funny how both political parties are or were in favor of blacks not voting.

Uh, the turning point there, if you recall, was (kumbaya
warning) Lyndon Johnson and Everett Dirksen who, over the
kicking and screaming democrat party passed the mid-1960s
statutes to enforce the 14th Amendment.

Would you be so kind as to point out one example of 'modern
jim crow' laws promulgated by Republicans? Bull Connor,
Lester Maddox, Mr Clinton's mentor Orville Faubus, Robert
KKK Byrd don't count. They lived and died as Democrat Party
stalwarts. The myth 'Nixon turned Democrat racists into
Republican racists' doesn't hold water although oft repeated.

Perhaps you were confused by The Present Occupant who ran
off at the mouth in a series of lies about GA and IA voting
statutes. Both States close polls at 7pm, unlike Mr Biden's
DE where polls close at 5. Maybe he's more confused than
some would care to admit. Or is it blatant disinformation?

I've never been able to understand the far leftists like Russell. He will say absolutely anything to forgive the hard racist, sexist and class warfare of the Democrat Party. Both parties WERE NOT in favor of blacks not voting.. There were so many blacks in the south that if they voted, they would overwhelm the southern Democrat Party. So they insisted on counting blacks as only 2/3rds of a person. That made them unable to vote. The North went along with this for two reasons, 1. If they counted all of the blacks as a full person the south would have full control of the House of Representatives and 2. The South threatened to leave the union if they were not allowed to maintain slavery. Lincoln said, "If I could save the Union without freeing a single slave I would do so." But the South no longer trusted the North because the Democrats have never been very bright. Industrialization was very close to making slavery more expensive than buying automation. The Cotton Gin was the first sign that slavery was collapsing. And the only major need for slaves were in the Texas cotton fields.

But I suppose when you haven't the slightest knowledge of real history you are willing to take the Slime Stream Media's word for anything.