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On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:00:28 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 1:23:02 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 4/12/2021 11:16 AM, wrote:

snip
But you are not an engineer. I'm guessing to be an official engineer,
you have to have a college degree in one of the engineering fields.
Like Jay has an official Juris Doctorate degree so he can officially
call himself a lawyer. A good analogy would be Bill Gates. 4th richest
person on earth. But he does not have a college degree. He probably has
a bunch of honorary degrees but those don't count. Bill cannot say he
is a college graduate. Because he is not. Now obviously that probably
means zip to him. You are not an engineer but Frank is. Despite all the
engineering accomplishments you have achieved in your life.
True, Tom is not an engineer. But it is true that there are individuals
that can perform engineering related tasks that lack a degree or
Professional Engineer license and they refer to themselves as engineers.

Using Jay as an example. I am sure I have read somewhere that it is
officially illegal to call yourself a lawyer, IF you do not have an
official law degree. Guessing there is something similar with MD
doctors. And PhD doctors too. You cannot call yourself a doctor if you
don't have the letters behind your name. I'm familiar with the CPA,
Certified Public Accountant. You have to pass the CPA test and take
continuing education classes to officially call yourself a CPA. CPA is
associated with accounting. Anyone can do accounting work and call
him/herself an accountant. No requirements at all. You probably don't
even have to know about balance sheets, income statements, statement of
cash flows, revenue, expense, journal entries, etc. It helps though.
You can call yourself an accountant if you want. But you cannot call yourself a CPA.

In California (as in many other jurisdictions), Tom could call himself an
engineer, but he can’t call himself a Professional Engineer, as that title
is reserved for those that are trained and licensed accordingly.

https://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/laws/pe_act.pdf

Certainly Ralph but "professional engineers" are almost entirely construction engineers for building government projects. In WW II a very large percentage of the aeronautical engineers were neither professional engineers nor degreed. Even up to fairly late aeronautical engineers only needed a degreed project leader. I was a project leader that did major work for the government and the subject of a degree of any kind never came up.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:28:58 PM UTC-5, News 2021 wrote:
You are the one that decided to insert yourself into this discussion
after that moron Frank chose to tell everyone I was lying about hitting
a tree branch because he could find street pictures of that area only 5
years old. So don't pretend that you have ever had any effect on the
world around you because I've spent my life doing just that whether it
was volunteering for the Air Force
volunteered? Didn't yo say you were drafted?

I am going to have to defend Tom on this one. Draft was only for the Army. Everyone who joined the Air Force, Marines, Navy were volunteers. I suspect some, many of them volunteered for the other services to avoid the worse fate of the Army. My Uncle volunteered for the Navy in the early 1970s to avoid being drafted by the Army. He did not have bone spurs or money for college. But the Navy trained him as a nurse and he received a paid for college degree afterwards.

Well, if you are referring to the "Draft" during WW II then you are
wrong as, if I remember correctly, to be "drafted" in those days only
meant that you were inducted into the military service and might be
assigned to any of the branches. I had an uncle that was "drafted"
into the Navy and served in the Seabees throughout WW II.

As for Tom being drafted then no he wasn't as when he joined the Air
Force the "Draft", as you say, only applied to those entering the
Army.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:36:21 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 1:23:02 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 4/12/2021 11:16 AM, wrote:

snip
But you are not an engineer. I'm guessing to be an official engineer, you have to have a college degree in one of the engineering fields. Like Jay has an official Juris Doctorate degree so he can officially call himself a lawyer. A good analogy would be Bill Gates. 4th richest person on earth. But he does not have a college degree. He probably has a bunch of honorary degrees but those don't count. Bill cannot say he is a college graduate. Because he is not. Now obviously that probably means zip to him. You are not an engineer but Frank is. Despite all the engineering accomplishments you have achieved in your life.
True, Tom is not an engineer. But it is true that there are individuals
that can perform engineering related tasks that lack a degree or
Professional Engineer license and they refer to themselves as engineers.
Using Jay as an example. I am sure I have read somewhere that it is officially illegal to call yourself a lawyer, IF you do not have an official law degree. Guessing there is something similar with MD doctors. And PhD doctors too. You cannot call yourself a doctor if you don't have the letters behind your name. I'm familiar with the CPA, Certified Public Accountant. You have to pass the CPA test and take continuing education classes to officially call yourself a CPA. CPA is associated with accounting. Anyone can do accounting work and call him/herself an accountant. No requirements at all. You probably don't even have to know about balance sheets, income statements, statement of cash flows, revenue, expense, journal entries, etc. It helps though. You can call yourself an accountant if you want. But you cannot call yourself a CPA.
You get funnier by the second. You do NOT need a law degree to practice law. You need a law license and anyone that wants to study and pass the exam can practice law. The same with a CPA - you have to pass an examination and plenty of CPA's do not have a degree and many that work for very large companies.

You're wrong. You need a law degree to practice in Oregon and most states. A few states, including California, allow you to "read the law," viz., serve a structured apprenticeship. In NO state can you just pass the bar exam and practice law.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:10:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 5:00:40 PM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 10:59:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
Folks, I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that Tom is
well into dementia. It's sad, and I'm not joking.

In his post about 33 lines above he said "Half of this scientific world
has been changed by the things I have done." But at the end of the
quoted material just above he said "Your world must certainly be small
if what I did seems to you to be the half of the scientific world."

So he can't remember what he very recently said. This example is far
from unique.

I don't know how to deal with someone whose mind is slipping and who
spouts nonsense. I've read that with a family member, one tactic is to
say "Yes, and... " then pivot the conversation to something pleasant and
distracting. Pretend to agree, then deflect. But I can't see that
working here.

Is there a psychologist or therapist in the audience? Again, I'm serious.
At this remove, neither psychology nor therapy is possible, and if it
were possible, it would not be appropriate.

There is nothing to do but to fall back on common courtesy. When
Tommy says something sensible, respond to it. When he burbles word
salad, pretend not to notice.

And don't feel obliged to read every single post. Nobody knows you
are present until you say something, so feigning interest is not only
not required, but rude.

So now you too are assuming that this group of people who almost entirely have no business even being on a technical group have something of value to say about high tech bicycles when they all ride 1950 Schwinn's?

Andrew and Roger and Jay at least have something to say but you think that FRANK? whose donation to this site was that I was lying about being hit in the head by a limb of a tree grown out into the bike lane and covered so thoroughly with leaves that it was unseen and his "proof" of that preposterous statement was a picture from google earth 5 years or more old? This is what you believe to be babble on my part when I think that sort of thing from a large number here is misplaced?

You just placed yourself in that category yourself.

But Tommy boy, you tell so many lies that it is difficult to determine
whether you are telling the truth or not.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:00:28 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 1:23:02 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 4/12/2021 11:16 AM, wrote:

snip
But you are not an engineer. I'm guessing to be an official engineer,
you have to have a college degree in one of the engineering fields.
Like Jay has an official Juris Doctorate degree so he can officially
call himself a lawyer. A good analogy would be Bill Gates. 4th richest
person on earth. But he does not have a college degree. He probably has
a bunch of honorary degrees but those don't count. Bill cannot say he
is a college graduate. Because he is not. Now obviously that probably
means zip to him. You are not an engineer but Frank is. Despite all the
engineering accomplishments you have achieved in your life.
True, Tom is not an engineer. But it is true that there are individuals
that can perform engineering related tasks that lack a degree or
Professional Engineer license and they refer to themselves as engineers.

Using Jay as an example. I am sure I have read somewhere that it is
officially illegal to call yourself a lawyer, IF you do not have an
official law degree. Guessing there is something similar with MD
doctors. And PhD doctors too. You cannot call yourself a doctor if you
don't have the letters behind your name. I'm familiar with the CPA,
Certified Public Accountant. You have to pass the CPA test and take
continuing education classes to officially call yourself a CPA. CPA is
associated with accounting. Anyone can do accounting work and call
him/herself an accountant. No requirements at all. You probably don't
even have to know about balance sheets, income statements, statement of
cash flows, revenue, expense, journal entries, etc. It helps though.
You can call yourself an accountant if you want. But you cannot call yourself a CPA.

In California (as in many other jurisdictions), Tom could call himself an
engineer, but he can’t call himself a Professional Engineer, as that title
is reserved for those that are trained and licensed accordingly.

https://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/laws/pe_act.pdf

Certainly Ralph but "professional engineers" are almost entirely
construction engineers for building government projects. In WW II a very
large percentage of the aeronautical engineers were neither professional
engineers nor degreed. Even up to fairly late aeronautical engineers only
needed a degreed project leader. I was a project leader that did major
work for the government and the subject of a degree of any kind never came up.


Yeah, but that world is shrinking. Any time that public safety could be at
risk, you are going to find requirements for a PE to sign off. In fact, the
link you posted elsewhere (
https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe ) basically says the same
thing.

In my jurisdiction, the government has recently enacted legislation
expanding the regulation of engineers, geoscientists, technologists and a
couple of other fields. So you may not live to see it, but it’s going to be
harder and harder for alternatively educated, unlicensed practitioners of
engineering to earn a living, because at some point, either the government
or your clients are going to start asking that your work be sealed by a
PEng.

https://professionalgovernancebc.ca/...overnance-act/

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 15:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 11:48:36 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:28:58 PM UTC-5, News 2021 wrote:
You are the one that decided to insert yourself into this discussion
after that moron Frank chose to tell everyone I was lying about hitting
a tree branch because he could find street pictures of that area only 5
years old. So don't pretend that you have ever had any effect on the
world around you because I've spent my life doing just that whether it
was volunteering for the Air Force
volunteered? Didn't yo say you were drafted?

I am going to have to defend Tom on this one. Draft was only for the Army. Everyone who joined the Air Force, Marines, Navy were volunteers. I suspect some, many of them volunteered for the other services to avoid the worse fate of the Army. My Uncle volunteered for the Navy in the early 1970s to avoid being drafted by the Army. He did not have bone spurs or money for college. But the Navy trained him as a nurse and he received a paid for college degree afterwards.
I know you love to use that "bone spurs" bull**** that Trump used to stay on the good side of Hollywood but you couldn't have a medical release from the draft without being first drafted and such a release would NOT come from a private doctor but a military doctor. Plainly you are unaware that since Trump went to a military academy and had a four year degree, he could NOT have been drafted but would have been commissioned into a service chronically short of officers. Would you mind telling me where you get all of this mythology that is used by the left simply because they don't care WHAT they say?

Tommy boy, you got it wrong again Trump went to the New York Military
Academy which describes itself as "a college preparatory, co-ed
boarding school in the rural town of Cornwall". It is not associated
with the U.S. military in any manner and students are not awarded a
commission in any branch of the U.S. military.

As for his last deferment Trump himself stated that "“I had a doctor
that gave me a letter — a very strong letter on the heels,”.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 1:23:02 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 4/12/2021 11:16 AM, wrote:

snip
But you are not an engineer. I'm guessing to be an official engineer, you have to have a college degree in one of the engineering fields. Like Jay has an official Juris Doctorate degree so he can officially call himself a lawyer. A good analogy would be Bill Gates. 4th richest person on earth. But he does not have a college degree. He probably has a bunch of honorary degrees but those don't count. Bill cannot say he is a college graduate. Because he is not. Now obviously that probably means zip to him. You are not an engineer but Frank is. Despite all the engineering accomplishments you have achieved in your life.
True, Tom is not an engineer. But it is true that there are individuals
that can perform engineering related tasks that lack a degree or
Professional Engineer license and they refer to themselves as engineers.
Using Jay as an example. I am sure I have read somewhere that it is officially illegal to call yourself a lawyer, IF you do not have an official law degree. Guessing there is something similar with MD doctors. And PhD doctors too. You cannot call yourself a doctor if you don't have the letters behind your name. I'm familiar with the CPA, Certified Public Accountant. You have to pass the CPA test and take continuing education classes to officially call yourself a CPA. CPA is associated with accounting. Anyone can do accounting work and call him/herself an accountant. No requirements at all. You probably don't even have to know about balance sheets, income statements, statement of cash flows, revenue, expense, journal entries, etc. It helps though. You can call yourself an accountant if you want. But you cannot call yourself a CPA.
You get funnier by the second. You do NOT need a law degree to practice law. You need a law license and anyone that wants to study and pass the exam can practice law. The same with a CPA - you have to pass an examination and plenty of CPA's do not have a degree and many that work for very large companies.


Wrong AGAIN. Tommy boy you are batting 1,000.

No state will certify anyone for a "law License" without either a
collage degree or proof of an apprenticeship under a qualified lawyer.
California, for example, requires "Study in a law office for four
years under the supervision of an attorney with at least five years of
active law practice in California. The study must involve 18 hours per
week, with five hours directly supervised, in addition to monthly
exams and bi-annual progress reports submitted to the California State
Bar."
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 5:36:21 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 1:23:02 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 4/12/2021 11:16 AM, wrote:

snip
But you are not an engineer. I'm guessing to be an official engineer, you have to have a college degree in one of the engineering fields. Like Jay has an official Juris Doctorate degree so he can officially call himself a lawyer. A good analogy would be Bill Gates. 4th richest person on earth. But he does not have a college degree. He probably has a bunch of honorary degrees but those don't count. Bill cannot say he is a college graduate. Because he is not. Now obviously that probably means zip to him. You are not an engineer but Frank is. Despite all the engineering accomplishments you have achieved in your life.
True, Tom is not an engineer. But it is true that there are individuals
that can perform engineering related tasks that lack a degree or
Professional Engineer license and they refer to themselves as engineers.
Using Jay as an example. I am sure I have read somewhere that it is officially illegal to call yourself a lawyer, IF you do not have an official law degree. Guessing there is something similar with MD doctors. And PhD doctors too. You cannot call yourself a doctor if you don't have the letters behind your name. I'm familiar with the CPA, Certified Public Accountant. You have to pass the CPA test and take continuing education classes to officially call yourself a CPA. CPA is associated with accounting. Anyone can do accounting work and call him/herself an accountant. No requirements at all. You probably don't even have to know about balance sheets, income statements, statement of cash flows, revenue, expense, journal entries, etc. It helps though. You can call yourself an accountant if you want. But you cannot call yourself a CPA.
You get funnier by the second. You do NOT need a law degree to practice law. You need a law license and anyone that wants to study and pass the exam can practice law. The same with a CPA - you have to pass an examination and plenty of CPA's do not have a degree and many that work for very large companies.

Wrong, again. See the links below.
https://www.becker.com/cpa-review/iowa-cpa-requirements

https://nasba.org/exams/cpaexam/iowa/
Eligibility for Examination
As a first-time applicant, you must be of good moral character and reputation and meet ONE of the following degree and accounting concentration requirements:
Earned a graduate degree with a concentration in accounting from a program that is accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by the Board.
Earned a graduate degree in business from a program that is accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by the Board, and:
completed at least 24 semester hours in accounting with at least one course in each of the following: financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting – excluding elementary or principles level courses. Courses in internship or life experience are not acceptable.
Earned a baccalaureate degree in business or accounting from a program that is accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by the Board, and:
completed at least 24 semester hours in accounting with at least one course in each of the following: financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting – excluding elementary or principles level courses. Courses in internship or life experience are not acceptable.
Earned a baccalaureate or higher degree and completed the following hours from an accredited institution recognized by the Board, and:
completed at least 24 semester hours in accounting with at least one course in each of the following courses: financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting – excluding elementary or principles level courses. Courses in internship or life experience are not acceptable. And, completed at least 24 semester hours in business-related courses, such as: finance, management, marketing, economics, and business law. Courses in internship or life experience are not acceptable.

The "good moral character" reference is humorous.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:28:58 PM UTC-5, News 2021 wrote:
You are the one that decided to insert yourself into this discussion
after that moron Frank chose to tell everyone I was lying about hitting
a tree branch because he could find street pictures of that area only 5
years old. So don't pretend that you have ever had any effect on the
world around you because I've spent my life doing just that whether it
was volunteering for the Air Force
volunteered? Didn't yo say you were drafted?

I am going to have to defend Tom on this one. Draft was only for the Army. Everyone who joined the Air Force, Marines, Navy were volunteers. I suspect some, many of them volunteered for the other services to avoid the worse fate of the Army. My Uncle volunteered for the Navy in the early 1970s to avoid being drafted by the Army. He did not have bone spurs or money for college. But the Navy trained him as a nurse and he received a paid for college degree afterwards.
Well, if you are referring to the "Draft" during WW II then you are
wrong as, if I remember correctly, to be "drafted" in those days only
meant that you were inducted into the military service and might be
assigned to any of the branches. I had an uncle that was "drafted"
into the Navy and served in the Seabees throughout WW II.

As for Tom being drafted then no he wasn't as when he joined the Air
Force the "Draft", as you say, only applied to those entering the
Army.
--
Cheers,

John B.

I was referring only to the Vietnam war. Not WW2. During WW2 I suspect each military branch did drafts for everyone eligible. No college deferment or bone spurs allowed. But I am only talking about Vietnam. The most relevant for almost everyone alive today. WW2 ended 75 years ago. There are not many WW2 veterans still alive today. They are all in their 90s. Vietnam vets are only in their 60s and up.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:29:44 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:28:58 PM UTC-5, News 2021 wrote:
You are the one that decided to insert yourself into this discussion
after that moron Frank chose to tell everyone I was lying about hitting
a tree branch because he could find street pictures of that area only 5
years old. So don't pretend that you have ever had any effect on the
world around you because I've spent my life doing just that whether it
was volunteering for the Air Force
volunteered? Didn't yo say you were drafted?

I am going to have to defend Tom on this one. Draft was only for the Army. Everyone who joined the Air Force, Marines, Navy were volunteers. I suspect some, many of them volunteered for the other services to avoid the worse fate of the Army. My Uncle volunteered for the Navy in the early 1970s to avoid being drafted by the Army. He did not have bone spurs or money for college. But the Navy trained him as a nurse and he received a paid for college degree afterwards.
Well, if you are referring to the "Draft" during WW II then you are
wrong as, if I remember correctly, to be "drafted" in those days only
meant that you were inducted into the military service and might be
assigned to any of the branches. I had an uncle that was "drafted"
into the Navy and served in the Seabees throughout WW II.

As for Tom being drafted then no he wasn't as when he joined the Air
Force the "Draft", as you say, only applied to those entering the
Army.
--
Cheers,

John B.

I was referring only to the Vietnam war. Not WW2. During WW2 I suspect each military branch did drafts for everyone eligible. No college deferment or bone spurs allowed. But I am only talking about Vietnam. The most relevant for almost everyone alive today. WW2 ended 75 years ago. There are not many WW2 veterans still alive today. They are all in their 90s. Vietnam vets are only in their 60s and up.

Re WW II, there was one draft which covered the entire military
service. But once "drafted" one was assigned to a specific branch of
the service.

In Vietnam days, you are correct, Draft meant the army. the other
services got those who didn't want the army and so enlisted in
whatever branch they wanted.
--
Cheers,

John B.