Crazy eBay offers

On 4/10/2021 8:55 AM, wrote:

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I don't know. The somewhat high price of $3500 for a used bike and complete lack of year of the bike or group does match up really well with Tom. And the San Leandro location of the seller. And his description of the shipping matches his prior post about the real shipping cost being $156 + $174 = $330. I guess $330 equals $400 mentioned in the eBay ad. Personally the math I learned in school never made $330 equal $400, but Tom didn't go to school.

Not sure who he's using for shipping. The last time I shipped a bike,
from California to Minnesota, I checked online for shipping costs for
the size and weight of the box. FedEx Ground was much less expensive
than UPS Ground and I just took it to the FedEx office a half mile from
my house. If he's paying that much for shipping I suspect that he's
using UPS. My experience was years ago and perhaps the price difference
has narrowed.

But the really questionable part is the ad has this quote "Di2 shifting is absolutely the best." Now we all know Tom has posted many, many, many times about how awful and terrible and horrible Di2 is. So this would be an outright lie. And we know Tom/Trump does not lie!

LOL, the real question is does Tom/Trump ever tell the truth! But
actually, Di2, factory installed, does shift really well. A kludged Di2
setup maybe not so well.

On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 3:47:55 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
You and Jay arguing with posters like Tom reminds me of the alleged Mark
Twain quote, “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to
their level and beat you with experience.� Why don't you just filter him
out, as most of us have done, and spend the time doing something more
productive.

Because its fun and entertaining! Me, Jeff, Jay know we are not going to convince Tom he is wrong. But its still fun to argue.

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:27:41 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 4/10/2021 8:55 AM, wrote:
But the really questionable part is the ad has this quote "Di2 shifting is absolutely the best." Now we all know Tom has posted many, many, many times about how awful and terrible and horrible Di2 is. So this would be an outright lie. And we know Tom/Trump does not lie!
LOL, the real question is does Tom/Trump ever tell the truth! But
actually, Di2, factory installed, does shift really well. A kludged Di2
setup maybe not so well.

I own a 7970 Di2 equipped bike. Set up and installed by Me, Myself, and I. And it shifts perfectly times ten.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:14:58 -0700, sms
wrote:

You can Google the closeout sales for the Emonda SL6 for 2019. The first
result I got the shop was selling the 2019 Emonda SL6 Pro for $3199.99.

Searching the sold items on eBay that match "trek emonda 2019 sl6"
might yield a better asking price estimate:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=trek+emonda+2019+sl6&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH _Sold=1&LH_Complete=1
Unfortunately, eBay does not list the actual selling price when the
seller accepts a lower offer.

$100 to $150 shipping seems to be the typical shipping charges,
although Tom's 60cm frame:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Trek-Emonda-60-cm-Ultegra-Di2/294106726321
allegedly requires paying an oversize surcharge. I could not find
another 60 cm Emonda that sold on eBay. However, a slightly smaller
58cm Emonda SL6 was shipped for $100:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Trek-Emonda-SL-6-Disc-Pro-Size-58-cm/114657192614
It might be worthwhile sending email to the seller and asking him what
service he used for shipping.

Incidentally, among Tom's eBay seller feedback at:
https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/tomk37?filter=feedback_page:RECEIVED_AS_SELLER
he sold a "Colnago Dream HP 58 cm c-c" for something less than the
$1,100 asking price to what seems to be a rather satisfied buyer:
"Great seller! Knows his cycling gear and all was as
described and very helpful."

On the topic of large frames, I bought this Specialized Stumpjumper
for about $40 at a local thrift shop. I forgot the frame size. It
was far too large for me, but I thought I could salvage the
components. I then spent few years trying to decide what to do with
it. One day, a friend arrived with her new 6 ft something tall
boyfriend in tow. He begged me to sell him the bicycle as he was
having no luck finding a cheap large frame bicycle in his size. Just
one problem. He was flat broke and deep in debt. So, I gave it to
him (after catching up on the deferred maintenance). I later
regretted that decision when I discovered that there is a small but
well paying market for very large size bicycles. Oh well.

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 7:45:33 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 9:33:38 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:45:00 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:
NO, NO, NO. Your bike is not an SRL. SLR is a whole other frame. Different carbon lay-up and different cable arrangement -- lighter and way more expensive. https://www.sefiles.net/images/libra...-305211-14.jpg Look at the f***** label on your bike: SL6. This is not brain surgery. Do you not look at any of the links I posted (rhetorical question). Go back to the video I posted. That is your goddamned bike. WAKE UP!
-- Jay Beattie.
Photo of the label from Tom's eBay listing:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cYkAAOSwUH1gbHtt/s-l1600.jpg
So it is written, so it must be.
That's my simple point. This is not a matter of guessing or opinion. I don't want people thinking that their rim-brake SLs are SLRs. It's a different frame. Both fine frames, but one is finer.
Jay, they advertise the Trek Emonda SLR as "insanely light at 640 grams" Those weight measurements are usually for the smallest size and THAT weight is 1.4 lbs. My 60 cm frame and seatpost were 2 lbs. Why don't you go out and pay almost $4,000 for that insanely light bike. Much to my surprise I have been unable to tell the difference in a 16 lb. bike and a 20 lb bike. I suppose you could in a 20 mile climb but hard 20 mile climbs aren't that common anywhere.

Like I've said, I own a SLR 6 Project One Race Shop frame, but I got employee pricing from Trek. I would never pay list for a bike of that caliber -- or any bike. I love it, but my son's SL6 was also a fine bike. The Emonda is a great bike. I can tell the difference between the Trek and my heavier Synapse, which is actually a stiffer bike -- which is odd for an "endurance" bike. Both kick the snot out of my commuter -- which is a soul-sucking pig. My last purchase was my wife's Specialized Vado, which I got courtesy of my son. My wife kicks my ass on that bike. I was doing a full sprint to hang on her up the last hill to our house and just let her go on the steep stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-eQ...alizedBicycles

-- Jay Beattie.

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 9:42:54 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 3:47:55 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
You and Jay arguing with posters like Tom reminds me of the alleged Mark
Twain quote, “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to
their level and beat you with experience.� Why don't you just filter him
out, as most of us have done, and spend the time doing something more
productive.
Because its fun and entertaining! Me, Jeff, Jay know we are not going to convince Tom he is wrong. But its still fun to argue.

I don't know if fun is the right word, and Sir is certainly correct that we shouldn't -- but I do have an need to make sure the record is correct on technical issues relating to bikes so it is is not misleading to someone Googling with a similar problem. As for politics, it is just argument, but again, the facts should be correct -- although facts seem malleable when it comes to politics. That's not true when it comes to bike parts. An Italian BB will not fit an ISO BB, even with a big hammer.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 4/10/2021 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:27:41 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 4/10/2021 8:55 AM, wrote:
But the really questionable part is the ad has this quote "Di2 shifting is absolutely the best." Now we all know Tom has posted many, many, many times about how awful and terrible and horrible Di2 is. So this would be an outright lie. And we know Tom/Trump does not lie!
LOL, the real question is does Tom/Trump ever tell the truth! But
actually, Di2, factory installed, does shift really well. A kludged Di2
setup maybe not so well.

I own a 7970 Di2 equipped bike. Set up and installed by Me, Myself, and I. And it shifts perfectly times ten.

Yes, properly installed after-market stuff is fine when you're not
kludging together incompatible parts. I installed disc brakes on my
mountain bike and they work fine since the wheels and frame were setup
for discs already (it's an old Marin Bear Valley).

But remember, Tom is not an engineer and he doesn't have the same
mindset when it comes to mechanical or electrical devices.

On 4/10/2021 10:18 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

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On the topic of large frames, I bought this Specialized Stumpjumper
for about $40 at a local thrift shop. I forgot the frame size. It
was far too large for me, but I thought I could salvage the
components. I then spent few years trying to decide what to do with
it. One day, a friend arrived with her new 6 ft something tall
boyfriend in tow. He begged me to sell him the bicycle as he was
having no luck finding a cheap large frame bicycle in his size. Just
one problem. He was flat broke and deep in debt. So, I gave it to
him (after catching up on the deferred maintenance). I later
regretted that decision when I discovered that there is a small but
well paying market for very large size bicycles. Oh well.

You were a mensch. Don't feel bad!

On 4/10/2021 10:39 AM, jbeattie wrote:

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...I do have an need to make sure the record is correct on technical issues relating to bikes so it is is not misleading to someone Googling with a similar problem.

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I found a cartoon of you online:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G8jGWro58YIrmgmJE7i0nPS5jYlGPTVC/

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:47:54 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/9/2021 12:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

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This mind dead idiot tried the link you posted and found that it wants
me to login to Craigslist. Of course your "old" listings would appear
if you logged in first. Try logging out and tell us what you see.
Otherwise, the public link to your Emonda at:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-2018-trek-emonda-sl6-with/7284847343.html
shows a message that you deleted the listing.

LOL, I don't think he realizes that the links for viewing a craigslist
listing, and managing the listing, are very different.

Well, he does now. It's a common problem. I like to use two
computers when I make changes to my web pile or online photo albums.
On one machine, I login to my site and do the necessary additions and
editing. On the other machine, I do NOT login and look at the results
as seen by the rest of the world. It's especially useful for Google
Photos (or whatever it's called this week), where I frequently screw
up the permissions for individual users and groups.

Let us know if you need help learning how Craigslist works and how to
post a photo on any of the major free photo album sites. We recommend
Flickr (free to 1000 photos):
https://www.flickr.com

You can also create a sub-directory on Google Drive, and upload and
share photos.

Yes, that's also a good alternative. I rather like Flickr because I
can post large high resolution photos, and let the viewer decide the
size to view.

I'll be out of service for a day or two while I recover from yet
another case of food poisoning from my own cooking. Time to destroy
the kitchen and sanitize or replace everything. You can tell us how
to do that after your next topic change.

You should fire that cook if he doesn't know how to safely cook stuff.

That's what everyone says. The only reason I'm still alive was that
before the pandemic, I was often eating at restaurants and diners. I'm
a lousy cook hate doing dishes. However, the pandemic has closed the
restaurants, take-out seems a little risky, and delivery is boring,
overpriced and of radically variable quality. Also, I live
sufficiently far away from civilization that the usual delivery
services decline to deliver. So, I'm forced to eat my own cooking
which is mostly nicrowaved and packaged in a can, bag, or box.
Diagnosing my own problem, my remaining possible culprits are an
allergy to something in pepperoni pizza, a gall bladder problem, a
refrigeration failure, or a kitchen sanitation (i.e. cutting board)
problem.

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however
improbable, must be the truth." Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Incidentally, I somehow lost 6 lbs in 2 days. Food poisoning is a
rather nasty and painful way to lose weight, but it does seem to work.
However, I wouldn't go so far as to recommend it.

You and Jay arguing with posters like Tom reminds me of the alleged Mark
Twain quote, “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to
their level and beat you with experience.” Why don't you just filter him
out, as most of us have done, and spend the time doing something more
productive.

If I had to justify my actions based on how useful or productive they
might be, I would never accomplish anything. I waste time and money
doing something I find entertaining quite often. Trying to convert
Tom into a reasonable person is what I do for entertainment. The
alternative would be Netflix or Disney, which I believe are less
entertaining. Also, if you've ever run a small business, arguing with
idiot employees, customers, and service providers, is a mandatory
skill. I assume politics is much the same. Arguing at his level is
not a problem for me. I consider it a major personal accomplishment
to be able to debate at all levels.

What makes arguing with Tom a suitable challenge is that unlike most
people, Tom is completely impervious to logic and oblivious to facts.
I've never had the honor of debating with somewhat like that and find
the challenge rather entertaining. It's much like target practice. I
take a shot at the target, and Tom moves the target. Shooting at a
fixed target is boring. A moving target is more fun.

I actually took Sir Ridesalot's advice and tried to ignore Tom. I
lasted about a week before I couldn't stand it any longer and felt
obligated to correct at least some of Tom's accumulated errors. I
might try ignoring him again later, but for now, the entertainment
value is too high to resist.



--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558