Basso Loto

On 2019-11-06 20:24, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:46:19 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-11-06 15:17, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg
wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It
seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it
apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the
ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond
Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it
again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder
coaters and expect them to get around to it around the
end of next week. I was not enthused about the original
colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red
highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue"
which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder
was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy
Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there
finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked
a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and
the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the
Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were
about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook
to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a
set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with
clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and
will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy.
And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the
Campy headset that was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep
carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and
on it took me three days to get that thing properly
centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in
a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your
rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road
bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in
copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks
and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and
there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then
again this greatly reduces the chance of them being
stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in
IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar.


So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud?
OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with
inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch...


No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain
than other mountain bikers on similar trails get.

Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other
cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out
of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them
link-by-link"?


I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they
don't even get 1000mi out of a chain.

What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you
using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the
pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional
cleaning and lubrication.


Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and
that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar.

It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these:

https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html

What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area
where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in
there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids,
drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump
the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or
the open space.



I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical
stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components,
bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked
on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may
cost me 0.1% in my average speed.

One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential
thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another
bike.

Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy
versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works
Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which
gets stolen first?


Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me,
steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed
their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get
them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy
one won't.

It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law
enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing
about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into
versus a manicured mansion.

Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy
versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me
like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point.


They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being
stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those
know if seasoned enough.

The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how
quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money
fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ...

Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily
liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to
particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including:
benzene,
formaldehyde,
acrolein, and
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs).

With all that what's a little extra?


We have one of those super-clean certified stoves that emits only a gram
of particulate matter per hour and no smoke. In fact, once when I was
cleaning the pellet stove vent I burned my arm while placing tools on
the chimney. I had forgotten that the wood stove was still going on the
other flue. The was absolutely no smell and I was standing right next to
the storm cap.

Well, there you go. Just dump the used cleaning fluid in the stove and
it will be magically destroyed with no harm to the atmosphere.


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-11-06 20:24, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:46:19 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-11-06 15:17, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg
wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It
seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it
apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the
ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond
Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it
again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder
coaters and expect them to get around to it around the
end of next week. I was not enthused about the original
colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red
highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue"
which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder
was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy
Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there
finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked
a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and
the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the
Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were
about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook
to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a
set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with
clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and
will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy.
And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the
Campy headset that was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep
carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and
on it took me three days to get that thing properly
centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in
a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your
rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road
bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in
copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks
and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and
there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then
again this greatly reduces the chance of them being
stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in
IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar.


So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud?
OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with
inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch...


No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain
than other mountain bikers on similar trails get.

Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other
cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out
of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them
link-by-link"?


I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they
don't even get 1000mi out of a chain.

What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you
using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the
pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional
cleaning and lubrication.


Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and
that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar.

It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these:

https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html

What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area
where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in
there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids,
drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump
the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or
the open space.



I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical
stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components,
bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked
on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may
cost me 0.1% in my average speed.

One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential
thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another
bike.

Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy
versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works
Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which
gets stolen first?


Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me,
steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed
their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get
them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy
one won't.

It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law
enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing
about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into
versus a manicured mansion.

Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy
versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me
like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point.


They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being
stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those
know if seasoned enough.

The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how
quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money
fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ...

Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily
liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to
particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including:
benzene,
formaldehyde,
acrolein, and
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs).

With all that what's a little extra?


We have one of those super-clean certified stoves that emits only a gram
of particulate matter per hour and no smoke. In fact, once when I was
cleaning the pellet stove vent I burned my arm while placing tools on
the chimney. I had forgotten that the wood stove was still going on the
other flue. The was absolutely no smell and I was standing right next to
the storm cap.

Well, there you go. Just dump the used cleaning fluid in the stove and
it will be magically destroyed with no harm to the atmosphere.


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their
house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand
mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap.

But you were bragging about a stove that "burned clean" so I assumed
that it actually did burn clean, and now you are telling me that it
doesn't burn clean?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into
the stove.

I burn a lot of kitchen grease.

But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late
twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney,
and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire
company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.)

We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a
proper stove chimney.

Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when
heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the
bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas.

--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it to fluff up a
Web forum.

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote:


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

That stench here comes from the kerosenes heaters.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their
house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand
mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap.

YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but
i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke
and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood).

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:55:28 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into
the stove.

I burn a lot of kitchen grease.

But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late
twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney,
and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire
company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.)

We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a
proper stove chimney.

Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when
heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the
bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas.

The technique used to be to put the stove across the room from the
chimney.Then run the stove pipe across the room, up near the ceiling,
so that you radiate heat not only from the stove but from 10 feet or
so of stovepipe. More heat from less stove wood.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 03:33:41 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their
house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand
mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap.

YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but
i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke
and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood).

Is that a treatment for use as fence posts?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:51:21 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 03:33:41 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their
house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand
mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap.

YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but
i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke
and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood).

Is that a treatment for use as fence posts?

Yep, play equipment, garden edging and everythig that is made of pine and
stuck in the ground. Puke green colour.

On 11/8/2019 7:51 AM, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:51:21 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 03:33:41 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their
house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand
mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap.

YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but
i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke
and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood).

Is that a treatment for use as fence posts?

Yep, play equipment, garden edging and everythig that is made of pine and
stuck in the ground. Puke green colour.


The modern (last 40 years or so) green treated pine has
copper based treatments. The previous more durable treatment
was an arsenic compound. AFAIK not cyanide in either.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 11/7/2019 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:55:28 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into
the stove.

I burn a lot of kitchen grease.

But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late
twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney,
and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire
company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.)

We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a
proper stove chimney.

Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when
heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the
bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas.

The technique used to be to put the stove across the room from the
chimney.Then run the stove pipe across the room, up near the ceiling,
so that you radiate heat not only from the stove but from 10 feet or
so of stovepipe. More heat from less stove wood.

One of my back-to-industry sabbaticals was in a little company that had
recently moved into a building that had been a car body shop. The only
heat was a gas fired hot pipe across the ceiling, with reflectors above
to shine the infra-red downward.

It was very comfortable under that hot pipe, even though it was about 15
feet up. The rest of the plant was chilly indeed.


--
- Frank Krygowski