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Basso Loto [OT]
On 2019-11-06 20:24, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:46:19 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-06 15:17, John B. wrote: On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they don't even get 1000mi out of a chain. What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional cleaning and lubrication. Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar. It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these: https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids, drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or the open space. I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me, steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy one won't. It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into versus a manicured mansion. Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point. They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those know if seasoned enough. The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ... Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including: benzene, formaldehyde, acrolein, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). With all that what's a little extra? We have one of those super-clean certified stoves that emits only a gram of particulate matter per hour and no smoke. In fact, once when I was cleaning the pellet stove vent I burned my arm while placing tools on the chimney. I had forgotten that the wood stove was still going on the other flue. The was absolutely no smell and I was standing right next to the storm cap. Well, there you go. Just dump the used cleaning fluid in the stove and it will be magically destroyed with no harm to the atmosphere. That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Basso Loto [OT]
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-11-06 20:24, John B. wrote: On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:46:19 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-06 15:17, John B. wrote: On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they don't even get 1000mi out of a chain. What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional cleaning and lubrication. Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar. It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these: https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids, drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or the open space. I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me, steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy one won't. It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into versus a manicured mansion. Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point. They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those know if seasoned enough. The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ... Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including: benzene, formaldehyde, acrolein, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). With all that what's a little extra? We have one of those super-clean certified stoves that emits only a gram of particulate matter per hour and no smoke. In fact, once when I was cleaning the pellet stove vent I burned my arm while placing tools on the chimney. I had forgotten that the wood stove was still going on the other flue. The was absolutely no smell and I was standing right next to the storm cap. Well, there you go. Just dump the used cleaning fluid in the stove and it will be magically destroyed with no harm to the atmosphere. That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap. But you were bragging about a stove that "burned clean" so I assumed that it actually did burn clean, and now you are telling me that it doesn't burn clean? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into the stove. I burn a lot of kitchen grease. But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney, and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.) We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a proper stove chimney. Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas. -- joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ The above message is a Usenet post. I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it to fluff up a Web forum. |
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On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote:
That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. That stench here comes from the kerosenes heaters. |
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On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap. YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood). |
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On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:55:28 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into the stove. I burn a lot of kitchen grease. But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney, and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.) We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a proper stove chimney. Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas. The technique used to be to put the stove across the room from the chimney.Then run the stove pipe across the room, up near the ceiling, so that you radiate heat not only from the stove but from 10 feet or so of stovepipe. More heat from less stove wood. -- cheers, John B. |
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Basso Loto [OT]
On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 03:33:41 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote: On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap. YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood). Is that a treatment for use as fence posts? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:51:21 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 03:33:41 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap. YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood). Is that a treatment for use as fence posts? Yep, play equipment, garden edging and everythig that is made of pine and stuck in the ground. Puke green colour. |
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On 11/8/2019 7:51 AM, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:51:21 +0700, John B. wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 03:33:41 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap. YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood). Is that a treatment for use as fence posts? Yep, play equipment, garden edging and everythig that is made of pine and stuck in the ground. Puke green colour. The modern (last 40 years or so) green treated pine has copper based treatments. The previous more durable treatment was an arsenic compound. AFAIK not cyanide in either. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 11/7/2019 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:55:28 -0500, Joy Beeson wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into the stove. I burn a lot of kitchen grease. But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney, and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.) We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a proper stove chimney. Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas. The technique used to be to put the stove across the room from the chimney.Then run the stove pipe across the room, up near the ceiling, so that you radiate heat not only from the stove but from 10 feet or so of stovepipe. More heat from less stove wood. One of my back-to-industry sabbaticals was in a little company that had recently moved into a building that had been a car body shop. The only heat was a gas fired hot pipe across the ceiling, with reflectors above to shine the infra-red downward. It was very comfortable under that hot pipe, even though it was about 15 feet up. The rest of the plant was chilly indeed. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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