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Old May 25th 19, 11:35 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Thieving Hull cyclist caught with the aid of a passing motorist

On 24/05/2019 22:45, Simon Jester wrote:

You did not make any point. All you did was cite an article. In your
sad, lonely world you think this means all cyclists are burglars.


....and that one "passing motorist" being a good samaritan means all must be.

Or trying to suggest that burglars would find a car makes a more
practical getaway vehicle. A policeman wouldn't think about running
after you when you can do 85mph in a 30 limit. Besides, breaking a speed
limit is not really law breaking whereas riding a bicycle on the
pavement is the epitomy of evil.
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Old May 25th 19, 02:32 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 11:35:41 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/05/2019 22:45, Simon Jester wrote:

You did not make any point. All you did was cite an article. In your
sad, lonely world you think this means all cyclists are burglars.


...and that one "passing motorist" being a good samaritan means all must be.

Or trying to suggest that burglars would find a car makes a more
practical getaway vehicle. A policeman wouldn't think about running
after you when you can do 85mph in a 30 limit. Besides, breaking a speed
limit is not really law breaking whereas riding a bicycle on the
pavement is the epitomy of evil.


This driver only got 3 points for driving over a child, then attempting to scarper afterwards!

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...riving-2905907
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Old May 25th 19, 03:59 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Thieving Hull cyclist caught with the aid of a passing motorist

On 25/05/2019 14:32, Simon Mason wrote:
On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 11:35:41 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/05/2019 22:45, Simon Jester wrote:

You did not make any point. All you did was cite an article. In your
sad, lonely world you think this means all cyclists are burglars.


...and that one "passing motorist" being a good samaritan means all must be.

Or trying to suggest that burglars would find a car makes a more
practical getaway vehicle. A policeman wouldn't think about running
after you when you can do 85mph in a 30 limit. Besides, breaking a speed
limit is not really law breaking whereas riding a bicycle on the
pavement is the epitomy of evil.


This driver only got 3 points for driving over a child, then attempting to scarper afterwards!

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...riving-2905907


QUOTE:
A woman who ran over a seven-year-old boy did not have a driving licence.
ENDQUOTE

So other than being a pedestrian, she was only qualified to be a cyclist.

QUOTE:
Miss Weatherill said: "She was given a lift back to Hornsea by the
police and we've been told she only had three points put on her licence.
She only had a provisional.
ENDQUOTE

Ah... so it's the good old "a mate of mine down the pub reckons..."
school of "facts".

First of all, is it "no licence" or "just a provisional"? The two are
not the same.

In reality, for a provisional licence-holder, driving without L plates
(PL10), driving without an accompanying qualified driver (LC10) and
driving (perforce) without the benefit of an insurance policy - whether
one theoretically exists or not - are all separate offences with penalty
point counts of between three (the L plates) and a minimum of six (no
effective insurance). It gets worse... most insurers will (rightly)
repudiate a claim made by anyone driving without a licence or outside
the terms of any licence they hold, so "no insurance" becomes an
automatic charge and is punished by most courts with a period of
disqualification and an exemplary fine (there is no upper limit on that
power of a court). Even if the offender escapes a ban, there is a
mandatory six points minimum penalty in addition to a fine.

And that's not even counting the probability of a DWDCAA summons.

But hey... why bother with reality? It's more fun to pretend that
dangerous, careless and inconsiderate offenders escape without effective
penalty, isn't it?

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Old May 26th 19, 05:35 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 3:59:40 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
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Old May 26th 19, 09:17 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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JNugent wrote:

On 25/05/2019 14:32, Simon Mason wrote:
On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 11:35:41 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/05/2019 22:45, Simon Jester wrote:

You did not make any point. All you did was cite an article. In your
sad, lonely world you think this means all cyclists are burglars.

...and that one "passing motorist" being a good samaritan means all must be.

Or trying to suggest that burglars would find a car makes a more
practical getaway vehicle. A policeman wouldn't think about running
after you when you can do 85mph in a 30 limit. Besides, breaking a speed
limit is not really law breaking whereas riding a bicycle on the
pavement is the epitomy of evil.


This driver only got 3 points for driving over a child, then attempting to scarper afterwards!

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...riving-2905907


QUOTE:
A woman who ran over a seven-year-old boy did not have a driving licence.
ENDQUOTE

So other than being a pedestrian, she was only qualified to be a cyclist.

QUOTE:
Miss Weatherill said: "She was given a lift back to Hornsea by the
police and we've been told she only had three points put on her licence.
She only had a provisional.
ENDQUOTE

Ah... so it's the good old "a mate of mine down the pub reckons..."
school of "facts".


The reporter, and the publishers, of this story are really those who
should be held responsible for its content.

First of all, is it "no licence" or "just a provisional"? The two are
not the same.

In reality, for a provisional licence-holder, driving without L plates
(PL10), driving without an accompanying qualified driver (LC10) and
driving (perforce) without the benefit of an insurance policy - whether
one theoretically exists or not - are all separate offences with penalty
point counts of between three (the L plates) and a minimum of six (no
effective insurance). It gets worse... most insurers will (rightly)
repudiate a claim made by anyone driving without a licence or outside
the terms of any licence they hold, so "no insurance" becomes an
automatic charge and is punished by most courts with a period of
disqualification and an exemplary fine (there is no upper limit on that
power of a court). Even if the offender escapes a ban, there is a
mandatory six points minimum penalty in addition to a fine.

And that's not even counting the probability of a DWDCAA summons.

But hey... why bother with reality? It's more fun to pretend that
dangerous, careless and inconsiderate offenders escape without effective
penalty, isn't it?


The report was written by Sophie Corcoran, and it does her no credit.

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Old May 26th 19, 05:07 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 11:35:41 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/05/2019 22:45, Simon Jester wrote:

You did not make any point. All you did was cite an article. In your
sad, lonely world you think this means all cyclists are burglars.


...and that one "passing motorist" being a good samaritan means all must be.

Or trying to suggest that burglars would find a car makes a more
practical getaway vehicle. A policeman wouldn't think about running
after you when you can do 85mph in a 30 limit. Besides, breaking a speed
limit is not really law breaking whereas riding a bicycle on the
pavement is the epitomy of evil.


Yes, but motorists are highly trained and have encyclopaedic knowledge of the Highway Code.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS_WmVQo48s

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Old May 26th 19, 11:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Thieving Hull cyclist caught with the aid of a passing motorist

On 26/05/2019 17:07, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 11:35:41 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/05/2019 22:45, Simon Jester wrote:

You did not make any point. All you did was cite an article. In
your sad, lonely world you think this means all cyclists are
burglars.


...and that one "passing motorist" being a good samaritan means all
must be.

Or trying to suggest that burglars would find a car makes a more
practical getaway vehicle. A policeman wouldn't think about
running after you when you can do 85mph in a 30 limit. Besides,
breaking a speed limit is not really law breaking whereas riding a
bicycle on the pavement is the epitomy of evil.


Yes, but motorists are highly trained and have encyclopaedic
knowledge of the Highway Code.


Though I don't think their attention span gets them as far as rule 170.
The writers should reorder it so that rules 1 to 88 are moved to the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS_WmVQo48s


To be fair, whether the sequence was red to amber to green or red to red
plus amber to green doesn't make any practical difference so is
unnecessary information. It only matters in quiz shows.
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Old May 30th 19, 03:49 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 23:57:46 +0100
TMS320 wrote:

To be fair, whether the sequence was red to amber to green or red to
red plus amber to green doesn't make any practical difference so is
unnecessary information. It only matters in quiz shows.


No, it matters when you're approaching an amber light - does it mean
slam on the brakes because it's about to be red, or just lift off the
throttle because it's about to be green? Bearing in mind that the
amber before red means "stop", not "if you're lucky the red won't show
until you're over the line".

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Old May 30th 19, 09:05 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Thu, 30 May 2019 02:49:27 GMT, Rob Morley wrote:

On Sun, 26 May 2019 23:57:46 +0100
TMS320 wrote:

To be fair, whether the sequence was red to amber to green or red to
red plus amber to green doesn't make any practical difference so is
unnecessary information. It only matters in quiz shows.


No, it matters when you're approaching an amber light - does it mean
slam on the brakes because it's about to be red, or just lift off the
throttle because it's about to be green? Bearing in mind that the
amber before red means "stop", not "if you're lucky the red won't show
until you're over the line".


I'm not sure many box drivers know this.



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Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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Old May 30th 19, 10:03 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 30/05/2019 03:49, Rob Morley wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2019 23:57:46 +0100
TMS320 wrote:

To be fair, whether the sequence was red to amber to green or red to
red plus amber to green doesn't make any practical difference so is
unnecessary information. It only matters in quiz shows.


No, it matters when you're approaching an amber light - does it mean
slam on the brakes because it's about to be red, or just lift off the
throttle because it's about to be green?


Well, we know from experience that local authorities set the lights so
that 95% of time it will be necessary to stop...

It seems very unlikely you could be approaching and not see what
preceded it. The amber phase between red and green is very short so you
would need to be teleported to the spot in front of it.
 




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