I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Sarah at least is not a murderer like liberals are (abortion).
Why is it that right wingers care more about a 1 minute old embryo than
a 1 minute old baby. Seems wrong to me. I do not support abortion willy
nilly either.

A human life begins at conception. A woman should not **** if she does not
want a baby.

Now there's a platform that will be popular with Americans.

A man similarly should not **** if he does not want a baby.
What is there about this that you do not understand?

I don't believe a one cell egg is a human. Millions and millions of
fertilized eggs are silently removed with a womans cycle. Very few eggs
become human.

Saint Edward the Great is the last celibate in the known universe. That is
because He never wanted a baby and indeed would not mind if mankind perished
from this earth.

I believe that. It goes to the Republican motto: "I've got mine, screw you."

Now perhaps you get a glimmer of what is meant by frugal
living!

Well, we each have things we are proud of.

Jeff

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Everyone in the world believed
that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that he would use them
(as he had in the past). Apparently, only you ever believed otherwise.
Nope. The Germans warned repeatedly that Curveball (that's the basis of
the bio terror) was not to be relied on. In fact they never even talked to
him to check (US) as he was in Germany. All that came out of some
screwball report.

There was plenty of evidence that the aluminum tubes were completely
unsuited for centrifuges, and for multiple reasons. And there was plenty
of evidence for what they were really used for.

Have you ever thought of going to work for an intelligence agency? We badly
need those who are expert in hindsight.

That took no hindsight. What is clearly documented is that the OVP
took raw intelligence, something they had no training to analyze, and
believed what they wanted to believe and discarded what was
inconvenient. Only the "pro" was given to Powell.

Bill Sornson has posted many times what everyone was saying at the time.
But of course, liberals are never deterred by any facts.
I haven't seen a fact yet from you. I like facts. Show me one.

Only if you tell me how you are frugal. So far, all you have done is defend
big free spending liberal Dems.

I don't support free spending. You have yet to tell me what spending
you are talking about other than "all spending". Some spending is
always necessary and for the public good.

The spending that needs to be controlled the right has no plans or
desires to tackle. You defended the Medicare Drug Bill drug company
giveaway. That is the better part of a trillion dollars. I oppose that.
I oppose the Iraq War and it's trillion dollar cost. Not because I
oppose war, but because it was a fools errand.

I also oppose subsidizing rich farming conglomerates.

Now, there's over 2T I would have cut. What can you come up with?

All liberals know how
to do is spin, spin, spin and lie, lie, lie! And of course, hindsight is
always 20/20.
No spin, just the truth. I've posted references to what Clinton did,
what is in the budget, what W didn't do. And you have, nothing... but your
blind convictions.

Facts are the last refuge of a scoundrel. We can all pick and choose our
facts. Your liberal bias disqualifies you from having any credibility when
it comes to facts.

I have posted statistics that have their sources fully disclosed.

You have what? Your opinion?

You and Tom Sherman should get together. He only likes
his "liberal" facts too.

You think that any statistic you don't like is a liberal fact. And just
making something up is just as good because it is a "fact" from your side?

I see the same thing referenced to Fox Opinion shows. You give them
weight because you believe that an opinion is equal to something that
has journalistic news standards to uphold. Rush et all are noting but
opinion, if they make a mistake there is no journalists standard to
apply. They just go on about their business of making themselves rich
feeding tripe to a gullible audience. Hitler and Goebells did the same.

I will stick with Bill Sornson who at least knows a
fact when he sees one.

Based on purely belief.

I always look into sources, no matter which side the "fact" is on. You
certainly don't as you are admittedy going on blind faith.

Jeff



Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Iraq was the central battleground as long we we there. Even the Islamic
extremists agreed with that.
Hows that? There was no alQaeda in any part of Iraq that Saddam
controlled. There was only after we invaded. Get the difference?

There were other good and sufficient reasons for taking out Iraq.


So it had nothing to do with the real reason. And just what was that?

What justifies the loss of 4K Americans, 100's of thousand of innocent
civilians and the inexorable rise of Iran?

We got a lot at not much cost. Quite a bargain really.

Once we
invaded we got two for the price of one. Get the difference?

There is little benefit for the cost paid. Your reasons look like
accidents.

We got Iraq on our side.

What difference does it make whether we kill
them in Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan or anywhere else. The important
thing is to kill them wherever they are.
The crew in Iraq didn't exist before. Iraq turned into a huge
recruiting boost for alQaeda. One of the reasons, now that we are on the
way out, that their influence has fallen.

That is because we defeated them in Iraq, something that would never have
happened if liberal Dems had been in charge.

Wrong. The alQaeda threat in Pak remained, it didn't move to Iraq so we
could kill them there. It grew dramatically. You think alQaeda just got on
the bus and moved from Islamabad to Baghdad. Crazy. The amount of foreign
born alQaeda in Iraq was never more that 5% or so of alQaeda's strength.

The important thing is to kill them wherever they are.
[...]

Clinton never woke up from his slumbers. He treated them as criminals,
not Islamic terrorists that were at war with us.

Er, how was Richard Reid prosecuted under W? In fact there have been
many successful terrorist prosecution and absolutely none under a military
commission. You believe in a fairy tale.

Clinton needed to do more that lob a few missiles into Afghanistan. He need
to go after them like Bush did. Maybe 9/11 would never have happened if he
had.
[...]

Who cares how many Iraqis die for whatever reason.

Well that sums up your feelings doesn't it?

Yup, just the same as you.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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You are libearl idealogeu I cna't underatdn what yo ar edoign on frugal
lviing. Yo are abig spender jstu liek all liberasl are. Waht is frugal
about that?

You are so upset you can't even hit the right keys!

I never hit the right keys because I can't type. Amazing how it is still
readable though.

You are clueless because you only believe what you want, you haven't
really looked into anything other than to take someones word for it.

In fact I work at lowering my cost of living. I have a largely solar
heated home (all home made) and am currently making multiple layer mylar
insulating windows.

What good does it do to be frugal in your personal life when the country is
going to hell?
[...]

Jeez, I wonder where they ever got the term NAZI? Look it up!

So just because it has the word socialist it is the same as the USSR?
That is rather superficial, don't you think? I suppose North Korea is a
democracy because it is the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea?

Words matter. Hitler knew from what political spectrum he was coming even if
you don't.
[...]

Unlike Kerry, I think he [Sanford] always supported
this nation in its wars. Repubs are not treasonous *******s like liberal
Dems.

I remember Orin Hatch giving away military secrets. In fact there are far
more Democrats in Congress with military records than Republicans.

Military records don't count. What does count is patriotism, something that
liberal Dems don't seem to have a clue about.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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You like immoral *******s like Ted Kennedy. I don't. President Kennedy
was also a scofflaw and a terrible president who bungled the Cuban
invasion. Apparently only the Bushs know how to invade and win.

Er win? Democrats have actually won more wars in recent history than
Republicans. WWI, WWII, Korea, Kosovo all waged and won by democratic
presidents.

Yes, all Democratic wars, as Dole once characterized them. Maybe if we had
had more Repubs in office there would not have been so many wars nor would
they have ended so badly.

Seems to me that both Bushes left the Iraq war unfinished. And Nixon
bailed on Vietnam.

Wars drag on forever these days. Nixon had to bail on Vietnam because the
Dem Congress refused to support the war and cut off funding.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Sarah at least is not a murderer like liberals are (abortion).
Why is it that right wingers care more about a 1 minute old embryo
than a 1 minute old baby. Seems wrong to me. I do not support abortion
willy nilly either.

A human life begins at conception. A woman should not **** if she does
not want a baby.

Now there's a platform that will be popular with Americans.

A man similarly should not **** if he does not want a baby.
What is there about this that you do not understand?

I don't believe a one cell egg is a human. Millions and millions of
fertilized eggs are silently removed with a womans cycle. Very few eggs
become human.

What does a fertilized egg become if not a human being?

Saint Edward the Great is the last celibate in the known universe. That
is because He never wanted a baby and indeed would not mind if mankind
perished from this earth.

I believe that. It goes to the Republican motto: "I've got mine, screw
you."

But I don't got mine. I also took a vow of poverty. The only vow I never
took was one of obedience. When it comes to frugal-living, you haven't a
clue! You are just another big spending liberal Dem who does not give a damn
about indebtedness. Hey, let the next generation pay for my easy living.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Only if you tell me how you are frugal. So far, all you have done is
defend big free spending liberal Dems.

I don't support free spending. You have yet to tell me what spending you
are talking about other than "all spending". Some spending is always
necessary and for the public good.

The spending that needs to be controlled the right has no plans or
desires to tackle. You defended the Medicare Drug Bill drug company
giveaway. That is the better part of a trillion dollars. I oppose that. I
oppose the Iraq War and it's trillion dollar cost. Not because I oppose
war, but because it was a fools errand.

You can spend more money trying to avoid a war than you do by going to war.

I also oppose subsidizing rich farming conglomerates.

Now, there's over 2T I would have cut. What can you come up with?

Just cut all spending by a certain percentage. And keep on doing it until
the debt is eliminated.
[...]

You and Tom Sherman should get together. He only likes
his "liberal" facts too.

You think that any statistic you don't like is a liberal fact. And just
making something up is just as good because it is a "fact" from your side?

I see the same thing referenced to Fox Opinion shows. You give them
weight because you believe that an opinion is equal to something that has
journalistic news standards to uphold. Rush et all are noting but opinion,
if they make a mistake there is no journalists standard to apply. They
just go on about their business of making themselves rich feeding tripe to
a gullible audience. Hitler and Goebells did the same.

I recognize opinion when I see it. I also recognize facts and hard news when
I see it. I don't conflate the two.

Nevertheless, facts and hard news need interpretation and to be put in some
kind of context. If you don't do that, all you have got is confusion and
anarchy which no one can make any sense of. It is the business of
commentators to make sense of the facts and hard news. You have your
commentators and I have mine.

By the way, Rush at least is entertaining, something you can't claim for
that god damn ****ing Chris Matthews on MSNBC.

I will stick with Bill Sornson who at least knows a
fact when he sees one.

Based on purely belief.

I always look into sources, no matter which side the "fact" is on. You
certainly don't as you are admittedy going on blind faith.

I mostly have contempt for facts until they are put into some kind of
context. Facts on their own are like lost orphan children wandering in a
wilderness searching for an adult to save them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Iraq was the central battleground as long we we there. Even the Islamic
extremists agreed with that.
Hows that? There was no alQaeda in any part of Iraq that Saddam
controlled. There was only after we invaded. Get the difference?
There were other good and sufficient reasons for taking out Iraq.

So it had nothing to do with the real reason. And just what was that?

What justifies the loss of 4K Americans, 100's of thousand of innocent
civilians and the inexorable rise of Iran?

We got a lot at not much cost. Quite a bargain really.

That is One Trillion and that does not include all the cost of
replacing worn out and blown up equipment. And you never explained what
we got.

You are living a fantasy.

Once we
invaded we got two for the price of one. Get the difference?
There is little benefit for the cost paid. Your reasons look like
accidents.

We got Iraq on our side.

What difference does it make whether we kill
them in Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan or anywhere else. The important
thing is to kill them wherever they are.
The crew in Iraq didn't exist before. Iraq turned into a huge
recruiting boost for alQaeda. One of the reasons, now that we are on the
way out, that their influence has fallen.
That is because we defeated them in Iraq, something that would never have
happened if liberal Dems had been in charge.
Wrong. The alQaeda threat in Pak remained, it didn't move to Iraq so we
could kill them there. It grew dramatically. You think alQaeda just got on
the bus and moved from Islamabad to Baghdad. Crazy. The amount of foreign
born alQaeda in Iraq was never more that 5% or so of alQaeda's strength.

The important thing is to kill them wherever they are.
[...]

The important thing is not to breed them faster than we can kill kill
them. W years were banner years for alQaeda.

Clinton never woke up from his slumbers. He treated them as criminals,
not Islamic terrorists that were at war with us.
Er, how was Richard Reid prosecuted under W? In fact there have been
many successful terrorist prosecution and absolutely none under a military
commission. You believe in a fairy tale.

Clinton needed to do more that lob a few missiles into Afghanistan. He need
to go after them like Bush did. Maybe 9/11 would never have happened if he
had.
[...]

Ah, but he did. You didn't read a damn thing, did you?

Who cares how many Iraqis die for whatever reason.
Well that sums up your feelings doesn't it?

Yup, just the same as you.

That's what you think. I know people who have been there and not just
in the service.

Jeff

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
You are libearl idealogeu I cna't underatdn what yo ar edoign on frugal
lviing. Yo are abig spender jstu liek all liberasl are. Waht is frugal
about that?
You are so upset you can't even hit the right keys!

I never hit the right keys because I can't type. Amazing how it is still
readable though.

You are clueless because you only believe what you want, you haven't
really looked into anything other than to take someones word for it.

In fact I work at lowering my cost of living. I have a largely solar
heated home (all home made) and am currently making multiple layer mylar
insulating windows.

What good does it do to be frugal in your personal life when the country is
going to hell?

It's your boy W that sent us into the deepest recession since the
Great Depression.

The country is on the mend. Unless you are an unreasoning ideologue
who just has these feelings. It's really all personal to you anyways. I
mean, you have brought up all the names you hate, and not said one word
about any policy except that you agree that the top marginal rate should
go back to where it was. Which I agree on.

You are like Sarah, what do you like, "all of them". What do you
hate, all of them.

Does that not seem shallow and unthinking to you?

[...]

Jeez, I wonder where they ever got the term NAZI? Look it up!
So just because it has the word socialist it is the same as the USSR?
That is rather superficial, don't you think? I suppose North Korea is a
democracy because it is the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea?

Words matter.

They mattered a lot to your hero W. Trouble is, reality didn't.

Hitler knew from what political spectrum he was coming even if
you don't.
[...]

You are the only one who thinks that Hitler was just left of Stalin.

Unlike Kerry, I think he [Sanford] always supported
this nation in its wars. Repubs are not treasonous *******s like liberal
Dems.
I remember Orin Hatch giving away military secrets. In fact there are far
more Democrats in Congress with military records than Republicans.

Military records don't count. What does count is patriotism, something that
liberal Dems don't seem to have a clue about.

So, someone who believes as you do is patriotic, and someone who doesn't
is not? Sound like Stalin to me.

The VA went to holy hell under W, how is that patriotic?

Jeff


Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
You like immoral *******s like Ted Kennedy. I don't. President Kennedy
was also a scofflaw and a terrible president who bungled the Cuban
invasion. Apparently only the Bushs know how to invade and win.
Er win? Democrats have actually won more wars in recent history than
Republicans. WWI, WWII, Korea, Kosovo all waged and won by democratic
presidents.

Yes, all Democratic wars, as Dole once characterized them. Maybe if we had
had more Repubs in office there would not have been so many wars nor would
they have ended so badly.

We didn't start those wars. It was the republicans who did not want to
get involved in WWII. Traitors. So, you would have kept us out of WWII?
Amazing what a patriot you are.


Seems to me that both Bushes left the Iraq war unfinished. And Nixon
bailed on Vietnam.

Jeff


Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota