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On Jan 14, 9:09*am, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 14/01/2011 08:01, Doug wrote: On Jan 13, 6:04 pm, " *wrote: On Jan 13, 5:39 pm, *wrote: On Jan 13, 4:20 pm, " *wrote: On Jan 13, 4:14 pm, Tony *wrote: On 13/01/2011 14:47, Doug wrote: 250 Watt machines are legal on the continent and the British law on 200 Watt machines is/was under review. So it looks as if the decision has finally been made to standardise with the EU, Source (I'm not saying it is not possible) * * There was a consultation a year ago on the subject, http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/2010-02/ * * *I've no idea what has happened since then ... Well there will obviously have to be harmonisation. End of. * * You do wonder why they even spend money consulting, and updating when it's probably going to end up the same. It's not like there are budgetary considerations these days. If somebody else has done the work of coming up with some decent standards why not simply use them. What it amounts to is that our own governments are in the habit of coming up with crap laws and this is one very clear example. Why restrict a solo bike arbitrarily to 200 Watts while allowing a tandem 250 Watts? It's utterly ridiculous! Meanwhile manufacturers around the world have been churning out 250 W solos by the millions. Doug. It's funny how you argue about this being an arbitrarily limit that should be ignored, but then complain about other arbitrarily limits that are not sticked to.- Hide quoted text - Yes, according to Doug's argument, it's OK to do 37.5mph in the urban 30mph speed limit! Derek C |
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Doug wrote:
If laws are never enforced then they might just as well never exist, as in this case. Does that apply to ramming cyclists, Doug? BugBear |
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On Jan 14, 10:09*am, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 14/01/2011 08:01, Doug wrote: On Jan 13, 6:04 pm, " *wrote: On Jan 13, 5:39 pm, *wrote: On Jan 13, 4:20 pm, " *wrote: On Jan 13, 4:14 pm, Tony *wrote: On 13/01/2011 14:47, Doug wrote: 250 Watt machines are legal on the continent and the British law on 200 Watt machines is/was under review. So it looks as if the decision has finally been made to standardise with the EU, Source (I'm not saying it is not possible) * * There was a consultation a year ago on the subject, http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/2010-02/ * * *I've no idea what has happened since then ... Well there will obviously have to be harmonisation. End of. * * You do wonder why they even spend money consulting, and updating when it's probably going to end up the same. It's not like there are budgetary considerations these days. If somebody else has done the work of coming up with some decent standards why not simply use them. What it amounts to is that our own governments are in the habit of coming up with crap laws and this is one very clear example. Why restrict a solo bike arbitrarily to 200 Watts while allowing a tandem 250 Watts? It's utterly ridiculous! Meanwhile manufacturers around the world have been churning out 250 W solos by the millions. Doug. It's funny how you argue about this being an arbitrarily limit that should be ignored, but then complain about other arbitrarily limits that are not sticked to. "sticked to", Tony Dragon? OOPS! :-) |
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On Jan 14, 10:11*am, bugbear
wrote: Doug wrote: If *laws are never enforced then they might just as well never exist, as in this case. Does that apply to ramming cyclists, Doug? Is there such a law specific to cyclists? Doubtful. What a strange question for you to ask. Did you have a point? Doug. |
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On 14/01/2011 13:10, AsK wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:09 am, Tony wrote: On 14/01/2011 08:01, Doug wrote: On Jan 13, 6:04 pm, " wrote: On Jan 13, 5:39 pm, wrote: On Jan 13, 4:20 pm, " wrote: On Jan 13, 4:14 pm, Tony wrote: On 13/01/2011 14:47, Doug wrote: 250 Watt machines are legal on the continent and the British law on 200 Watt machines is/was under review. So it looks as if the decision has finally been made to standardise with the EU, Source (I'm not saying it is not possible) There was a consultation a year ago on the subject, http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/2010-02/ I've no idea what has happened since then ... Well there will obviously have to be harmonisation. End of. You do wonder why they even spend money consulting, and updating when it's probably going to end up the same. It's not like there are budgetary considerations these days. If somebody else has done the work of coming up with some decent standards why not simply use them. What it amounts to is that our own governments are in the habit of coming up with crap laws and this is one very clear example. Why restrict a solo bike arbitrarily to 200 Watts while allowing a tandem 250 Watts? It's utterly ridiculous! Meanwhile manufacturers around the world have been churning out 250 W solos by the millions. Doug. It's funny how you argue about this being an arbitrarily limit that should be ignored, but then complain about other arbitrarily limits that are not sticked to. "sticked to", Tony Dragon? OOPS! :-) Very sorry, I will go away & beat myself with a stick of sallary. |
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Doug wrote:
On Jan 14, 10:11 am, wrote: Doug wrote: If laws are never enforced then they might just as well never exist, as in this case. Does that apply to ramming cyclists, Doug? Is there such a law specific to cyclists? Doubtful. What a strange question for you to ask. Did you have a point? Yes - that your so-called-principles on "the law" seem to vary according to wether you find a particular law to your taste and preference. BugBear |
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On Jan 14, 3:27*pm, bugbear wrote:
Doug wrote: On Jan 14, 10:11 am, wrote: Doug wrote: If *laws are never enforced then they might just as well never exist, as in this case. Does that apply to ramming cyclists, Doug? Is there such a law specific to cyclists? *Doubtful. What a strange question for you to ask. Did you have a point? Yes - that your so-called-principles on "the law" seem to vary according to wether you find a particular law to your taste and preference. And you don't? What about speed limits and clamping? Doug. |
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Doug wrote:
On Jan 14, 3:27 pm, wrote: Doug wrote: On Jan 14, 10:11 am, wrote: Doug wrote: If laws are never enforced then they might just as well never exist, as in this case. Does that apply to ramming cyclists, Doug? Is there such a law specific to cyclists? Doubtful. What a strange question for you to ask. Did you have a point? Yes - that your so-called-principles on "the law" seem to vary according to wether you find a particular law to your taste and preference. And you don't? What about speed limits and clamping? You appear to be confusing me with someone else. BugBear |
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On Jan 14, 4:15*pm, bugbear wrote:
Doug wrote: On Jan 14, 3:27 pm, *wrote: Doug wrote: On Jan 14, 10:11 am, wrote: Doug wrote: If *laws are never enforced then they might just as well never exist, as in this case. Does that apply to ramming cyclists, Doug? Is there such a law specific to cyclists? *Doubtful. What a strange question for you to ask. Did you have a point? Yes - that your so-called-principles on "the law" seem to vary according to wether you find a particular law to your taste and preference. And you don't? What about speed limits and clamping? You appear to be confusing me with someone else. Probably because you are reluctant to say anything about yourself and your attitude to laws. Doug. |
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Doug wrote:
On Jan 14, 4:15 pm, wrote: Doug wrote: On Jan 14, 3:27 pm, wrote: Doug wrote: On Jan 14, 10:11 am, wrote: Doug wrote: If laws are never enforced then they might just as well never exist, as in this case. Does that apply to ramming cyclists, Doug? Is there such a law specific to cyclists? Doubtful. What a strange question for you to ask. Did you have a point? Yes - that your so-called-principles on "the law" seem to vary according to wether you find a particular law to your taste and preference. And you don't? What about speed limits and clamping? You appear to be confusing me with someone else. Probably because you are reluctant to say anything about yourself and your attitude to laws. "it's not always about me" :-) BugBear |
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