BCT Trail Work Day

On Feb 25, 1:24 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
So far, I haven't found anyone who disagrees
with my conclusions except mountain bikers.

Since it's a slow day, I'll take time to post: I have repeatedly
stated, since day one of finding your psychotic blatherings, I fully
DO NOT agree with your points, I am NOT a mountain biker, and I do not
even know any mountain bikers.

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
This is as clear as possible evidence of your having been taken in by
junk science; cell phones represent ZERO physical hazard.

PH

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:24:47 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:45:13 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:25:55 -0800, cc wrote:


You jackass. Try interpreting the statement as the statistician you
think you are. Any categorical differences between biking and hiking
trails are so small compared to the difference between trails within
each category, that they are statistically irrelevant.

Not according to the REAL science (as opposed to "mountain biker
science").

And what "science" are you referring to? YOU have not conducted actual
field
research. You only take what others have done and either ignore what you
do
not like to take only what is favorable to your opinion or you ridicule
the
findings because they do not fall in line with your opinion.
The REAL research done by REAL researchers has been gathered by experts in
charge (without the benefit of your "reviews") and have come to the
conclusion that off-road cycling is comparable to hiking in regards to
trail
and habitat impact. The REAL information has lead to rules and regulations
nationwide recognizing the validity of off-road cycling in multi-use
designated areas. These rulings have driven the trail user cooperation and
expansion of cycling access.
YOUR opinion of what REAL science is has no measure in the matter.

Obviously you aren't capable of distinguishing real science from
fraud. I am, and I did. So far, I haven't found anyone who disagrees
with my conclusions except mountain bikers. Mountain bikers LIKE
fraud. It's their middle name.
===
Obviously, you ignore the REAL scientists, environmentalists and researchers
who conduct and compile the research that has allowed off-road cycling to be
recognized by the NFS, NPS and land managers nationwide.
You say you have not "found anyone who disagrees...". Names? Locations? Who
are these "mystery people"? Where are the direct quotes from actual and real
scientists and environmental researchers who have said directlty that they
agree with the views of Mike Vandeman concerning off-road cycling?
What actual field research have you done? What are the opinions of those
whose actual work and research you butcher in order to claim a foundation
for your opinions? Your "reviews" have been put out to pasture as nobody
needs the services of a self-appointed "middle-man" to INTERPRET and SPIN
the results when the actual research and those conducting it are readily
available by the internet.
You have been requested for years to supply names that can be verified. You
only respond with "because I say so". Hardly scientific and definately not
the response from someone who has conviction in their statements.
If you have not found anyone with credentials who disagrees with your
opinions, you have been living in a bubble and purposefully looking away
from the truth.


Yawn.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On 25 Feb 2007 06:24:49 -0800, "pmh" wrote:

On Feb 25, 1:24 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
So far, I haven't found anyone who disagrees
with my conclusions except mountain bikers.

Since it's a slow day, I'll take time to post: I have repeatedly
stated, since day one of finding your psychotic blatherings, I fully
DO NOT agree with your points, I am NOT a mountain biker, and I do not
even know any mountain bikers.

Impossible. But then why do you ACT like one?

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
This is as clear as possible evidence of your having been taken in by
junk science; cell phones represent ZERO physical hazard.

Where's the proof? Idiot.

PH
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...

I am a trolling fool, what can I do, when it sucks to be me.

Hear Hear

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:24:47 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:

Not according to the REAL science (as opposed to "mountain biker
science").

And what "science" are you referring to? YOU have not conducted actual
field
research. You only take what others have done and either ignore what you
do
not like to take only what is favorable to your opinion or you ridicule
the
findings because they do not fall in line with your opinion.
The REAL research done by REAL researchers has been gathered by experts
in
charge (without the benefit of your "reviews") and have come to the
conclusion that off-road cycling is comparable to hiking in regards to
trail
and habitat impact. The REAL information has lead to rules and
regulations
nationwide recognizing the validity of off-road cycling in multi-use
designated areas. These rulings have driven the trail user cooperation
and
expansion of cycling access.
YOUR opinion of what REAL science is has no measure in the matter.

Obviously you aren't capable of distinguishing real science from
fraud. I am, and I did. So far, I haven't found anyone who disagrees
with my conclusions except mountain bikers. Mountain bikers LIKE
fraud. It's their middle name.
===
Obviously, you ignore the REAL scientists, environmentalists and
researchers
who conduct and compile the research that has allowed off-road cycling to
be
recognized by the NFS, NPS and land managers nationwide.
You say you have not "found anyone who disagrees...". Names? Locations?
Who
are these "mystery people"? Where are the direct quotes from actual and
real
scientists and environmental researchers who have said directlty that they
agree with the views of Mike Vandeman concerning off-road cycling?
What actual field research have you done? What are the opinions of those
whose actual work and research you butcher in order to claim a foundation
for your opinions? Your "reviews" have been put out to pasture as nobody
needs the services of a self-appointed "middle-man" to INTERPRET and SPIN
the results when the actual research and those conducting it are readily
available by the internet.
You have been requested for years to supply names that can be verified.
You
only respond with "because I say so". Hardly scientific and definately not
the response from someone who has conviction in their statements.
If you have not found anyone with credentials who disagrees with your
opinions, you have been living in a bubble and purposefully looking away
from the truth.


Yawn.
===
Again - Rather than present something verifiable in order to offer ANYTHING
to support your slander of science and actual information, you back away
with your feeble attempts with nothing.
If you held ANY integrity in your statements, these requests for reference
and external support of your views would be a simple matter.
Instead, you avoid these requests at all costs.
PATHETIC.

Obviously, you ignore the REAL scientists, environmentalists and
researchers who conduct and compile the research that has allowed
off-road cycling to be recognized by the NFS, NPS and land managers
nationwide. You say you have not "found anyone who disagrees...".
Names? Locations? Who are these "mystery people"? Where are the direct
quotes from actual and real scientists and environmental researchers
who have said directlty that they agree with the views of Mike
Vandeman concerning off-road cycling? What actual field research have
you done? What are the opinions of those whose actual work and
research you butcher in order to claim a foundation for your opinions?
Your "reviews" have been put out to pasture as nobody needs the
services of a self-appointed "middle-man" to INTERPRET and SPIN the
results when the actual research and those conducting it are readily
available by the internet.
You have been requested for years to supply names that can be
verified. You only respond with "because I say so". Hardly scientific
and definately not the response from someone who has conviction in
their statements. If you have not found anyone with credentials who
disagrees with your opinions, you have been living in a bubble and
purposefully looking away from the truth.


Yawn.

GOT YOUR ASS KICKED AGAIN.

Mike you are simply pathetic



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On 12 Mar 2007 17:10:48 GMT, Chris wrote:

Obviously, you ignore the REAL scientists, environmentalists and
researchers who conduct and compile the research that has allowed
off-road cycling to be recognized by the NFS, NPS and land managers
nationwide. You say you have not "found anyone who disagrees...".
Names? Locations? Who are these "mystery people"? Where are the direct
quotes from actual and real scientists and environmental researchers
who have said directlty that they agree with the views of Mike
Vandeman concerning off-road cycling? What actual field research have
you done? What are the opinions of those whose actual work and
research you butcher in order to claim a foundation for your opinions?
Your "reviews" have been put out to pasture as nobody needs the
services of a self-appointed "middle-man" to INTERPRET and SPIN the
results when the actual research and those conducting it are readily
available by the internet.
You have been requested for years to supply names that can be
verified. You only respond with "because I say so". Hardly scientific
and definately not the response from someone who has conviction in
their statements. If you have not found anyone with credentials who
disagrees with your opinions, you have been living in a bubble and
purposefully looking away from the truth.


Yawn.

GOT YOUR ASS KICKED AGAIN.

In your dreams.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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On 12 Mar 2007 17:10:48 GMT, Chris wrote:

Obviously, you ignore the REAL scientists, environmentalists and
researchers who conduct and compile the research that has allowed
off-road cycling to be recognized by the NFS, NPS and land managers
nationwide. You say you have not "found anyone who disagrees...".
Names? Locations? Who are these "mystery people"? Where are the
direct quotes from actual and real scientists and environmental
researchers who have said directlty that they agree with the views
of Mike Vandeman concerning off-road cycling? What actual field
research have you done? What are the opinions of those whose actual
work and research you butcher in order to claim a foundation for
your opinions? Your "reviews" have been put out to pasture as nobody
needs the services of a self-appointed "middle-man" to INTERPRET and
SPIN the results when the actual research and those conducting it
are readily available by the internet.
You have been requested for years to supply names that can be
verified. You only respond with "because I say so". Hardly
scientific and definately not the response from someone who has
conviction in their statements. If you have not found anyone with
credentials who disagrees with your opinions, you have been living
in a bubble and purposefully looking away from the truth.


Yawn.

GOT YOUR ASS KICKED AGAIN.


In your dreams.


No, not in my dreams. You were asked once again to back up your
perspective, and once again, you did/could not. When you get your ass
kicked, you always revert to "Yawn", or "Did you say something".

Please answer the questions. Back up your point of view with cold hard
facts. Once you have done this, you may convince people that your
perspective is correct, until then, you will continue to be a joke.


===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande



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On 13 Mar 2007 13:22:06 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On 12 Mar 2007 17:10:48 GMT, Chris wrote:

Obviously, you ignore the REAL scientists, environmentalists and
researchers who conduct and compile the research that has allowed
off-road cycling to be recognized by the NFS, NPS and land managers
nationwide. You say you have not "found anyone who disagrees...".
Names? Locations? Who are these "mystery people"? Where are the
direct quotes from actual and real scientists and environmental
researchers who have said directlty that they agree with the views
of Mike Vandeman concerning off-road cycling? What actual field
research have you done? What are the opinions of those whose actual
work and research you butcher in order to claim a foundation for
your opinions? Your "reviews" have been put out to pasture as nobody
needs the services of a self-appointed "middle-man" to INTERPRET and
SPIN the results when the actual research and those conducting it
are readily available by the internet.
You have been requested for years to supply names that can be
verified. You only respond with "because I say so". Hardly
scientific and definately not the response from someone who has
conviction in their statements. If you have not found anyone with
credentials who disagrees with your opinions, you have been living
in a bubble and purposefully looking away from the truth.


Yawn.

GOT YOUR ASS KICKED AGAIN.


In your dreams.


No, not in my dreams. You were asked once again to back up your
perspective, and once again, you did/could not.

Did not. Why respond to nonsense?

When you get your ass
kicked, you always revert to "Yawn", or "Did you say something".

No, when I'm talking to an idiot, like you, I just respond
appropriately.

Please answer the questions. Back up your point of view with cold hard
facts. Once you have done this, you may convince people that your
perspective is correct, until then, you will continue to be a joke.

I have, many times, as you well know.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

In message , Mike Vandeman
writes
Did not. Why respond to nonsense?

Anyone else see the irony here?
I have tried Mr Vandermann, to dismiss my first impressions of you and
listen to what you have to say. I was wrong and should have trusted my
initial judgement. You are a ****wit.
Bye
*plonk*
--
Devs
"Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"