Fun with exponents

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 12:36:46 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/27/2020 1:43 PM, wrote:

Only someone in a financially secure position could ignore the pain and suffering of people whose source of income has been cut off...

Only a person who has no friend or family infected or seriously at risk
could ignore the pain and suffering of those with COVID.

... for no reasons whatsoever.

That's the view of a person with zero qualifications, despite strong
disagreement from qualified experts in every country worldwide.

On a clear day you couldn't see beyond you nose.

Before ANY of the shouting is done, the CDC has already reduced the numbers of covid-19 deaths by 25%. This isn't going to stop here since other CDC studies show that the chances of someone that has covid-19 AND SYNPTOMS (only 25% of those with the disease) have a 0.05% chance of dying. It is a pity that you mind doesn't work anymore. All you have left is bitter hatred for those that point it out.

On 5/27/2020 3:58 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 18:56:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
Bicycle related drivel:
Water bottle fail. I grabbed it, and the now brittle plastic
crumbled. My guess(tm) is it was 30 years old. Argh.
http://www.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/slides/water%20bottle%20fail.html

Blank page. So much for bibycle related content. I updated my photo
album software from Jalbum 20.0 to the latest 20.1. I also added the
above photo. The new and improved release did some odd things and
took far too long to coplete the upload. The next morning, I
discovered that all the photos on my web pile were gone. I have
backups, but until I put the mess back together, no photos. Sorry.


I saw it yesterday. Typical outgassed polymer failure.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 27 May 2020 16:54:48 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 10:13:01 +0100, Tosspot
wrote:

On 26/05/2020 23.16, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/26/2020 2:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 18:37:24 +0200, Rolf Mantel
wrote:

The data on excess mortality has the very nice advantage that it
removes all wrong diagnosis from the game. Please, play with
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm a
bit: In California, COVID-19 has been similar to the 17-18 Flu,
in Florida or DC even weaker. But in the US overall, the COVID-19
excess is around 70,000 compared to 15,000 at the 17-18 Flu. You
better not look at New York State, Massachusets, or even New
Jeresy where the excess was 150% over normal or New York City
where the excess reached 300% over normal.

Look again. NYC was about 600% above normal. At the same time, NY
State was about 125% above normal.

New York seem to be the worst. Go thee unto the aforementioned
URL. Select a Dashboard - Excess deaths with and without COVID-19
- Update Dashboard Select Jurisdiction - New York The excess
deaths are in dark blue. Drag the mouse over the peak and it will
show about 125% excess deaths.

However, that's for New York State with New York City excluded
from the data. The "Figure Notes" below the graph proclaims: "Data
for New York excludes New York City" So NYC is tabulated
separately. Select a Dashboard - Excess deaths with and without
COVID-19 - Update Dashboard Select Jurisdiction - New York City
Drag the mouse over the peak. The info box shows excess deaths at
596.7% to 649.5%.

I imagine Tom will say all those people who died were just volunteers
participating in the big hoax.

The ultimate sacrifice. They should all be given the Presidential Medal
of Freedom.

100,000 and counting. Going to need a lot of scrap metal for those medals.

At May 27, 2020, 03:41 GMT it was 100,572 deaths and 1,144,734 sick.

And at May 27, 2020, 22:42 GMT it was 1,743,898 cases and 102,005
deaths.

Come on you guys. With only a tiny bit more effort you can hit the big
2,000,000 mark. I know that you can do it if you just try.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 2:32:39 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 12:36:46 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/27/2020 1:43 PM, wrote:

Only someone in a financially secure position could ignore the pain and suffering of people whose source of income has been cut off...

Only a person who has no friend or family infected or seriously at risk
could ignore the pain and suffering of those with COVID.

... for no reasons whatsoever.

That's the view of a person with zero qualifications, despite strong
disagreement from qualified experts in every country worldwide.

On a clear day you couldn't see beyond you nose.

Before ANY of the shouting is done, the CDC has already reduced the numbers of covid-19 deaths by 25%. This isn't going to stop here since other CDC studies show that the chances of someone that has covid-19 AND SYNPTOMS (only 25% of those with the disease) have a 0.05% chance of dying. It is a pity that you mind doesn't work anymore. All you have left is bitter hatred for those that point it out.

It's a pity that you don't understand disease prevention versus post hoc death statistics. Restrictions were imposed to prevent the spread of a disease with bad track record. Remember Wuhan, burial pits in Iran, Italy?

The only way you could say that the restrictions were unnecessary is: (1) define an acceptable number of sick and/or dead, and (2) know in advance the number of sick and/or dead if no restrictions were imposed, and then compare the two numbers. If we know that 250,000 will die if no restrictions are imposed, and we're O.K. with that number, then the restrictions are/were unnecessary. If we think 250,000 is too many (or whatever the best projection showed), then we impose restrictions, and try to tailor them to do the most good and least harm.

You can't impose restrictions and then claim that they were unnecessary because they worked.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Wed, 27 May 2020 08:58:39 -0700, cyclintom wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/26/2020 10:46 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I have a very low respect for doctors because so few of them want to
be competent. Top of the list in that category is Dr. Fauci of the
CDC who has continually acted an expert at things he knows very
little about.

Dr Fauci has been director of the NIAID (National Institute of
Allergy and Infectious Diseases) since 1984. He does NOT work for
the CDC. NIAID is part of the NIH (National Institute of Health).
He's has been involved with controlling several previous epidemics,
which I presume qualifies as experience:
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/niaid-history

Can you provide the name of someone in the US who is better qualified
to discuss pandemics than Dr Fauci?

That would be Tom.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/18/
swedish_epidemiologist_johan_giesecke_why_lockdown s_are_the_wrong_policy.html#!

Swedish model? . Now that is a laugh. It has the sixth worst fatality
rate per head of population in the world. It even beats the USA.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ths-worldwide-
per-million-inhabitants/

On Wed, 27 May 2020 08:45:55 -0700, cyclintom wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/26/2020 10:46 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I have a very low respect for doctors because so few of them want to
be competent. Top of the list in that category is Dr. Fauci of the
CDC who has continually acted an expert at things he knows very
little about.

Dr Fauci has been director of the NIAID (National Institute of
Allergy and Infectious Diseases) since 1984. He does NOT work for
the CDC. NIAID is part of the NIH (National Institute of Health).
He's has been involved with controlling several previous epidemics,
which I presume qualifies as experience:
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/niaid-history

Can you provide the name of someone in the US who is better qualified
to discuss pandemics than Dr Fauci?

That would be Tom.

https://vivomix.com/2020/05/08/dr-an...d-of-fraud-by-
judy-mikovits-fact-check/

This Judy Mikovits?
From wikipedia
Judy Anne Mikovits (born 1957 or 1958) is a former American research
scientist[2][3][10][11][12] who is known for her discredited medical
claims, such as that murine endogenous retroviruses are linked to chronic
fatigue syndrome. She has been described as an anti-vaccination activist
[12][13] and a promoter of conspiracy theories, and has been accused of
scientific misconduct.[6][7][8][9] She has made several false claims
about vaccines, COVID-19, and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).[14][10][11]
[15]

On Wed, 27 May 2020 08:42:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 7:17:19 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:46:36 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I have a very low respect for doctors because so few of them
want to be competent. Top of the list in that category is Dr. Fauci
of the CDC who has continually acted an expert at things he knows
very little about.

Dr Fauci has been director of the NIAID (National Institute of Allergy
and Infectious Diseases) since 1984. He does NOT work for the CDC.
NIAID is part of the NIH (National Institute of Health). He's has
been involved with controlling several previous epidemics, which I
presume qualifies as experience:
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/niaid-history

Can you provide the name of someone in the US who is better qualified
to discuss pandemics than Dr Fauci?

There is a place for those who sit around, think and read papers.
I do not deny Fauci that much. But he is not working in the real world
as many other epidemiologists are and they often interview them on
FOX and they ALL say what I've been saying. There isn't much you can
do about a pandemic with a linear growth rate.

I see. You want to be advised on how to protect yourself from a viral
epidemic by an epidemiologist via Fox News. I don't think that's what
you intended to say, but that's what you wrote. You also seem to have
changed your position on Dr Fauci from:

"Dr. Fauci of the CDC(sic) who has continually acted an
expert at things he knows very little about."

to:

"I do not deny Fauci that much."

That's quite a change from calling the leading expert on infectious
diseases in the US an incompetent, to not denying him something you
didn't bother to specify. Of course, you're entitled to have an
opinion about anyone and anything, but I'm also entitled to discount
your opinion as rubbish. Anyway, kindly stabilize your opinion about
Dr Fauci. If it's critical, please provide the name of someone in the
US that is equally or more qualified to advise on how to handle a
pandemic. Incidentally, I could probably provide some names in China
that are substantially more qualified and equally experienced, but
such experts would not be considered as candidates for advising our
president, who knows more than any or all of them, Here's one
candidate that might have qualified had he not resigned for having is
bureau eliminated by the Trump administration:
"A top pandemic expert is leaving the Trump administration amid the
coronavirus crisis"
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-pandemic-expert-leaving-the-trump-administration-amid-coronavirus-2020-5


No bicycle related content this time. Sorry(tm).

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

The leading expert? Jeff, that is about the most foolish thing that you could say. Fauci is NOT an expert. Sitting around in hallowed halls of government does NOT make you an expert. The epidemiologists in the field say the opposite and that you like some sort of moron deny that they know anything for the simple reason that they are interviewed on FOX shows that you are nothing more than some stupid biased punk.

Lets face reality Tommy. You don't know what you are talking about and
you tell lies. And your vaunted Yellow Dunce in Washington tells
lies. In fact the news here, this morning has it that he now wants to
close down the social networks for "outing" him... "Catch me lying and
I'll close you down!"
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 27 May 2020 12:29:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 5/27/2020 11:42 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 7:17:19 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:46:36 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I have a very low respect for doctors because so few of them
want to be competent. Top of the list in that category is Dr. Fauci
of the CDC who has continually acted an expert at things he knows
very little about.

Dr Fauci has been director of the NIAID (National Institute of Allergy
and Infectious Diseases) since 1984. He does NOT work for the CDC.
NIAID is part of the NIH (National Institute of Health). He's has
been involved with controlling several previous epidemics, which I
presume qualifies as experience:
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/niaid-history

Can you provide the name of someone in the US who is better qualified
to discuss pandemics than Dr Fauci?

There is a place for those who sit around, think and read papers.
I do not deny Fauci that much. But he is not working in the real world
as many other epidemiologists are and they often interview them on
FOX and they ALL say what I've been saying. There isn't much you can
do about a pandemic with a linear growth rate.

I see. You want to be advised on how to protect yourself from a viral
epidemic by an epidemiologist via Fox News. I don't think that's what
you intended to say, but that's what you wrote. You also seem to have
changed your position on Dr Fauci from:

"Dr. Fauci of the CDC(sic) who has continually acted an
expert at things he knows very little about."

to:

"I do not deny Fauci that much."

That's quite a change from calling the leading expert on infectious
diseases in the US an incompetent, to not denying him something you
didn't bother to specify. Of course, you're entitled to have an
opinion about anyone and anything, but I'm also entitled to discount
your opinion as rubbish. Anyway, kindly stabilize your opinion about
Dr Fauci. If it's critical, please provide the name of someone in the
US that is equally or more qualified to advise on how to handle a
pandemic. Incidentally, I could probably provide some names in China
that are substantially more qualified and equally experienced, but
such experts would not be considered as candidates for advising our
president, who knows more than any or all of them, Here's one
candidate that might have qualified had he not resigned for having is
bureau eliminated by the Trump administration:
"A top pandemic expert is leaving the Trump administration amid the
coronavirus crisis"
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-pandemic-expert-leaving-the-trump-administration-amid-coronavirus-2020-5


No bicycle related content this time. Sorry(tm).

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

The leading expert? Jeff, that is about the most foolish thing that you could say. Fauci is NOT an expert. Sitting around in hallowed halls of government does NOT make you an expert. The epidemiologists in the field say the opposite and that you like some sort of moron deny that they know anything for the simple reason that they are interviewed on FOX shows that you are nothing more than some stupid biased punk.

Your homework, Tom:

!) Find or assemble a CV for Dr. Anthony Fauci. I say that because you
obviously know very, very little about him.

2) Find or assemble a CV for the guy you allude to whom Faux News
managed to dig up.

Analyze and compare those to prove to us that your guy with his
predictable complaints is more qualified than Fauci.

We'll even give bonus points for a little more work:

3) Give us your own CV. Show us why we should listen to your opinions on
epidemiology... and history, genetics, theology, ballistics, human
anatomy, politics, engineering, medicine, sociology, geology,
meteorology, technology, etc. You know - all the other things about
which you, as a high school dropout, claim to be much smarter than
hundreds of trained, experienced, and recognized experts.


Tommy don't need no steenking CV. He knows it all.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 27 May 2020 11:42:30 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 5/27/2020 11:29 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/27/2020 11:42 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 7:17:19 PM UTC-7, Jeff
Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:46:36 AM UTC-7, Jeff
Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I have a very low respect for doctors because so few
of them
want to be competent. Top of the list in that category
is Dr. Fauci
of the CDC who has continually acted an expert at
things he knows
very little about.

Dr Fauci has been director of the NIAID (National
Institute of Allergy
and Infectious Diseases) since 1984. He does NOT work
for the CDC.
NIAID is part of the NIH (National Institute of
Health). He's has
been involved with controlling several previous
epidemics, which I
presume qualifies as experience:
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/niaid-history

Can you provide the name of someone in the US who is
better qualified
to discuss pandemics than Dr Fauci?

There is a place for those who sit around, think and
read papers.
I do not deny Fauci that much. But he is not working in
the real world
as many other epidemiologists are and they often
interview them on
FOX and they ALL say what I've been saying. There isn't
much you can
do about a pandemic with a linear growth rate.

I see. You want to be advised on how to protect yourself
from a viral
epidemic by an epidemiologist via Fox News. I don't
think that's what
you intended to say, but that's what you wrote. You also
seem to have
changed your position on Dr Fauci from:

"Dr. Fauci of the CDC(sic) who has continually acted an
expert at things he knows very little about."

to:

"I do not deny Fauci that much."

That's quite a change from calling the leading expert on
infectious
diseases in the US an incompetent, to not denying him
something you
didn't bother to specify. Of course, you're entitled to
have an
opinion about anyone and anything, but I'm also entitled
to discount
your opinion as rubbish. Anyway, kindly stabilize your
opinion about
Dr Fauci. If it's critical, please provide the name of
someone in the
US that is equally or more qualified to advise on how to
handle a
pandemic. Incidentally, I could probably provide some
names in China
that are substantially more qualified and equally
experienced, but
such experts would not be considered as candidates for
advising our
president, who knows more than any or all of them,
Here's one
candidate that might have qualified had he not resigned
for having is
bureau eliminated by the Trump administration:
"A top pandemic expert is leaving the Trump
administration amid the
coronavirus crisis"
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-pandemic-expert-leaving-the-trump-administration-amid-coronavirus-2020-5



No bicycle related content this time. Sorry(tm).

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

The leading expert? Jeff, that is about the most foolish
thing that you could say. Fauci is NOT an expert. Sitting
around in hallowed halls of government does NOT make you
an expert. The epidemiologists in the field say the
opposite and that you like some sort of moron deny that
they know anything for the simple reason that they are
interviewed on FOX shows that you are nothing more than
some stupid biased punk.

Your homework, Tom:

!) Find or assemble a CV for Dr. Anthony Fauci. I say that
because you obviously know very, very little about him.

2) Find or assemble a CV for the guy you allude to whom Faux
News managed to dig up.

Analyze and compare those to prove to us that your guy with
his predictable complaints is more qualified than Fauci.

We'll even give bonus points for a little more work:

3) Give us your own CV. Show us why we should listen to your
opinions on epidemiology... and history, genetics, theology,
ballistics, human anatomy, politics, engineering, medicine,
sociology, geology, meteorology, technology, etc. You know -
all the other things about which you, as a high school
dropout, claim to be much smarter than hundreds of trained,
experienced, and recognized experts.


Fauci is probably a successful agency administrator and
political survivor who knows something but surely not
everything. Dr John Ionnidis who's no slouch in the area has
different opinions but gets no media traction:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ge-establishm/

And yet, countries that did institute a lock down, in a timely manner,
have noticeably lower cases and deaths.
(please note the phrase "timely manner")
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 27 May 2020 10:43:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 10:13:38 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:42:34 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/27/2020 11:29 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/27/2020 11:42 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 7:17:19 PM UTC-7, Jeff
Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:46:36 AM UTC-7, Jeff
Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I have a very low respect for doctors because so few
of them
want to be competent. Top of the list in that category
is Dr. Fauci
of the CDC who has continually acted an expert at
things he knows
very little about.

Dr Fauci has been director of the NIAID (National
Institute of Allergy
and Infectious Diseases) since 1984. He does NOT work
for the CDC.
NIAID is part of the NIH (National Institute of
Health). He's has
been involved with controlling several previous
epidemics, which I
presume qualifies as experience:
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/niaid-history

Can you provide the name of someone in the US who is
better qualified
to discuss pandemics than Dr Fauci?

There is a place for those who sit around, think and
read papers.
I do not deny Fauci that much. But he is not working in
the real world
as many other epidemiologists are and they often
interview them on
FOX and they ALL say what I've been saying. There isn't
much you can
do about a pandemic with a linear growth rate.

I see. You want to be advised on how to protect yourself
from a viral
epidemic by an epidemiologist via Fox News. I don't
think that's what
you intended to say, but that's what you wrote. You also
seem to have
changed your position on Dr Fauci from:

"Dr. Fauci of the CDC(sic) who has continually acted an
expert at things he knows very little about."

to:

"I do not deny Fauci that much."

That's quite a change from calling the leading expert on
infectious
diseases in the US an incompetent, to not denying him
something you
didn't bother to specify. Of course, you're entitled to
have an
opinion about anyone and anything, but I'm also entitled
to discount
your opinion as rubbish. Anyway, kindly stabilize your
opinion about
Dr Fauci. If it's critical, please provide the name of
someone in the
US that is equally or more qualified to advise on how to
handle a
pandemic. Incidentally, I could probably provide some
names in China
that are substantially more qualified and equally
experienced, but
such experts would not be considered as candidates for
advising our
president, who knows more than any or all of them,
Here's one
candidate that might have qualified had he not resigned
for having is
bureau eliminated by the Trump administration:
"A top pandemic expert is leaving the Trump
administration amid the
coronavirus crisis"
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-pandemic-expert-leaving-the-trump-administration-amid-coronavirus-2020-5



No bicycle related content this time. Sorry(tm).

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

The leading expert? Jeff, that is about the most foolish
thing that you could say. Fauci is NOT an expert. Sitting
around in hallowed halls of government does NOT make you
an expert. The epidemiologists in the field say the
opposite and that you like some sort of moron deny that
they know anything for the simple reason that they are
interviewed on FOX shows that you are nothing more than
some stupid biased punk.

Your homework, Tom:

!) Find or assemble a CV for Dr. Anthony Fauci. I say that
because you obviously know very, very little about him.

2) Find or assemble a CV for the guy you allude to whom Faux
News managed to dig up.

Analyze and compare those to prove to us that your guy with
his predictable complaints is more qualified than Fauci.

We'll even give bonus points for a little more work:

3) Give us your own CV. Show us why we should listen to your
opinions on epidemiology... and history, genetics, theology,
ballistics, human anatomy, politics, engineering, medicine,
sociology, geology, meteorology, technology, etc. You know -
all the other things about which you, as a high school
dropout, claim to be much smarter than hundreds of trained,
experienced, and recognized experts.


Fauci is probably a successful agency administrator and
political survivor who knows something but surely not
everything. Dr John Ionnidis who's no slouch in the area has
different opinions but gets no media traction:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ge-establishm/

Knows something? Yikes. That's like saying Patton knew something about war. https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio I think what you're saying is that his opinion could still be wrong, which is true. Qualified experts can disagree, and the disagreement often results from different data, assumptions, models and experience, and even if the assumptions or models align, then you get differences based on risk tolerance.

The usual approach is to do a case/control study of some sort or clinical trial. We could have a no-lock-down state to see how that works, but I doubt any governor would accept the fall-out. Plus, you would have to make sure that people didn't voluntarily lock-down. It would be tough to control, and I don't think Sweden is enough like the US to be a good control. Personally, I don't care if a lot of people die, so long as I can get my hair cut -- and the people who die are not me and my friends. I can tolerate a lot of risk to other people who I don't know.

-- Jay Beattie.

Only someone in a financially secure position could ignore the pain and suffering of people whose source of income has been cut off for no reasons whatsoever.

Why were schools closed down when children under 12 were unaffected by the virus and there is no record of them transmitting covid-19 to other people? Why were jobs closed down when only 1% of people under 50 contracted the disease and very ew died from it? When these same people have a 100 times more chance of dying in a car wreck?

I know that you and the others here are unwilling to believe the actual "excessive deaths" charts from the CDC but that is because you don't have any financial worries. Just the sport of people to command those that do around.

And your qualifications for making these remarks? Oh, that's right you
ride a bicycle.
Gee mister you must be an expert.
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cheers,

John B.