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  #11  
Old October 2nd 18, 08:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:

Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers
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  #12  
Old October 2nd 18, 09:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:

Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #13  
Old October 2nd 18, 10:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:

Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks. That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the roads.

Cheers

Cheers
  #14  
Old October 3rd 18, 03:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

Today I was once again in the accursed
hardware store, where I acquired a flashlight,
with the following specification:

FL 1 Standard (?)
18h
38lm
40m (range)
400cd (?)

Unlike the other previously mentioned in the
thread, which had 9 diodes and was suspected to
shine at 16lm, this is considerably stronger at
38, with only one LED, while also using
3*AAA batteries.

--
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http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
  #15  
Old October 3rd 18, 05:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:04:27 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks. That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the roads.

Cheers

Cheers


Amber or white are acceptable. Memorize this. There will be a test later.

16 CFR §1512.16 Requirements for reflectors.
Bicycles shall be equipped with reflective devices to permit recognition and identification under illumination from motor vehicle headlamps. The use of reflector combinations off the center plane of the bicycle (defined in §1512.18(m)(2)) is acceptable if each reflector meets the requirements of this section and of §1512.18 (m) and (n) and the combination of reflectors has a clear field of view of ±10° vertically and ±50° horizontally. Sidewalk bicycles are not required to have reflectors..

(a) Front, rear, and pedal reflectors. There shall be an essentially colorless front-facing reflector, essentially colorless or amber pedal reflectors, and a red rear-facing reflector.

(b) Side reflectors. There shall be retroreflective tire sidewalls or, alternatively, reflectors mounted on the spokes of each wheel, or, for non-caliper rim brake bicycles, retroreflective wheel rims. The center of spoke-mounted reflectors shall be within 76 mm (3.0 in.) of the inside of the rim. Side reflective devices shall be visible on each side of the wheel.

(c) Front reflector. The reflector or mount shall not contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation. The optical axis of the reflector shall be directed forward within 5° of the horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the wheels are tracking in a straight line, as defined in §1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that shall insure that the reflector meets the optical requirements of this paragraph (c) when the reflector is attached to the bicycle. The front reflector shall be tested in accordance with the reflector mount and alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(d) Rear reflector. The reflector or mount shall not contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation. The reflector shall be mounted such that it is to the rear of the seat mast with the top of the reflector at least 76 mm (3.0 in) below the point on the seat surface that is intersected by the line of the seat post. The optical axis of the reflector shall be directed rearward within 5° of the horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the wheels are traveling in a straight line, as defined in §1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that shall insure that the reflector meets the optical requirements of this paragraph (d) when the reflector is attached to the bicycle. The rear reflector shall be tested in accordance with the reflector mount and alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(e) Pedal reflectors. Each pedal shall have reflectors located on the front and rear surfaces of the pedal. The reflector elements may be either integral with the construction of the pedal or mechanically attached, but shall be sufficiently recessed from the edge of the pedal, or of the reflector housing, to prevent contact of the reflector element with a flat surface placed in contact with the edge of the pedal.

(f) Side reflectors. Reflectors affixed to the wheel spokes shall be mounted either flat on the spokes or within the spoke cage such that the angle between the optical axis and the normal to the plane of the wheel shall not exceed the angle of the spokes with the plane of the wheel. The reflectors shall not interfere with any wheel adjustments. The side-mounted reflector devices shall be essentially colorless or amber on the front wheel and essentially colorless or red on the rear wheel.

(g) Reflector tests. The pedal, front-mount, rear-mount, and side-mount reflectors shall be tested in accordance with the reflector test, §1512.18(n), to assure the reflectance values over the angles given in tables 1 and 2.

(h) Retroreflective tire sidewalls. When retroreflective tire sidewalls are used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors, the reflecting material shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous circle on the sidewall.

(2) The retroreflective material shall adhere to the tire such that after the tire has been subjected to a temperature of 50° ±3 °C (122° ±5.4 °F) for 30 minutes, the retroreflective material cannot be peeled or scraped away without removal of tire material.

(3) The retroreflective material shall be as resistant to abrasion as is the adjacent sidewall material so that when retroreflective material is removed from the inflated tire by abrasion with a wet, steel bristle brush, tire material will be removed along with the retroreflective material.

(4) The retroreflective material shall be tested for performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire test, §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties over the angles given in table 3. When a portion of the retroreflective material is selected (and the remainder is masked as specified in §1512.18(o)(2)(i)), the selected portion shall not contact the ground plane when the assembled bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation.

(i) Retroreflective rims. When retroreflective rims are used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors or retroreflective tire sidewalls, the reflecting material shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous circle on the rim.

(2) If the retroreflective material is applied to the rim in the form of a self-adhesive tape, the following requirement must be met: Use a sharp knife, razor blade, or similar instrument to carefully release an end of the tape material sufficient to be grasped between the thumb and finger. Grasp the freed tape end and gradually pull in a direction 90° to the plane of the rim. The tape material must break before additional separation (peeling) from the rim is observed.

(3) After the retroreflective material is abraded in accordance with the abrasion test for retroreflective rims at §1512.18(r), the rim must then be tested for performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire and rim test at §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties over the angles given in table 3.


Question One:

Johnny is riding down the sidewalk on his bicycle. If his bicycle is is festooned with wheel-mounted side reflectors in accordance with the law, what is the color of the reflector in his front wheel?

a. Amber

b. Essentially Colorless

c. Either a or b

d. Neither a or b because Johnny is on a sidewalk bicycle

e. None of the above because Johnny is breaking the law by riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and was taken down by the police.


-- Jay Beattie.

  #16  
Old October 3rd 18, 06:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

FL 1 Standard (?)
18h
38lm
40m (range)
400cd (?)


It didn't say the weight on the packaging.
Anyway it is 105g including batteries.

--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
  #17  
Old October 3rd 18, 07:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:16:07 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:04:27 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks. That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the roads.

Cheers

Cheers


Amber or white are acceptable. Memorize this. There will be a test later..

16 CFR §1512.16 Requirements for reflectors.
Bicycles shall be equipped with reflective devices to permit recognition and identification under illumination from motor vehicle headlamps. The use of reflector combinations off the center plane of the bicycle (defined in §1512.18(m)(2)) is acceptable if each reflector meets the requirements of this section and of §1512.18 (m) and (n) and the combination of reflectors has a clear field of view of ±10° vertically and ±50° horizontally. Sidewalk bicycles are not required to have reflectors..

(a) Front, rear, and pedal reflectors. There shall be an essentially colorless front-facing reflector, essentially colorless or amber pedal reflectors, and a red rear-facing reflector.

(b) Side reflectors. There shall be retroreflective tire sidewalls or, alternatively, reflectors mounted on the spokes of each wheel, or, for non-caliper rim brake bicycles, retroreflective wheel rims. The center of spoke-mounted reflectors shall be within 76 mm (3.0 in.) of the inside of the rim. Side reflective devices shall be visible on each side of the wheel.

(c) Front reflector. The reflector or mount shall not contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation. The optical axis of the reflector shall be directed forward within 5° of the horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the wheels are tracking in a straight line, as defined in §1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that shall insure that the reflector meets the optical requirements of this paragraph (c) when the reflector is attached to the bicycle. The front reflector shall be tested in accordance with the reflector mount and alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(d) Rear reflector. The reflector or mount shall not contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation. The reflector shall be mounted such that it is to the rear of the seat mast with the top of the reflector at least 76 mm (3.0 in) below the point on the seat surface that is intersected by the line of the seat post. The optical axis of the reflector shall be directed rearward within 5° of the horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the wheels are traveling in a straight line, as defined in §1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that shall insure that the reflector meets the optical requirements of this paragraph (d) when the reflector is attached to the bicycle. The rear reflector shall be tested in accordance with the reflector mount and alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(e) Pedal reflectors. Each pedal shall have reflectors located on the front and rear surfaces of the pedal. The reflector elements may be either integral with the construction of the pedal or mechanically attached, but shall be sufficiently recessed from the edge of the pedal, or of the reflector housing, to prevent contact of the reflector element with a flat surface placed in contact with the edge of the pedal.

(f) Side reflectors. Reflectors affixed to the wheel spokes shall be mounted either flat on the spokes or within the spoke cage such that the angle between the optical axis and the normal to the plane of the wheel shall not exceed the angle of the spokes with the plane of the wheel. The reflectors shall not interfere with any wheel adjustments. The side-mounted reflector devices shall be essentially colorless or amber on the front wheel and essentially colorless or red on the rear wheel.

(g) Reflector tests. The pedal, front-mount, rear-mount, and side-mount reflectors shall be tested in accordance with the reflector test, §1512..18(n), to assure the reflectance values over the angles given in tables 1 and 2.

(h) Retroreflective tire sidewalls. When retroreflective tire sidewalls are used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors, the reflecting material shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous circle on the sidewall.

(2) The retroreflective material shall adhere to the tire such that after the tire has been subjected to a temperature of 50° ±3 °C (122° ±5.4 °F) for 30 minutes, the retroreflective material cannot be peeled or scraped away without removal of tire material.

(3) The retroreflective material shall be as resistant to abrasion as is the adjacent sidewall material so that when retroreflective material is removed from the inflated tire by abrasion with a wet, steel bristle brush, tire material will be removed along with the retroreflective material.

(4) The retroreflective material shall be tested for performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire test, §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties over the angles given in table 3. When a portion of the retroreflective material is selected (and the remainder is masked as specified in §1512.18(o)(2)(i)), the selected portion shall not contact the ground plane when the assembled bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation.

(i) Retroreflective rims. When retroreflective rims are used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors or retroreflective tire sidewalls, the reflecting material shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous circle on the rim.

(2) If the retroreflective material is applied to the rim in the form of a self-adhesive tape, the following requirement must be met: Use a sharp knife, razor blade, or similar instrument to carefully release an end of the tape material sufficient to be grasped between the thumb and finger. Grasp the freed tape end and gradually pull in a direction 90° to the plane of the rim. The tape material must break before additional separation (peeling) from the rim is observed.

(3) After the retroreflective material is abraded in accordance with the abrasion test for retroreflective rims at §1512.18(r), the rim must then be tested for performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire and rim test at §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties over the angles given in table 3.


Question One:

Johnny is riding down the sidewalk on his bicycle. If his bicycle is is festooned with wheel-mounted side reflectors in accordance with the law, what is the color of the reflector in his front wheel?

a. Amber

b. Essentially Colorless

c. Either a or b

d. Neither a or b because Johnny is on a sidewalk bicycle

e. None of the above because Johnny is breaking the law by riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and was taken down by the police.


-- Jay Beattie.


Is all that U.S.A. law or Ontario, Canada law?

Cheers
  #18  
Old October 3rd 18, 08:44 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_2_]
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On 03/10/2018 2:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:16:07 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:04:27 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks. That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the roads.

Cheers

Cheers


Amber or white are acceptable. Memorize this. There will be a test later.

16 CFR §1512.16 Requirements for reflectors.
Bicycles shall be equipped with reflective devices to permit recognition and identification under illumination from motor vehicle headlamps. The use of reflector combinations off the center plane of the bicycle (defined in §1512.18(m)(2)) is acceptable if each reflector meets the requirements of this section and of §1512.18 (m) and (n) and the combination of reflectors has a clear field of view of ±10° vertically and ±50° horizontally. Sidewalk bicycles are not required to have reflectors.

(a) Front, rear, and pedal reflectors. There shall be an essentially colorless front-facing reflector, essentially colorless or amber pedal reflectors, and a red rear-facing reflector.

(b) Side reflectors. There shall be retroreflective tire sidewalls or, alternatively, reflectors mounted on the spokes of each wheel, or, for non-caliper rim brake bicycles, retroreflective wheel rims. The center of spoke-mounted reflectors shall be within 76 mm (3.0 in.) of the inside of the rim. Side reflective devices shall be visible on each side of the wheel.

(c) Front reflector. The reflector or mount shall not contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation. The optical axis of the reflector shall be directed forward within 5° of the horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the wheels are tracking in a straight line, as defined in §1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that shall insure that the reflector meets the optical requirements of this paragraph (c) when the reflector is attached to the bicycle. The front reflector shall be tested in accordance with the reflector mount and alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(d) Rear reflector. The reflector or mount shall not contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation. The reflector shall be mounted such that it is to the rear of the seat mast with the top of the reflector at least 76 mm (3.0 in) below the point on the seat surface that is intersected by the line of the seat post. The optical axis of the reflector shall be directed rearward within 5° of the horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the wheels are traveling in a straight line, as defined in §1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that shall insure that the reflector meets the optical requirements of this paragraph (d) when the reflector is attached to the bicycle. The rear reflector shall be tested in accordance with the reflector mount and alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(e) Pedal reflectors. Each pedal shall have reflectors located on the front and rear surfaces of the pedal. The reflector elements may be either integral with the construction of the pedal or mechanically attached, but shall be sufficiently recessed from the edge of the pedal, or of the reflector housing, to prevent contact of the reflector element with a flat surface placed in contact with the edge of the pedal.

(f) Side reflectors. Reflectors affixed to the wheel spokes shall be mounted either flat on the spokes or within the spoke cage such that the angle between the optical axis and the normal to the plane of the wheel shall not exceed the angle of the spokes with the plane of the wheel. The reflectors shall not interfere with any wheel adjustments. The side-mounted reflector devices shall be essentially colorless or amber on the front wheel and essentially colorless or red on the rear wheel.

(g) Reflector tests. The pedal, front-mount, rear-mount, and side-mount reflectors shall be tested in accordance with the reflector test, §1512.18(n), to assure the reflectance values over the angles given in tables 1 and 2.

(h) Retroreflective tire sidewalls. When retroreflective tire sidewalls are used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors, the reflecting material shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous circle on the sidewall.

(2) The retroreflective material shall adhere to the tire such that after the tire has been subjected to a temperature of 50° ±3 °C (122° ±5.4 °F) for 30 minutes, the retroreflective material cannot be peeled or scraped away without removal of tire material.

(3) The retroreflective material shall be as resistant to abrasion as is the adjacent sidewall material so that when retroreflective material is removed from the inflated tire by abrasion with a wet, steel bristle brush, tire material will be removed along with the retroreflective material.

(4) The retroreflective material shall be tested for performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire test, §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties over the angles given in table 3. When a portion of the retroreflective material is selected (and the remainder is masked as specified in §1512.18(o)(2)(i)), the selected portion shall not contact the ground plane when the assembled bicycle is resting on that plane in any orientation.

(i) Retroreflective rims. When retroreflective rims are used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors or retroreflective tire sidewalls, the reflecting material shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous circle on the rim.

(2) If the retroreflective material is applied to the rim in the form of a self-adhesive tape, the following requirement must be met: Use a sharp knife, razor blade, or similar instrument to carefully release an end of the tape material sufficient to be grasped between the thumb and finger. Grasp the freed tape end and gradually pull in a direction 90° to the plane of the rim. The tape material must break before additional separation (peeling) from the rim is observed.

(3) After the retroreflective material is abraded in accordance with the abrasion test for retroreflective rims at §1512.18(r), the rim must then be tested for performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire and rim test at §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties over the angles given in table 3.


Question One:

Johnny is riding down the sidewalk on his bicycle. If his bicycle is is festooned with wheel-mounted side reflectors in accordance with the law, what is the color of the reflector in his front wheel?

a. Amber

b. Essentially Colorless

c. Either a or b

d. Neither a or b because Johnny is on a sidewalk bicycle

e. None of the above because Johnny is breaking the law by riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and was taken down by the police.


-- Jay Beattie.


Is all that U.S.A. law or Ontario, Canada law?

Cheers


I don't think there is a U.S.A. law. I think in the states it's by the
state as it's by the province in Canada. That said, amber is allowed in
Quebec in some positions.

232. Every bicycle must carry
(1) one white reflector at the front;
(2) one red reflector at the rear;
(3) one amber or white reflector on each pedal;
(4) on the front wheel, an amber or white reflector attached to the
spokes and visible on both sides of the bicycle, an amber or white
reflective strip attached to each side of the fork, a tire with
reflective sidewalls or a rim with a continuous reflective strip around
the entire circumference of the wheel on both sides; and
(5) on the back wheel, a red or white reflector attached to the spokes
and visible on both sides of the bicycle, a red or white reflective
strip on each seat stay, a tire with reflective sidewalls, or a rim with
a continuous reflective strip around the entire circumference of the
wheel on both sides.
Despite the first paragraph, a bicycle need not carry the reflector
required under subparagraph 3 of that paragraph if the cyclist wears a
reflective band around each ankle or shoes with reflective strips.
Any equipment or object placed on a bicycle that blocks a prescribed
reflector or its substitute must carry a reflector or a reflective strip.
A trailer towed by a bicycle must carry two red reflectors at the rear,
as far apart as practicable, or a red reflective strip placed as close
to horizontal as possible across the width of the trailer.
1986, c. 91, s. 232; 2010, c. 34, s. 45; 2018, c. 7, s. 43.
  #19  
Old October 3rd 18, 09:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On 10/3/2018 2:44 PM, Duane wrote:
On 03/10/2018 2:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:16:07 PM UTC-4,
jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:04:27 PM UTC-7, Sir
Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be
allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg



-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated
CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red
on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's
supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks.
That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for
bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the
roads.

Cheers

Cheers

Amber or white are acceptable. Memorize this. There will
be a test later.

16 CFR §1512.16 Requirements for reflectors.
Bicycles shall be equipped with reflective devices to
permit recognition and identification under illumination
from motor vehicle headlamps. The use of reflector
combinations off the center plane of the bicycle (defined
in §1512.18(m)(2)) is acceptable if each reflector meets
the requirements of this section and of §1512.18 (m) and
(n) and the combination of reflectors has a clear field
of view of ±10° vertically and ±50° horizontally.
Sidewalk bicycles are not required to have reflectors.

(a) Front, rear, and pedal reflectors. There shall be an
essentially colorless front-facing reflector, essentially
colorless or amber pedal reflectors, and a red
rear-facing reflector.

(b) Side reflectors. There shall be retroreflective tire
sidewalls or, alternatively, reflectors mounted on the
spokes of each wheel, or, for non-caliper rim brake
bicycles, retroreflective wheel rims. The center of
spoke-mounted reflectors shall be within 76 mm (3.0 in.)
of the inside of the rim. Side reflective devices shall
be visible on each side of the wheel.

(c) Front reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The optical axis of the
reflector shall be directed forward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are tracking in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (c) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The front reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(d) Rear reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The reflector shall be
mounted such that it is to the rear of the seat mast with
the top of the reflector at least 76 mm (3.0 in) below
the point on the seat surface that is intersected by the
line of the seat post. The optical axis of the reflector
shall be directed rearward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are traveling in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (d) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The rear reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(e) Pedal reflectors. Each pedal shall have reflectors
located on the front and rear surfaces of the pedal. The
reflector elements may be either integral with the
construction of the pedal or mechanically attached, but
shall be sufficiently recessed from the edge of the
pedal, or of the reflector housing, to prevent contact of
the reflector element with a flat surface placed in
contact with the edge of the pedal.

(f) Side reflectors. Reflectors affixed to the wheel
spokes shall be mounted either flat on the spokes or
within the spoke cage such that the angle between the
optical axis and the normal to the plane of the wheel
shall not exceed the angle of the spokes with the plane
of the wheel. The reflectors shall not interfere with any
wheel adjustments. The side-mounted reflector devices
shall be essentially colorless or amber on the front
wheel and essentially colorless or red on the rear wheel.

(g) Reflector tests. The pedal, front-mount, rear-mount,
and side-mount reflectors shall be tested in accordance
with the reflector test, §1512.18(n), to assure the
reflectance values over the angles given in tables 1 and 2.

(h) Retroreflective tire sidewalls. When retroreflective
tire sidewalls are used in lieu of spoke-mounted
reflectors, the reflecting material shall meet the
following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the sidewall.

(2) The retroreflective material shall adhere to the tire
such that after the tire has been subjected to a
temperature of 50° ±3 °C (122° ±5.4 °F) for 30
minutes, the retroreflective material cannot be peeled or
scraped away without removal of tire material.

(3) The retroreflective material shall be as resistant to
abrasion as is the adjacent sidewall material so that
when retroreflective material is removed from the
inflated tire by abrasion with a wet, steel bristle
brush, tire material will be removed along with the
retroreflective material.

(4) The retroreflective material shall be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
test, §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties
over the angles given in table 3. When a portion of the
retroreflective material is selected (and the remainder
is masked as specified in §1512.18(o)(2)(i)), the
selected portion shall not contact the ground plane when
the assembled bicycle is resting on that plane in any
orientation.

(i) Retroreflective rims. When retroreflective rims are
used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors or
retroreflective tire sidewalls, the reflecting material
shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the rim.

(2) If the retroreflective material is applied to the rim
in the form of a self-adhesive tape, the following
requirement must be met: Use a sharp knife, razor blade,
or similar instrument to carefully release an end of the
tape material sufficient to be grasped between the thumb
and finger. Grasp the freed tape end and gradually pull
in a direction 90° to the plane of the rim. The tape
material must break before additional separation
(peeling) from the rim is observed.

(3) After the retroreflective material is abraded in
accordance with the abrasion test for retroreflective
rims at §1512.18(r), the rim must then be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
and rim test at §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance
properties over the angles given in table 3.


Question One:

Johnny is riding down the sidewalk on his bicycle. If
his bicycle is is festooned with wheel-mounted side
reflectors in accordance with the law, what is the color
of the reflector in his front wheel?

a. Amber

b. Essentially Colorless

c. Either a or b

d. Neither a or b because Johnny is on a sidewalk bicycle

e. None of the above because Johnny is breaking the law
by riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and was taken down
by the police.


-- Jay Beattie.


Is all that U.S.A. law or Ontario, Canada law?

Cheers


I don't think there is a U.S.A. law. I think in the states
it's by the state as it's by the province in Canada. That
said, amber is allowed in Quebec in some positions.

232. Every bicycle must carry
(1) one white reflector at the front;
(2) one red reflector at the rear;
(3) one amber or white reflector on each pedal;
(4) on the front wheel, an amber or white reflector
attached to the spokes and visible on both sides of the
bicycle, an amber or white reflective strip attached to each
side of the fork, a tire with reflective sidewalls or a rim
with a continuous reflective strip around the entire
circumference of the wheel on both sides; and
(5) on the back wheel, a red or white reflector attached to
the spokes and visible on both sides of the bicycle, a red
or white reflective strip on each seat stay, a tire with
reflective sidewalls, or a rim with a continuous reflective
strip around the entire circumference of the wheel on both
sides.
Despite the first paragraph, a bicycle need not carry the
reflector required under subparagraph 3 of that paragraph if
the cyclist wears a reflective band around each ankle or
shoes with reflective strips.
Any equipment or object placed on a bicycle that blocks a
prescribed reflector or its substitute must carry a
reflector or a reflective strip.
A trailer towed by a bicycle must carry two red reflectors
at the rear, as far apart as practicable, or a red
reflective strip placed as close to horizontal as possible
across the width of the trailer.
1986, c. 91, s. 232; 2010, c. 34, s. 45; 2018, c. 7, s. 43.


I plead TLDR on this. It may or may not be in he

https://www.cpsc.gov/Regulations-Law...ules/Bicycles/

or he
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...s-for-bicycles

The tubular tire section is hilarious.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old October 3rd 18, 09:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On 10/3/2018 2:44 PM, Duane wrote:
On 03/10/2018 2:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:16:07 PM UTC-4,
jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:04:27 PM UTC-7, Sir
Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be
allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg



-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated
CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red
on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's
supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks.
That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for
bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the
roads.

Cheers

Cheers

Amber or white are acceptable. Memorize this. There will
be a test later.

16 CFR §1512.16 Requirements for reflectors.
Bicycles shall be equipped with reflective devices to
permit recognition and identification under illumination
from motor vehicle headlamps. The use of reflector
combinations off the center plane of the bicycle (defined
in §1512.18(m)(2)) is acceptable if each reflector meets
the requirements of this section and of §1512.18 (m) and
(n) and the combination of reflectors has a clear field
of view of ±10° vertically and ±50° horizontally.
Sidewalk bicycles are not required to have reflectors.

(a) Front, rear, and pedal reflectors. There shall be an
essentially colorless front-facing reflector, essentially
colorless or amber pedal reflectors, and a red
rear-facing reflector.

(b) Side reflectors. There shall be retroreflective tire
sidewalls or, alternatively, reflectors mounted on the
spokes of each wheel, or, for non-caliper rim brake
bicycles, retroreflective wheel rims. The center of
spoke-mounted reflectors shall be within 76 mm (3.0 in.)
of the inside of the rim. Side reflective devices shall
be visible on each side of the wheel.

(c) Front reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The optical axis of the
reflector shall be directed forward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are tracking in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (c) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The front reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(d) Rear reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The reflector shall be
mounted such that it is to the rear of the seat mast with
the top of the reflector at least 76 mm (3.0 in) below
the point on the seat surface that is intersected by the
line of the seat post. The optical axis of the reflector
shall be directed rearward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are traveling in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (d) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The rear reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(e) Pedal reflectors. Each pedal shall have reflectors
located on the front and rear surfaces of the pedal. The
reflector elements may be either integral with the
construction of the pedal or mechanically attached, but
shall be sufficiently recessed from the edge of the
pedal, or of the reflector housing, to prevent contact of
the reflector element with a flat surface placed in
contact with the edge of the pedal.

(f) Side reflectors. Reflectors affixed to the wheel
spokes shall be mounted either flat on the spokes or
within the spoke cage such that the angle between the
optical axis and the normal to the plane of the wheel
shall not exceed the angle of the spokes with the plane
of the wheel. The reflectors shall not interfere with any
wheel adjustments. The side-mounted reflector devices
shall be essentially colorless or amber on the front
wheel and essentially colorless or red on the rear wheel.

(g) Reflector tests. The pedal, front-mount, rear-mount,
and side-mount reflectors shall be tested in accordance
with the reflector test, §1512.18(n), to assure the
reflectance values over the angles given in tables 1 and 2.

(h) Retroreflective tire sidewalls. When retroreflective
tire sidewalls are used in lieu of spoke-mounted
reflectors, the reflecting material shall meet the
following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the sidewall.

(2) The retroreflective material shall adhere to the tire
such that after the tire has been subjected to a
temperature of 50° ±3 °C (122° ±5.4 °F) for 30
minutes, the retroreflective material cannot be peeled or
scraped away without removal of tire material.

(3) The retroreflective material shall be as resistant to
abrasion as is the adjacent sidewall material so that
when retroreflective material is removed from the
inflated tire by abrasion with a wet, steel bristle
brush, tire material will be removed along with the
retroreflective material.

(4) The retroreflective material shall be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
test, §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties
over the angles given in table 3. When a portion of the
retroreflective material is selected (and the remainder
is masked as specified in §1512.18(o)(2)(i)), the
selected portion shall not contact the ground plane when
the assembled bicycle is resting on that plane in any
orientation.

(i) Retroreflective rims. When retroreflective rims are
used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors or
retroreflective tire sidewalls, the reflecting material
shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the rim.

(2) If the retroreflective material is applied to the rim
in the form of a self-adhesive tape, the following
requirement must be met: Use a sharp knife, razor blade,
or similar instrument to carefully release an end of the
tape material sufficient to be grasped between the thumb
and finger. Grasp the freed tape end and gradually pull
in a direction 90° to the plane of the rim. The tape
material must break before additional separation
(peeling) from the rim is observed.

(3) After the retroreflective material is abraded in
accordance with the abrasion test for retroreflective
rims at §1512.18(r), the rim must then be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
and rim test at §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance
properties over the angles given in table 3.


Question One:

Johnny is riding down the sidewalk on his bicycle. If
his bicycle is is festooned with wheel-mounted side
reflectors in accordance with the law, what is the color
of the reflector in his front wheel?

a. Amber

b. Essentially Colorless

c. Either a or b

d. Neither a or b because Johnny is on a sidewalk bicycle

e. None of the above because Johnny is breaking the law
by riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and was taken down
by the police.


-- Jay Beattie.


Is all that U.S.A. law or Ontario, Canada law?

Cheers


I don't think there is a U.S.A. law. I think in the states
it's by the state as it's by the province in Canada. That
said, amber is allowed in Quebec in some positions.

232. Every bicycle must carry
(1) one white reflector at the front;
(2) one red reflector at the rear;
(3) one amber or white reflector on each pedal;
(4) on the front wheel, an amber or white reflector
attached to the spokes and visible on both sides of the
bicycle, an amber or white reflective strip attached to each
side of the fork, a tire with reflective sidewalls or a rim
with a continuous reflective strip around the entire
circumference of the wheel on both sides; and
(5) on the back wheel, a red or white reflector attached to
the spokes and visible on both sides of the bicycle, a red
or white reflective strip on each seat stay, a tire with
reflective sidewalls, or a rim with a continuous reflective
strip around the entire circumference of the wheel on both
sides.
Despite the first paragraph, a bicycle need not carry the
reflector required under subparagraph 3 of that paragraph if
the cyclist wears a reflective band around each ankle or
shoes with reflective strips.
Any equipment or object placed on a bicycle that blocks a
prescribed reflector or its substitute must carry a
reflector or a reflective strip.
A trailer towed by a bicycle must carry two red reflectors
at the rear, as far apart as practicable, or a red
reflective strip placed as close to horizontal as possible
across the width of the trailer.
1986, c. 91, s. 232; 2010, c. 34, s. 45; 2018, c. 7, s. 43.



OK I think I found it:
https://www.cpsc.gov/Business--Manuf...-Requirements/

note link to subsection 1512.16:

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...12_main_02.tpl

Special note to fitness/performance crowd:
"(1) A rider weighing at least 150 pounds must ride a
bicycle at least 4 miles with the tires inflated to maximum
recommended pressure. The rider must travel five times at a
speed of at least 15 miles per hour over a 100 foot cleated
course."

Which seems to indicate a regulation of cyclists and cycling
rather than actual hardware.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


 




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