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Old July 19th 20, 03:47 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:17:20 PM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:42:19 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 7/18/2020 2:14 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mark Cleary wrote:
I am easy on drive-train's. I get 6000 miles on chains without going
over the limit on 11 speed shimano. My question is right now my
cassette a 11-28 has some 16000 miles on it and works fine. No
Skipping I am getting ready to put a new chain on pretty soon maybe
another 1000 miles. Should I go ahead and swap out the cassette. My
instincts tell me to just keep riding. If for some reason a new chain
causes a skip then yes i need new cassette. The bike is Ultegra 6800
and shifts like a dream. I put a new cable on the rear today and was
thinking maybe just order up a not only the chain but a new cassette.
Cassette are a mystery on wear for sure.

What do all the minds in here think? It is not broke leave alone or
just go new and be done for hopefully anther 16000 miles, not
kilometres.

Deacon Mark

I ended up getting a new cassette and chain so whole new drive train. I
even used the Shimano Quick link and bought the master link pliers. I
just love good tools but of course they don't get used much. I have to
say though that even with the master link pliers I had to put quite a
bit of force to get the quick link to snap in and click. I had to move
to a better position and apply some huge force. Lots of cycling miles I
am not much for brute strength and power. Shifted beautiful after and I
did not touch or make any cable adjustment.


I suspect what you did was best, but it would have been interesting to
see what would have happened if you re-used the cassette. I suspect it
would have skipped, but we'd have learned from your mistake!


Oh, from long experience, I can tell you that is what happened when you
try to mix and match chains and cassettes. It gets worse the older they
are.

From experience, I found the best way/longest life was to buy three
chains for each cassette and use them together, regularly swapping
chains. Eventually, both are so cactus, you scrap them.

Again, YMMV, but this was for my dailyride/tourer/off roader, etc.


I've thought about that strategy, three chains per cassette. I've
never had the discipline to do it.

Whenever I've tried to cheat by not changing cogs (at least small ones)
when I changed a slightly worn chain like Mark's, it would skip
at least occasionally when I applied lots of force to the pedals. I
expected that's what would happen to Mark.

- Frank Krygowski

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Old July 19th 20, 07:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Lou Holtman[_5_]
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Default Cassette change?

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:59:49 PM UTC+2, Mark Cleary wrote:
r

On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mark Cleary wrote:
I am easy on drive-train's. I get 6000 miles on chains without going over the limit on 11 speed shimano. My question is right now my cassette a 11-28 has some 16000 miles on it and works fine. No Skipping I am getting ready to put a new chain on pretty soon maybe another 1000 miles. Should I go ahead and swap out the cassette. My instincts tell me to just keep riding. If for some reason a new chain causes a skip then yes i need new cassette. The bike is Ultegra 6800 and shifts like a dream. I put a new cable on the rear today and was thinking maybe just order up a not only the chain but a new cassette. Cassette are a mystery on wear for sure.

What do all the minds in here think? It is not broke leave alone or just go new and be done for hopefully anther 16000 miles, not kilometres.

Deacon Mark



It would have worked fine I am sure. The old chain in all 110 links together had less than 1/4 inch of stretch. I looked and compared the new cassette to the old one and could not detect a bit of difference other than it was just no shiny new. I got 7500 miles on the chain. I am really easy on chains and tires. I get 5500-6000 miles on COnti GP II's without them being completely wore to the cords.

I think because I doksn't purposely ride in the rain and there are no mountains here they last. I am a spinning distance rider I tend to go long stretches of miles at 16-20 MPH and keep up on maintenance. I hear of guys getting new chains every 1500 miles and tires ect. That would get pretty expensive at the rate I am riding.

Deacon Mark


From my experience with Campy drivetrains I could put a new chain on without changing the cassette when the stretch was less than 4 mm. 1/4 of an inch (6.4 mm) was too much although I could not see any wear on the sprockets. Now I have on most of my bikes Shimano drive trains. I now always swap chain and cassette at the same time, because Shimano stuff is much cheaper and I can't be bothered with all the chain measuring/cleaning/swapping routine to get the most out of my cassette anymore. YMMV.

Lou
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Old July 19th 20, 07:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Cassette change?

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 4:47:02 AM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:17:20 PM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:42:19 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 7/18/2020 2:14 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mark Cleary wrote:
I am easy on drive-train's. I get 6000 miles on chains without going
over the limit on 11 speed shimano. My question is right now my
cassette a 11-28 has some 16000 miles on it and works fine. No
Skipping I am getting ready to put a new chain on pretty soon maybe
another 1000 miles. Should I go ahead and swap out the cassette. My
instincts tell me to just keep riding. If for some reason a new chain
causes a skip then yes i need new cassette. The bike is Ultegra 6800
and shifts like a dream. I put a new cable on the rear today and was
thinking maybe just order up a not only the chain but a new cassette.
Cassette are a mystery on wear for sure.

What do all the minds in here think? It is not broke leave alone or
just go new and be done for hopefully anther 16000 miles, not
kilometres.

Deacon Mark

I ended up getting a new cassette and chain so whole new drive train. I
even used the Shimano Quick link and bought the master link pliers. I
just love good tools but of course they don't get used much. I have to
say though that even with the master link pliers I had to put quite a
bit of force to get the quick link to snap in and click. I had to move
to a better position and apply some huge force. Lots of cycling miles I
am not much for brute strength and power. Shifted beautiful after and I
did not touch or make any cable adjustment.

I suspect what you did was best, but it would have been interesting to
see what would have happened if you re-used the cassette. I suspect it
would have skipped, but we'd have learned from your mistake!


Oh, from long experience, I can tell you that is what happened when you
try to mix and match chains and cassettes. It gets worse the older they
are.

From experience, I found the best way/longest life was to buy three
chains for each cassette and use them together, regularly swapping
chains. Eventually, both are so cactus, you scrap them.

Again, YMMV, but this was for my dailyride/tourer/off roader, etc.


I've thought about that strategy, three chains per cassette. I've
never had the discipline to do it.

Whenever I've tried to cheat by not changing cogs (at least small ones)
when I changed a slightly worn chain like Mark's, it would skip
at least occasionally when I applied lots of force to the pedals. I
expected that's what would happen to Mark.

- Frank Krygowski


My experience too when applying the 1/4 inch rule.

Lou
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Old July 27th 20, 11:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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Default Cassette change?

On 2020-07-18 12:59, Mark Cleary wrote:
r

On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mark Cleary wrote:
I am easy on drive-train's. I get 6000 miles on chains without
going over the limit on 11 speed shimano. My question is right now
my cassette a 11-28 has some 16000 miles on it and works fine. No
Skipping I am getting ready to put a new chain on pretty soon maybe
another 1000 miles. Should I go ahead and swap out the cassette. My
instincts tell me to just keep riding. If for some reason a new
chain causes a skip then yes i need new cassette. The bike is
Ultegra 6800 and shifts like a dream. I put a new cable on the rear
today and was thinking maybe just order up a not only the chain but
a new cassette. Cassette are a mystery on wear for sure.

What do all the minds in here think? It is not broke leave alone or
just go new and be done for hopefully anther 16000 miles, not
kilometres.

Deacon Mark



It would have worked fine I am sure. The old chain in all 110 links
together had less than 1/4 inch of stretch.



Nowadays chains don't stretch much anymore but it's the rollers that
wear out. They develop more and more slack and then one day that starts
ruining the cassette.


I looked and compared the
new cassette to the old one and could not detect a bit of difference
other than it was just no shiny new. I got 7500 miles on the chain. I
am really easy on chains and tires. I get 5500-6000 miles on COnti GP
II's without them being completely wore to the cords.


Lucky you. I don't even come close to those miles until it's all worn out.


I think because I doksn't purposely ride in the rain and there are no
mountains here they last. I am a spinning distance rider I tend to go
long stretches of miles at 16-20 MPH and keep up on maintenance. I
hear of guys getting new chains every 1500 miles and tires ect. That
would get pretty expensive at the rate I am riding.


My chain lasts a little longer than that but tires, yes, 1500mi is the
average on the road bike and around 1000mi on the MTB. So I buy cheap
tires mostly from Thailand because their endurance isn't much worse than
fancy brand-name tires that cost 2-3x.

The differences between us are probably the hills, the sometimes rough
roads, a hot climate, the fact that I weigh 208lbs (with a goal of
getting that down to 180-190lbs) and that I ride with a rack load a lot.

--
Regards, Joerg

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Old July 28th 20, 03:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Cassette change?

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:42:23 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/18/2020 2:14 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mark Cleary wrote:
I am easy on drive-train's. I get 6000 miles on chains without going over the limit on 11 speed shimano. My question is right now my cassette a 11-28 has some 16000 miles on it and works fine. No Skipping I am getting ready to put a new chain on pretty soon maybe another 1000 miles. Should I go ahead and swap out the cassette. My instincts tell me to just keep riding. If for some reason a new chain causes a skip then yes i need new cassette. The bike is Ultegra 6800 and shifts like a dream. I put a new cable on the rear today and was thinking maybe just order up a not only the chain but a new cassette. Cassette are a mystery on wear for sure.

What do all the minds in here think? It is not broke leave alone or just go new and be done for hopefully anther 16000 miles, not kilometres.

Deacon Mark


I ended up getting a new cassette and chain so whole new drive train. I even used the Shimano Quick link and bought the master link pliers. I just love good tools but of course they don't get used much. I have to say though that even with the master link pliers I had to put quite a bit of force to get the quick link to snap in and click. I had to move to a better position and apply some huge force. Lots of cycling miles I am not much for brute strength and power. Shifted beautiful after and I did not touch or make any cable adjustment.


I suspect what you did was best, but it would have been interesting to
see what would have happened if you re-used the cassette. I suspect it
would have skipped, but we'd have learned from your mistake!

Enjoy your ride.

--
- Frank Krygowski


Contrary to you who never learn. I'm trying to imagine the young people seeing their tuition flying out the window after discovering that you're their teacher.
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Old July 29th 20, 12:35 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Cassette change?

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:23:55 -0700, cyclintom wrote:


Contrary to you who never learn. I'm trying to imagine the young people
seeing their tuition flying out the window after discovering that you're
their teacher.


Is this from the boy who only achieved an attendance certificate from his
high school?


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Old July 29th 20, 03:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 4:35:47 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:23:55 -0700, cyclintom wrote:


Contrary to you who never learn. I'm trying to imagine the young people
seeing their tuition flying out the window after discovering that you're
their teacher.


Is this from the boy who only achieved an attendance certificate from his
high school?


I have a degree in Navigation from the San Francisco Maritime Academy - what do you have? To tell you the truth I didn't even know I had it until I ran across the papers here. And at the last high school reunion I discovered that since I joined the Air Force in the last quarter I was a graduate after all.

And I accomplished more without a degree in Electronics than most people with Master's Degrees.

Again - what have you ever done? You seem rather reticent to tell us anything but volunteer that you live off of your investments. But since you say nothing about the condition of the market it sounds to me as if, if you do have investments it is someone of your relatives with brains had to make an annuity in your name so that you didn't blow it all in one month. I cannot see any intelligent being seeing you as anything more than a brainless twit..
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Old July 30th 20, 02:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default OT: Tommy's diverted again Cassette change?

On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 5:02:59 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 4:21:10 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:16:59 -0700, cyclintom wrote:

On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 4:35:47 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:23:55 -0700, cyclintom wrote:


Contrary to you who never learn. I'm trying to imagine the young
people seeing their tuition flying out the window after discovering
that you're their teacher.

Is this from the boy who only achieved an attendance certificate from
his high school?

I have a degree in Navigation from the San Francisco Maritime Academy -

Yes, but is it good for? what did you actually study? I only ask as for
such an august institution, it doesn't seem to be on the internet.

what do you have?

Have you already forgotten my previous reply on this matter?

To tell you the truth I didn't even know I had it
until I ran across the papers here.


You don't remember doing a course of study that lead to the awarding of a
degree?

And at the last high school reunion
I discovered that since I joined the Air Force in the last quarter I was
a graduate after all.


Sigh! Congratulations.


And I accomplished more without a degree in Electronics than most people
with Master's Degrees.


Again - what have you ever done? You seem rather reticent to tell us
anything


I ride and maintain my own and the family's bicycles. Does anything else
matter here?

but volunteer that you live off of your investments. But since
you say nothing about the condition of the market it sounds to me as if,
if you do have investments it is someone of your relatives with brains
had to make an annuity in your name so that you didn't blow it all in
one month. I cannot see any intelligent being seeing you as anything
more than a brainless twit.


Well, 'the market' is just one of my areas of investment and this isn't a
market discussion newsgroup.


It was plenty good to be the navigator racing sailboats up and down the coast. I love the pure idiocy you demonstrate as some punk little kid that thinks if it ain't on the web it ain't real. I guess you have a very difficult time thinking. It must be all of that living off of your investments. https://www.csum.edu/


I would think that if you got a degree from a California State University, you would remember it. I certainly remember getting my degrees. With that said, I was rummaging through my desk drawer the other day and found an LLM from Harvard Law. I forgot all about that -- and a PhD from MIT. Crap, I have like six degrees, and I forgot half of them. And then I saw the TdF trophy and yellow jersey in the closet. Holy cow! I don't even remember winning the Tour.

BTW, I raced on a sail boat up and down the coast, and our navigator was a clown -- but it didn't matter much, because you could generally see the shore, and you just raced around the marks in the Bay. The Farallons were tricky in the fog, but we would smell them and hear the gulls before our navigator figured out we were about to go aground. No lives were lost.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old July 30th 20, 02:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default OT: Tommy's diverted again Cassette change?

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:02:57 -0700, cyclintom wrote:


It was plenty good to be the navigator racing sailboats up and down the
coast.


You had to do a 'bachelor's degree' to do that?
I pulled on my Yacht Masters Certification as we wanted to buy a house
instead. I only had to rack up a number of overnight trips to finish off.

I love the pure idiocy you demonstrate as some punk little kid
that thinks if it ain't on the web it ain't real. I guess you have a
very difficult time thinking. It must be all of that living off of your
investments. https://www.csum.edu/


Well I expect that was it, despite it being a different name to what you
said, but it wasn't loading at the time I looked. They must have hit the
reset switch.

 




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