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Old July 31st 20, 02:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Old July 31st 20, 04:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:10:58 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
Much wisdom he

https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/

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Well, I can't say that I leave tips and if I turned up at a shop to have a tire pumped I would certainly purchase a replacement tube there, but I never complain about the prices. There are some tools I don't have nor intend to buy since they are used so seldom (dropout alignment tool for instance) so I do put a bike in the shop occasionally. This last time I was informed that the dropout was aligned and that most of the noise came from the chain being threaded through the rear mech incorrectly. Now I remember that I called him to make an appointment to take it and he said "right now is good" so I probably just threw the chain on wrong in an effort to get the bike and all it's components down to him rapidly. I can't see not knowing that the chain comes out from under the bottom idler pulley. But stranger things have happened. My medication has been acting strangely as if the the quality control is askew. And on a report on the Hoover institute they said that CCP was making computer attacks on pharmaceutical companies. This might answer that question.
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Old July 31st 20, 05:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 2:10:58 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
Much wisdom he

https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/

--
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www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I'd be delighted to have an LBS like that. Instead I have a survivor from the blacksmith age of bicycle mechanics. It's impossible to entrust a sophisticated bike to him, even if you bring him the manual and the necessary tools. He'd never seen a digital torque wrench until I took one of mine along.. Then he didn't use it... He's a nice enough guy but after he bent the safety fitting at the bottom of the struts holding up a P65 mudguard so that it snapped off, after I warned him not to do it again, I had to buy a whole new set of mudguards, struts and fittings from Germany, delivered cost Euro 123. I don't mind paying for service, but that's a bit rich for turning the contacts on my hub dynamo and heat shrinking over the bare clips, a five minute job I was too hurried to find my own tools for. I can't even trust him to change the oil in my Rohloff box because he'll carelessly twist the sealing stud, which doesn't have a lip, into the gubbins and ruin my box.

And the LBSs in the nearby city aren't any better.

The nearest good LBS is in another village, and it takes half a day to drive there, wait for him to work on the bike, and drive home, and he doesn't even touch a Rohloff HGB or a SON dynohub because he's never seen them before. He borrowed manuals from me, but decided after reading them that he didn't fancy learning on my property. You have to respect that, but it's effing inconvenient.

-- AJ
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Old August 1st 20, 01:45 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Much wisdom he

https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/


Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer
are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any
of the more esoteric bits and pieces.

When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I
first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was
talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to
save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could
help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26
TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business).

It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over
searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if
you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame
a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and
accessories, despite the high margins.

Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts,
accessory, and repair business after Covid is over.
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Old August 1st 20, 02:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:45:37 -0700, sms
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On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Much wisdom he

https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/


Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer
are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any
of the more esoteric bits and pieces.

When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I
first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was
talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to
save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could
help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26
TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business).

It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over
searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if
you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame
a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and
accessories, despite the high margins.

Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts,
accessory, and repair business after Covid is over.


Some years ago I went to the main wholesale Shimano, and other bike
parts, dealer in Bangkok looking for a rim and spokes to rebuild a
wheel. I had patronized them in the past and they remembered me and
told me that they no longer carried wheel parts as, "nobody wants them
now".

I suggest that it is likely that most dealers and wholesalers do
exactly the same - if there is a demand then they stock it, if not
then why bother.


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Cheers,

John B.

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Old August 1st 20, 02:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Much wisdom he

https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/


Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer
are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any
of the more esoteric bits and pieces.

When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I
first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was
talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to
save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could
help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26
TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business).

It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over
searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if
you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame
a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and
accessories, despite the high margins.

Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts,
accessory, and repair business after Covid is over.


One might have thought that you would go to any auto parts store. You do know that the majority of autos in the USA use metric parts do you not?
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Old August 1st 20, 03:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/1/2020 8:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Much wisdom he

https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/

Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer
are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any
of the more esoteric bits and pieces.

When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I
first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was
talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to
save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could
help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26
TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business).

It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over
searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if
you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame
a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and
accessories, despite the high margins.

Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts,
accessory, and repair business after Covid is over.


One might have thought that you would go to any auto parts store. You do know that the majority of autos in the USA use metric parts do you not?


Sometimes that's good advice. In this case, not so much.

Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those
axles and Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread. Even if you
decided that 'something close' would do, there are no
m11x1.0 nuts in common use anywhere, not autos, not
McMaster-Carr or what have you.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old August 1st 20, 04:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 3:08:33 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/1/2020 8:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Much wisdom he

https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/

Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer
are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any
of the more esoteric bits and pieces.

When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I
first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was
talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to
save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could
help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26
TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business).

It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over
searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if
you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame
a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and
accessories, despite the high margins.

Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts,
accessory, and repair business after Covid is over.


One might have thought that you would go to any auto parts store. You do know that the majority of autos in the USA use metric parts do you not?


Sometimes that's good advice. In this case, not so much.

Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those
axles and Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread. Even if you
decided that 'something close' would do, there are no
m11x1.0 nuts in common use anywhere, not autos, not
McMaster-Carr or what have you.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


A helpful fellow on another conference sent me a 7mm titanium bolt for use in attaching my Brooks B73 saddle to a micro-adjustable head on the seat post. He had to send away to Canada for it... I have a small lathe on which I could turn such a thing (after working out how to do computer control because I don't have enough skill on a lathe to do such a thing manually with the essential precision) but where would I get a piece of hex titanium rod with some kind of guarantee that it is the right tensile strength? I don't fancy a seat post up a tender place.

-- AJ
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Old August 1st 20, 07:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/1/2020 7:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:

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Sometimes that's good advice. In this case, not so much.

Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those axles and
Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread.Ā* Even if you decided that
'something close' would do, there are no m11x1.0 nuts in common use
anywhere, not autos, not McMaster-Carr or what have you.


Tom is wrong of courseā„¢, as you point out. That SRAM/Sachs cap nut is a
custom part not used anywhere else. The reason for 10.5mm is because
SRAM/Sachs felt that they needed a slightly, stronger, larger diameter
axle for their Dual-Drive hub.

Here is an image of the nut:
https://www.getmefixed.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_6648_GetMeFixed_.jpg

Here's a Reddit thread about this nut, including an answer from Sheldon
Brown:
http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/archive/index.php?t-127104.html.

Here is a shop in the UK selling them:
https://www.getmefixed.co.uk/shop/wheelsandtyres/hubs/hub-spares/sram-leisure-axle-nut-cap-nut-domed-10-5mm-x-26-tpi/.

As Sheldon pointed out, in a pinch you can use a Sturmey-Archer 13/32 x
26 TPI cap nut instead (13/32"=10.32mm).
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Old August 1st 20, 09:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:08:33 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/1/2020 8:51 AM, wrote:
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Much wisdom he

https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/

Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer
are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any
of the more esoteric bits and pieces.

When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I
first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was
talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to
save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could
help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26
TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business).

It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over
searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if
you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame
a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and
accessories, despite the high margins.

Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts,
accessory, and repair business after Covid is over.


One might have thought that you would go to any auto parts store. You do know that the majority of autos in the USA use metric parts do you not?


Sometimes that's good advice. In this case, not so much.

Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those
axles and Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread. Even if you
decided that 'something close' would do, there are no
m11x1.0 nuts in common use anywhere, not autos, not
McMaster-Carr or what have you.


I will go to Rock Auto or Ace Hardware for my metric connectors.
 




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