psychos

hippy:

"Jose Rizal" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I started collecting licence plate numbers and noting details of
what drivers actually did a while ago, so that when I got 'enough'
I could put them all on a website somewhere with a nice message
to them all...

Nor is it fair. Without casting judgement on the veracity of your
complaints, the fact is readers will only have your side of the story
and your word on the matter. You can see that the potential for
someone
being malicious is great; who determines (and how) whether the
accusation of bad behaviour on another is fair or not?

But don't a lot of websites only have the author's side of the story?
Don't a lot of books?

The difference is that these have identifiable ownership, that is, book
authors are not anonymous, website authors can be traced, and the
accusations there are attributable and verifiable to an extent.
Anonymous contributions of complaints can't be checked for veracity.

Obviously I can see what you are saying and I agree with you to
a certain degree - that's half the reason I've not made the site -
but isn't it actually within my rights to do so?

Only if you do it in a verifiable way, I would think. Otherwise, your
right to swing your arms ends at the tip of someone else's nose.

It's not actually identifying the driver and it seems like a nice way
to vent... I'll wait and see what happens :-)

I think license plates can identify drivers. If not by name, then
certainly by sight; the biggest problem is that the accused wouldn't be
able to defend him/herself easily. The Internet can be a powerful
weapon, but it needs to be handled responsibly.

I still don't see why rocket-propelled grenades are not fitted as
standard equipment to bikes...is is manufacturing costs? What?

Too much collateral damage.

hippy:

"Jose Rizal" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I started collecting licence plate numbers and noting details of
what drivers actually did a while ago, so that when I got 'enough'
I could put them all on a website somewhere with a nice message
to them all...

Nor is it fair. Without casting judgement on the veracity of your
complaints, the fact is readers will only have your side of the story
and your word on the matter. You can see that the potential for
someone
being malicious is great; who determines (and how) whether the
accusation of bad behaviour on another is fair or not?

But don't a lot of websites only have the author's side of the story?
Don't a lot of books?

The difference is that these have identifiable ownership, that is, book
authors are not anonymous, website authors can be traced, and the
accusations there are attributable and verifiable to an extent.
Anonymous contributions of complaints can't be checked for veracity.

Obviously I can see what you are saying and I agree with you to
a certain degree - that's half the reason I've not made the site -
but isn't it actually within my rights to do so?

Only if you do it in a verifiable way, I would think. Otherwise, your
right to swing your arms ends at the tip of someone else's nose.

It's not actually identifying the driver and it seems like a nice way
to vent... I'll wait and see what happens :-)

I think license plates can identify drivers. If not by name, then
certainly by sight; the biggest problem is that the accused wouldn't be
able to defend him/herself easily. The Internet can be a powerful
weapon, but it needs to be handled responsibly.

I still don't see why rocket-propelled grenades are not fitted as
standard equipment to bikes...is is manufacturing costs? What?

Too much collateral damage.

Trevor S:

Jose Rizal wrote in news:eVf3b.19206$8i2.4565
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

snip


The biggest problem with this idea is how to ensure that it is not
abused. How will you decide whether someone's complaint of a driver is
true or not? How will you determine whether someone has exaggerated a
situation, or unfairly blames someone else for his/her own mistake?

Not easily nor practically achievable, that's for sure.

Coincidentally I have been thinking about this very topic for quite some
time Your point is the main problem I forsaw (aside from any legal
ramification). The only way I saw past it was to only allow people you
know and trust to send you the information for you to post on the site. By
myslef I can probably get 3 - 5 a day, ranging from the stupid to the
downright dangerous, with 5 "trusted" friends, that's whole lota number
plates in a short time.

Having the contributors to such a website truly identified will
discourage maliciousness to a great extent. However, it's still one's
word against another, except that the other doesn't have an easy way to
refute the accusation unless it's allowed for on the site. It can then
become an argument forum; will its function exist when that happens?

Trevor S:

Jose Rizal wrote in news:eVf3b.19206$8i2.4565
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

snip


The biggest problem with this idea is how to ensure that it is not
abused. How will you decide whether someone's complaint of a driver is
true or not? How will you determine whether someone has exaggerated a
situation, or unfairly blames someone else for his/her own mistake?

Not easily nor practically achievable, that's for sure.

Coincidentally I have been thinking about this very topic for quite some
time Your point is the main problem I forsaw (aside from any legal
ramification). The only way I saw past it was to only allow people you
know and trust to send you the information for you to post on the site. By
myslef I can probably get 3 - 5 a day, ranging from the stupid to the
downright dangerous, with 5 "trusted" friends, that's whole lota number
plates in a short time.

Having the contributors to such a website truly identified will
discourage maliciousness to a great extent. However, it's still one's
word against another, except that the other doesn't have an easy way to
refute the accusation unless it's allowed for on the site. It can then
become an argument forum; will its function exist when that happens?

Ray

If you have no satisfaction at your cop shop contact the bicycle cops directly.
They will always help out a fellow rider and they take these reports seriously.
Russell Lindsay
Melbourne Bicycle Patrol
Ph.9247 5517

Rgds
Zig

Ray Peace wrote:

Greetings,
Have survived yet another encounter with a motorised
psycho yesterday afternoon, I will out this one on the net and see what
happens.
The turd in question was the driver of DJY-997, the male (early 20s, P
for Pillock Plates, naturally) driver of a white 1988 Honda Civic sedan
who deliberately swerved so that his ****wit passenger could try to pull
me off. The police (Camberwell), needless to say, don't give a ****, the
usual Your Word Against His, except I'm the one that gets killed.
I don't recommend kicking his panels in if you happen to see him, but I
certainly felt like it, perhaps advise him politely that his moronic
motoring is now public domain.
Regards,
Ray

Ray

If you have no satisfaction at your cop shop contact the bicycle cops directly.
They will always help out a fellow rider and they take these reports seriously.
Russell Lindsay
Melbourne Bicycle Patrol
Ph.9247 5517

Rgds
Zig

Ray Peace wrote:

Greetings,
Have survived yet another encounter with a motorised
psycho yesterday afternoon, I will out this one on the net and see what
happens.
The turd in question was the driver of DJY-997, the male (early 20s, P
for Pillock Plates, naturally) driver of a white 1988 Honda Civic sedan
who deliberately swerved so that his ****wit passenger could try to pull
me off. The police (Camberwell), needless to say, don't give a ****, the
usual Your Word Against His, except I'm the one that gets killed.
I don't recommend kicking his panels in if you happen to see him, but I
certainly felt like it, perhaps advise him politely that his moronic
motoring is now public domain.
Regards,
Ray

I think the only way you can do something like what you are proposing is
publish a list of drivers who have been *convicted* in a court of law.
We all know that this is a very small percentage of offenders, but
people also have a right to a fair trial before being smeared.
There is a website (I think crimenet.com or similar) that allows fee
paying subscribers to check if an individual is on the public record for
being convicted of an offence (such as larceny etc).

- Luther
(v. tired, sorry for poor grammar)

I think the only way you can do something like what you are proposing is
publish a list of drivers who have been *convicted* in a court of law.
We all know that this is a very small percentage of offenders, but
people also have a right to a fair trial before being smeared.
There is a website (I think crimenet.com or similar) that allows fee
paying subscribers to check if an individual is on the public record for
being convicted of an offence (such as larceny etc).

- Luther
(v. tired, sorry for poor grammar)

Stuart Verrier wrote in message


[...]

One ettiquette issue I have always struggled to come to grips with is
how people perceive riders "carefully" running red lights. I know I
meander through them down on beach street in the early morning but by
doing that I question the right I have to blast drivers when they do
the wrong thing. There seems to be a split amoungst the riding
community as to what is accepted and what isn't. Last weekend our
group of 45 was split into two or three groups due to the various
attitudes amoungst us and it never regained its momentum.

Any thoughts?

It's illegal, full stop. Etiquette doesn't come into it.

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Stuart Verrier wrote in message


[...]

One ettiquette issue I have always struggled to come to grips with is
how people perceive riders "carefully" running red lights. I know I
meander through them down on beach street in the early morning but by
doing that I question the right I have to blast drivers when they do
the wrong thing. There seems to be a split amoungst the riding
community as to what is accepted and what isn't. Last weekend our
group of 45 was split into two or three groups due to the various
attitudes amoungst us and it never regained its momentum.

Any thoughts?

It's illegal, full stop. Etiquette doesn't come into it.

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