Wire spoked car wheels?

Does anyone know of books or web information about the details
wire-spoked car wheels?

I'm hoping for something like the intriguing details that appear in
the usual RBT debates about bicycle wheels.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:03:26 -0700, carlfogel wrote:

Does anyone know of books or web information about the details
wire-spoked car wheels?

I'm hoping for something like the intriguing details that appear in the
usual RBT debates about bicycle wheels.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

what should this book contain? assertions that fatigue can be eliminated
from spoke materials with no endurance limit? that load calculations can
masquerade as strength calculations? that spoke tension should be "as
high as the rim can bear"? that tensiometer math needn't account for
spoke stiffness?

or is this book to be written by a real engineer that stayed awake in
class and gets it reviewed by other real engineers that stayed awake
also? because that would be revolutionary hereabouts.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:03:26 -0700, may have
said:

Does anyone know of books or web information about the details
wire-spoked car wheels?

Rats. I actually had a collection of old articles about that years
ago, taken from sports car enthusiast magazines of the 1960s and
prior...but it went into the recycling bin when I was cleaning out
stuff to move; it seemed pointless to keep them since I had no intent
to ever become re-involved with mobile oil leakages, and most of the
articles dealt with the joys of classic British vehicles.

I'm hoping for something like the intriguing details that appear in
the usual RBT debates about bicycle wheels.

They were every bit as opinionated, at the very least.

I'd bet that Jobst could point you at a physical archive, though.


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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:56:38 -0600, Werehatrack wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:03:26 -0700, may have said:

Does anyone know of books or web information about the details
wire-spoked car wheels?

Rats. I actually had a collection of old articles about that years ago,
taken from sports car enthusiast magazines of the 1960s and prior...but
it went into the recycling bin when I was cleaning out stuff to move; it
seemed pointless to keep them since I had no intent to ever become
re-involved with mobile oil leakages, and most of the articles dealt
with the joys of classic British vehicles.

I'm hoping for something like the intriguing details that appear in the
usual RBT debates about bicycle wheels.

They were every bit as opinionated, at the very least.

I'd bet that Jobst could point you at a physical archive, though.

one that he'd actually read??? good luck on that!

wrote:
Does anyone know of books or web information about the details
wire-spoked car wheels?

I'm hoping for something like the intriguing details that appear in
the usual RBT debates about bicycle wheels.

A Triumph or MG forum might be a good place to start. AFAIK (an uncle
has a couple of cars with them) they can't be trued in the same way as a
bike wheel, although they are often rebuilt. Their two main problems
are (1) the splines on the knock-off hubs (no room at the hub for lug
nuts, you see) tend to wear out and (2) they're an absolute beast to
clean. They were almost immediately killed off by cast "alloy" wheels,
which are easily cleaned, while using the same bolt-on attachment as
pressed steel wheels.

The spokes are usually chromed steel, and some racetracks ban them
because they're slightly more brittle than painted (or s/s) spokes.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:03:26 -0700, wrote:

Does anyone know of books or web information about the details
wire-spoked car wheels?

I'm hoping for something like the intriguing details that appear in
the usual RBT debates about bicycle wheels.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Aha! I'd forgotten this photo, which I mentioned last year

http://imageevent.com/dernysportuk/s...=1&n=1&l=0&z=4

Another weird wire circle or hoop inside the wheel, a much earlier
date, around 1900-1910.

Given the photo, some aerodynamic theory seems likely.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

In article ,
Zog The Undeniable wrote:

wrote:
Does anyone know of books or web information about the details
wire-spoked car wheels?

I'm hoping for something like the intriguing details that appear in
the usual RBT debates about bicycle wheels.

A Triumph or MG forum might be a good place to start. AFAIK (an uncle
has a couple of cars with them) they can't be trued in the same way as a
bike wheel, although they are often rebuilt. Their two main problems
are (1) the splines on the knock-off hubs (no room at the hub for lug
nuts, you see) tend to wear out and (2) they're an absolute beast to
clean.

You mean I have to _clean_ them?
I'll send out the Guatemalan house maid with a tooth brush.

--
Michael Press

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/3166201.jpg this steam
tractor is in death valley. the wheels are radial laced and offset at
the rims like the old weinman a124 a129 this gives them more lateral
strenght. The weinman rims failed because the rim was too thin at the
spoke holes.The oldtimers have forgotten more than detroit has ever
known.

"havasuyahoo" wrote in message
...
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/3166201.jpg this steam
tractor is in death valley. the wheels are radial laced and offset at
the rims like the old weinman a124 a129 this gives them more lateral
strenght. The weinman rims failed because the rim was too thin at the
spoke holes.The oldtimers have forgotten more than detroit has ever
known.

Isn't that radial lacing on the drive wheel a bad idea, only working because
of the overengineering?

Clive George wrote:

havasuyahoo wrote:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/3166201.jpg

this steam
tractor is in death valley. the wheels are radial laced and offset at
the rims like the *old weinman a124 a129 this gives them more lateral
strenght. The weinman rims failed because the rim was too thin at the
spoke holes.The oldtimers have forgotten more than detroit has ever
known.

Isn't that radial lacing on the drive wheel a bad idea, only working because
of the overengineering?

Probably. The machine looks like it might predate cross-spoking.
Spokes that thick would be difficult to lace across each other
anyway-- there would have to be some offset at the hub flanges between
leading and trailing spokes.

1920s cars often used half-radial lacing, with tangential inboard
spokes and a larger bracing angle on the radial outboard spokes.

Chalo