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So you admit HIKERS kill the wildlife!!!!
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:47:33 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: Of course. Just A LOT LESS than any mountain biker. Anecdotal. Where is your documented 3rd party evidence showing these numbers? It's obvious. No - It isn't OBVIOUS unless that is all you want to see. A hiker can and will step over an animal on the trail. A mountain biker most likely will never even know it was there, and will certainly crush it. Your lack of experience about the riding habits and attentions of cyclists is evident in your statement of OPINION. But it's TRUE. No. I have seen the dead snakes that prove it. Where is the PROOF? Where are the photos? Where are the witnesses that saw the cyclist hit a LIVE snake? Where is the documentation showing the only possible cause was a cyclist? WHERE IS IT? Obviously, you don't really care. I don't care because I won't give you a pass on unsubstantiated statements...? I don't care because I insist on proof of your charges...? I don't really care about your lies... I'll give you that. And I and others make sure everyone is well aware of your lies. By doing so, we allow a greater cooperation between all groups without bickering over the misinformation you present. That greater cooperation allows for better discussions on preservasion which you obviously don't care about. It is your OPINION that off-road cyclists can not ride AND see their surroundings and obstacles (IE: wildlife on trail) You attempt to use your limited experience of off-road cycling as a factor in determining how everyone else must perceive it. That is evident as your OPINION is constantly used in place of FACT. There are examples in zoological museums. What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? You can tell by the width of the wound: identical to the width of a mountain bike tire, which doesn't match any shoe. Really...? The existence of what you say is a mountain bike tire mark proves they were killed by mountain bikers....? You do not even entertain the POSSIBILITY they were dead before the marks were made... Not likely. I have NEVER seen a dead snake there, until one was killed by a mountain biker. Did YOU SEE the cyclist hit it? Who else was present? Do you have corroboration? Do you have PROOF it was not already dead from some other cause? Where is the PROOF the only possible cause was a cyclist? The biologist who examined it agrees that it was killed by a mountain biker. There is no other possible answer. Names...? Association... ? Documentation...? Background...? Without it, it is still you simply saying "because I say so" which is hardly acceptable. While you are at it, show the conclusive process that allows this "biologist" to say it was "killed" by a cyclist and not already dead when a cyclist may have encountered it. This is, as it has always been, an example you CLAIM proves off-road cyclist behavior but you have no REAL EVIDENCE. Your word means NOTHING. Beyond that you are AGAIN avoiding the DIRECT questions: What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? STILL NO ANSWER TO DIRECT QUESTIONS ON POINT AND PROOF. And that speaks VOLUMES on your credibility as a LIAR. STILL NO ANSWER on a direct point YOU MADE. YOU stated "There are examples in zoological museums". So, go ahead, which examples...? Which museums...? If there are examples, then it should be easy for you to supply the names. |
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:40:20 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:47:33 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: Of course. Just A LOT LESS than any mountain biker. Anecdotal. Where is your documented 3rd party evidence showing these numbers? It's obvious. No - It isn't OBVIOUS unless that is all you want to see. A hiker can and will step over an animal on the trail. A mountain biker most likely will never even know it was there, and will certainly crush it. Your lack of experience about the riding habits and attentions of cyclists is evident in your statement of OPINION. But it's TRUE. No. I have seen the dead snakes that prove it. Where is the PROOF? Where are the photos? Where are the witnesses that saw the cyclist hit a LIVE snake? Where is the documentation showing the only possible cause was a cyclist? WHERE IS IT? Obviously, you don't really care. I don't care because I won't give you a pass on unsubstantiated statements...? I don't care because I insist on proof of your charges...? I don't really care about your lies. "Lies"? You haven't found even ONE yet! (Hint: there aren't any. I don't need to lie, since the truth is on my side.) ... I'll give you that. And I and others make sure everyone is well aware of your lies. By doing so, we allow a greater cooperation between all groups without bickering over the misinformation you present. That greater cooperation allows for better discussions on preservasion which you obviously don't care about. It is your OPINION that off-road cyclists can not ride AND see their surroundings and obstacles (IE: wildlife on trail) You attempt to use your limited experience of off-road cycling as a factor in determining how everyone else must perceive it. That is evident as your OPINION is constantly used in place of FACT. There are examples in zoological museums. What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? You can tell by the width of the wound: identical to the width of a mountain bike tire, which doesn't match any shoe. Really...? The existence of what you say is a mountain bike tire mark proves they were killed by mountain bikers....? You do not even entertain the POSSIBILITY they were dead before the marks were made... Not likely. I have NEVER seen a dead snake there, until one was killed by a mountain biker. Did YOU SEE the cyclist hit it? Who else was present? Do you have corroboration? Do you have PROOF it was not already dead from some other cause? Where is the PROOF the only possible cause was a cyclist? The biologist who examined it agrees that it was killed by a mountain biker. There is no other possible answer. Names...? Association... ? Documentation...? Background...? Without it, it is still you simply saying "because I say so" which is hardly acceptable. While you are at it, show the conclusive process that allows this "biologist" to say it was "killed" by a cyclist and not already dead when a cyclist may have encountered it. If yiu were HONEST, which you aren't, you would find your OWN snake or other animal killed by a mountain biker. They must be pretty common. This is, as it has always been, an example you CLAIM proves off-road cyclist behavior but you have no REAL EVIDENCE. Your word means NOTHING. Beyond that you are AGAIN avoiding the DIRECT questions: What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? STILL NO ANSWER TO DIRECT QUESTIONS ON POINT AND PROOF. And that speaks VOLUMES on your credibility as a LIAR. STILL NO ANSWER on a direct point YOU MADE. YOU stated "There are examples in zoological museums". So, go ahead, which examples...? Which museums...? If there are examples, then it should be easy for you to supply the names. If you were smart (or cared), you would already know that information. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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On 30 Jan 2007 21:03:32 -0800, "tom" wrote:
On Jan 30, 7:40 pm, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:47:33 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: Of course. Just A LOT LESS than any mountain biker. Anecdotal. Where is your documented 3rd party evidence showing these numbers? It's obvious. No - It isn't OBVIOUS unless that is all you want to see. A hiker can and will step over an animal on the trail. A mountain biker most likely will never even know it was there, and will certainly crush it. Your lack of experience about the riding habits and attentions of cyclists is evident in your statement of OPINION. But it's TRUE. No. I have seen the dead snakes that prove it. Where is the PROOF? Where are the photos? Where are the witnesses that saw the cyclist hit a LIVE snake? Where is the documentation showing the only possible cause was a cyclist? WHERE IS IT? Obviously, you don't really care. I don't care because I won't give you a pass on unsubstantiated statements...? I don't care because I insist on proof of your charges...? I don't really care about your lies... I'll give you that. And I and others make sure everyone is well aware of your lies. By doing so, we allow a greater cooperation between all groups without bickering over the misinformation you present. That greater cooperation allows for better discussions on preservasion which you obviously don't care about. It is your OPINION that off-road cyclists can not ride AND see their surroundings and obstacles (IE: wildlife on trail) You attempt to use your limited experience of off-road cycling as a factor in determining how everyone else must perceive it. That is evident as your OPINION is constantly used in place of FACT. There are examples in zoological museums. What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? You can tell by the width of the wound: identical to the width of a mountain bike tire, which doesn't match any shoe. Really...? The existence of what you say is a mountain bike tire mark proves they were killed by mountain bikers....? You do not even entertain the POSSIBILITY they were dead before the marks were made... Not likely. I have NEVER seen a dead snake there, until one was killed by a mountain biker. Did YOU SEE the cyclist hit it? Who else was present? Do you have corroboration? Do you have PROOF it was not already dead from some other cause? Where is the PROOF the only possible cause was a cyclist? The biologist who examined it agrees that it was killed by a mountain biker. There is no other possible answer. Names...? Association... ? Documentation...? Background...? Without it, it is still you simply saying "because I say so" which is hardly acceptable. While you are at it, show the conclusive process that allows this "biologist" to say it was "killed" by a cyclist and not already dead when a cyclist may have encountered it. This is, as it has always been, an example you CLAIM proves off-road cyclist behavior but you have no REAL EVIDENCE. Your word means NOTHING. Beyond that you are AGAIN avoiding the DIRECT questions: What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? STILL NO ANSWER TO DIRECT QUESTIONS ON POINT AND PROOF. And that speaks VOLUMES on your credibility as a LIAR. STILL NO ANSWER on a direct point YOU MADE. YOU stated "There are examples in zoological museums". So, go ahead, which examples...? Which museums...? If there are examples, then it should be easy for you to supply the names. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, here goes again. Mr. Curtis, bless you, but why do you even argue with him? I do enjoy your logical repartee, of course, and you kill him, but he's got you where he wants you. And you, too. And everyone else who is simply AFRAID TO TELL THE TRUTH! Acknowledging him. Why don't we try the derailment technique with vandeman, as done with libby? There seems to be some respite from libby recently. (****, I might have just screwed that one up). Tom === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:40:20 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:47:33 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message m... On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: Of course. Just A LOT LESS than any mountain biker. Anecdotal. Where is your documented 3rd party evidence showing these numbers? It's obvious. No - It isn't OBVIOUS unless that is all you want to see. A hiker can and will step over an animal on the trail. A mountain biker most likely will never even know it was there, and will certainly crush it. Your lack of experience about the riding habits and attentions of cyclists is evident in your statement of OPINION. But it's TRUE. No. I have seen the dead snakes that prove it. Where is the PROOF? Where are the photos? Where are the witnesses that saw the cyclist hit a LIVE snake? Where is the documentation showing the only possible cause was a cyclist? WHERE IS IT? Obviously, you don't really care. I don't care because I won't give you a pass on unsubstantiated statements...? I don't care because I insist on proof of your charges...? I don't really care about your lies. "Lies"? You haven't found even ONE yet! (Hint: there aren't any. I don't need to lie, since the truth is on my side.) Just this past week you claimed a skier was killed in an illegal area when the piece YOU posted showed it was an expert backcountry area. Just this past week you claimed environmentalists do not drive. Recently you claimed a thief and murderer was a "mountain biker" after he stole a bicycle to get away. In response to a news article citing real statisitics "ecoterrorism remains one of the country's most active terrorist movements." You claim "Except for mountain bikers, who ride illegally every day." completely ignoring the legal status recognized by the NPS, NFS, and local land managers. Not long ago you claimed "mountain bikers have the most serious injuries" yet the actual numbers and news research showed the highest number of serious injuries nationwide happen inside the home. *You promptly abandoned the thread, as usual, when faced with real information. And, above, you claim I do not care simply because I challenge your unsubstantiated statements concerning the cause of animal deaths. You have no comprehension of my level of concern beyond your attempt to get away from a direct question All of the above represent obvious LIES on your part. Documented and easily searched. .. I'll give you that. And I and others make sure everyone is well aware of your lies. By doing so, we allow a greater cooperation between all groups without bickering over the misinformation you present. That greater cooperation allows for better discussions on preservasion which you obviously don't care about. It is your OPINION that off-road cyclists can not ride AND see their surroundings and obstacles (IE: wildlife on trail) You attempt to use your limited experience of off-road cycling as a factor in determining how everyone else must perceive it. That is evident as your OPINION is constantly used in place of FACT. There are examples in zoological museums. What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? You can tell by the width of the wound: identical to the width of a mountain bike tire, which doesn't match any shoe. Really...? The existence of what you say is a mountain bike tire mark proves they were killed by mountain bikers....? You do not even entertain the POSSIBILITY they were dead before the marks were made... Not likely. I have NEVER seen a dead snake there, until one was killed by a mountain biker. Did YOU SEE the cyclist hit it? Who else was present? Do you have corroboration? Do you have PROOF it was not already dead from some other cause? Where is the PROOF the only possible cause was a cyclist? The biologist who examined it agrees that it was killed by a mountain biker. There is no other possible answer. Names...? Association... ? Documentation...? Background...? Without it, it is still you simply saying "because I say so" which is hardly acceptable. While you are at it, show the conclusive process that allows this "biologist" to say it was "killed" by a cyclist and not already dead when a cyclist may have encountered it. If yiu were HONEST, which you aren't, you would find your OWN snake or other animal killed by a mountain biker. They must be pretty common. Thats a laugh! You say they exist therefore it is on you to provide the PROOF. Your statement "They must be pretty common" is an assumption based on your OPINION. I've been riding for years and haven't come across an animal that shows signs it was killed by a cyclist. It is rare to find a dead animal along the trail killed by any means. You can either provide the scientific and conclusive evidence from this biologist (a name, and facility association as well) or you are claiming something you can not prove. "Because you say so" is not evidence. If you were HONEST, you would have NO DIFFICULTY providing this proof. This is, as it has always been, an example you CLAIM proves off-road cyclist behavior but you have no REAL EVIDENCE. Your word means NOTHING. Beyond that you are AGAIN avoiding the DIRECT questions: What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? STILL NO ANSWER TO DIRECT QUESTIONS ON POINT AND PROOF. And that speaks VOLUMES on your credibility as a LIAR. STILL NO ANSWER on a direct point YOU MADE. YOU stated "There are examples in zoological museums". So, go ahead, which examples...? Which museums...? If there are examples, then it should be easy for you to supply the names. If you were smart (or cared), you would already know that information. Sorry - my "Kreskin Skills" are limited when it comes to devining information from morons. YOU say it is there. If you honestly thought your statements were true, you would gladly offer real information to support them instead of trying to sidetrack and misdirect inquiries. So.... Either provide proof of your statements or, by not doing so, provide the proof you are lying That should be easy to grasp by someone with a PhD... Even if it is on fast food preperation. |
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Mike Vandeman wrote in
: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:40:20 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:47:33 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message m... On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:40:08 -0500, "S Curtiss" wrote: Of course. Just A LOT LESS than any mountain biker. Anecdotal. Where is your documented 3rd party evidence showing these numbers? It's obvious. No - It isn't OBVIOUS unless that is all you want to see. A hiker can and will step over an animal on the trail. A mountain biker most likely will never even know it was there, and will certainly crush it. Your lack of experience about the riding habits and attentions of cyclists is evident in your statement of OPINION. But it's TRUE. No. I have seen the dead snakes that prove it. Where is the PROOF? Where are the photos? Where are the witnesses that saw the cyclist hit a LIVE snake? Where is the documentation showing the only possible cause was a cyclist? WHERE IS IT? Obviously, you don't really care. I don't care because I won't give you a pass on unsubstantiated statements...? I don't care because I insist on proof of your charges...? I don't really care about your lies. "Lies"? You haven't found even ONE yet! (Hint: there aren't any. I don't need to lie, since the truth is on my side.) .. I'll give you that. And I and others make sure everyone is well aware of your lies. By doing so, we allow a greater cooperation between all groups without bickering over the misinformation you present. That greater cooperation allows for better discussions on preservasion which you obviously don't care about. It is your OPINION that off-road cyclists can not ride AND see their surroundings and obstacles (IE: wildlife on trail) You attempt to use your limited experience of off-road cycling as a factor in determining how everyone else must perceive it. That is evident as your OPINION is constantly used in place of FACT. There are examples in zoological museums. What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? You can tell by the width of the wound: identical to the width of a mountain bike tire, which doesn't match any shoe. Really...? The existence of what you say is a mountain bike tire mark proves they were killed by mountain bikers....? You do not even entertain the POSSIBILITY they were dead before the marks were made... Not likely. I have NEVER seen a dead snake there, until one was killed by a mountain biker. Did YOU SEE the cyclist hit it? Who else was present? Do you have corroboration? Do you have PROOF it was not already dead from some other cause? Where is the PROOF the only possible cause was a cyclist? The biologist who examined it agrees that it was killed by a mountain biker. There is no other possible answer. Names...? Association... ? Documentation...? Background...? Without it, it is still you simply saying "because I say so" which is hardly acceptable. While you are at it, show the conclusive process that allows this "biologist" to say it was "killed" by a cyclist and not already dead when a cyclist may have encountered it. If yiu were HONEST, which you aren't, you would find your OWN snake or other animal killed by a mountain biker. They must be pretty common. This is, as it has always been, an example you CLAIM proves off-road cyclist behavior but you have no REAL EVIDENCE. Your word means NOTHING. Beyond that you are AGAIN avoiding the DIRECT questions: What examples? Which museums? Which ones are labeled "destroyed" or "crushed" by "mountain bikers"? Which ones have documents showing they were definately killed by mountain bikers? Which ones document eye witness accounts of the death by "mountain bikers"? STILL NO ANSWER TO DIRECT QUESTIONS ON POINT AND PROOF. And that speaks VOLUMES on your credibility as a LIAR. STILL NO ANSWER on a direct point YOU MADE. YOU stated "There are examples in zoological museums". So, go ahead, which examples...? Which museums...? If there are examples, then it should be easy for you to supply the names. If you were smart (or cared), you would already know that information.\ I find mikeys little responses so amusing. He can't even support his own arguments. Quite pathetic actually === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Ale Brewer wrote:
I find mikeys little responses so amusing. He can't even support his own arguments. Quite pathetic actually Almost as pathetic as re-posting 7 KB's worth of Vandedrivel {tm} just to add your too little sense. HTH. BS (really) |
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Ale Brewer wrote:
I find mikeys little responses so amusing. He can't even support his own arguments. Quite pathetic actually Almost as pathetic as re-posting 7 KB's worth of Vandedrivel {tm} just to add your too little sense. HTH. BS (really) |
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Bill Sornson wrote:
Ale Brewer wrote: I find mikeys little responses so amusing. He can't even support his own arguments. Quite pathetic actually Almost as pathetic as re-posting 7 KB's worth of Vandedrivel {tm} just to add your too little sense. HTH. BS (really) Or double posting even! |
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"wizardB" wrote in message news:ZZrwh.847267$R63.445391@pd7urf1no... Bill Sornson wrote: Ale Brewer wrote: I find mikeys little responses so amusing. He can't even support his own arguments. Quite pathetic actually Almost as pathetic as re-posting 7 KB's worth of Vandedrivel {tm} just to add your too little sense. HTH. BS (really) Or double posting even! That's more stupid than pathetic -- I should know! (Ol' Ale Brew snuck himself into the "Reply Group" option, so my munged addy caused my server to belch. Twice.) Bill "hope that wasn't too techy" S. |
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-- No Signature. Read on. "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:18:43 GMT, "JP" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:49:55 -0800, cc wrote: MattB wrote: cc wrote: GeeDubb wrote: "MattB" wrote in message ... Wow. Scary! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16817149/ Glad he got away alive. Matt "After the attack, game wardens closed the park about 320 miles north of San Francisco and released hounds to track the lion. They later shot and killed a pair of lions found near the trail where the attack happened. The carcasses were flown to a state forensics lab to determine if either animal mauled the man" That is absolutely ridiculous. They should be prosecuted. It's obviously revenge, given the odds of actually finding the same lion. Last time I checked, mountain lions were predators in "nature". . . which a park should represent . . . sheesh. Maybe. I'd think with dogs tracking them there is more likelihood of getting the right one(s) would at least be better than just shooting the first ones they could get. I also see your point about nature, but like it or not humans have pretty much removed themselves from the food chain. I see flaws with doing this in terms of how things "should" play out, but if it was me, my friends or my family involved, I'm less concerned with how the food chain was designed to work. Even in the case where we are encroaching on their habitat with our residences, it is debatable whether we should engage in the "search and destroy" method of elimination of "rogue" wild animals. It is a much more compelling case, however, than doing the same thing to animals that behave as animals when we are supposedly visiting their habitat. The animal kingdom is dangerous. Kill or be killed. The only way to eliminate that danger is to eliminate the animals. Is that what we should do? cc No. Close the park permanently to humans. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande Of course. Just A LOT LESS than any mountain biker. A hiker can and will step over an animal on the trail. A mountain biker most likely will never even know it was there, and will certainly crush it. There are examples in zoological museums. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande Can you please give me an address where I may view the specimens you claim are in zoological museums. I do not believe you have the credentials to make such claims. Have the specimens been peer reviewed, and judged by scientific method to have been "ran over" as you americans say. TJ |
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