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Effectiveness of reflectives
Following the thread at the weekend about reflective gloves and
armbands, I asked a motoring colleague to follow me down the road after work yesterday so that he could give an opinion on the effectiveness of my reflective armbands for signalling. So, I have a sample size of one, in a single location, for an experiment that will be affected by the type of road, the level of street lighting and the fact that he was expecting the signal. But I thought it worthwhile anyway. FWIW, it's a village road. There's no white line, but the road is just about wide enough at most points along its length for two cars to pass, on the rare occasions that nothing is parked. There are sodium lights along one side of the road (the left if I'm riding home, which happens to be the same side that all the cars park). So it's lit, but nowhere near as brightly as the typical urban road. As I think Pete Biggs would have expected, my colleague said that it was a little confusing to see a reflector appear in mid-air when I signalled. As I expected, though, after seeing the reflector the shape of the arm quickly resolved itself and he could see the signal. He felt that the signal was clearer and more visible with the armband than without, but suggested that a second reflective band would be useful to make the shape of the arm more obvious. On the strength of that, I may add bands of reflective tape to the Gore-Tex that is my usual outer layer for winter cycling. My colleague was particularly impressed by the band of reflective tape that I stuck round the bottom of my hat at the weekend. I don't know if a reflective hat would offer as much benefit to an upright cyclist, but I'd say that a reflective belt is probably a good thing (actually, I always used to wear a reflective belt when I rode an upright after dark anyway). -- Danny Colyer (my reply address is valid but checked infrequently) URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/ Subscribe to PlusNet URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/referral/ "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine |
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Danny Colyer wrote:
Following the thread at the weekend about reflective gloves and armbands, I asked a motoring colleague to follow me down the road after work yesterday so that he could give an opinion on the effectiveness of my reflective armbands for signalling. snip experiment My colleague was particularly impressed by the band of reflective tape that I stuck round the bottom of my hat at the weekend. I don't know if a reflective hat would offer as much benefit to an upright cyclist, but I'd say that a reflective belt is probably a good thing (actually, I always used to wear a reflective belt when I rode an upright after dark anyway). Earlier this week I rode with a trainee from Fareham to Southampton along the A27 at peak early evening time. It was advanced level cycle-training, in the dark, with very heavy traffic, and including three lane roundabouts. Most of the riding was at 15-20mph within traffic streams. I had remembered the posts here about armbands and had put reflective bands on. Whilst nowhere near as good an experiment as yours, the effectiveness of them, particularly on the roundabouts was mentioned. What really stood out in my mind though, was the ineffectiveness of the yellow jacket worn by the trainee, who had laid great store in its visibility. It just merged into the gloomy areas between all the vehicle and street lights. John B |
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John B typed
What really stood out in my mind though, was the ineffectiveness of the yellow jacket worn by the trainee, who had laid great store in its visibility. It just merged into the gloomy areas between all the vehicle and street lights. So looking like a lemon drop doesn't even achieve much! I have long thought that reflective materials were the way to go. They can be incorporated into 'normal' clothing fairly well and don't necessarily look gaudy. Different reflective materials vary *enormously* in their performance and Reflexite deteriorates with use as the little plastic pyramids lose their edge after flexing and folding. I like to test reflectives by dressing a friend in them ang usind a head torch or light at eye level in a dark environment. Check your old Sam Browne; it may disappoint! -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Danny Colyer wrote:
........ As I think Pete Biggs would have expected, my colleague said that it was a little confusing to see a reflector appear in mid-air when I signalled. As I expected, though, after seeing the reflector the shape of the arm quickly resolved itself and he could see the signal. He felt that the signal was clearer and more visible with the armband than without, but suggested that a second reflective band would be useful to make the shape of the arm more obvious. On the strength of that, I may add bands of reflective tape to the Gore-Tex that is my usual outer layer for winter cycling. Thanks for doing the test Dan. I'll seriously consider adding some to my sleeves then, practicalities permitting. Doesn't help that my usual winter "jacket" is a really thin Gamex windresistor -- Scotchlite tape is almost thicker (and less flexible) than the material! (I rely on layers underneath to keep me warm). My colleague was particularly impressed by the band of reflective tape that I stuck round the bottom of my hat at the weekend. I don't know if a reflective hat would offer as much benefit to an upright cyclist, Good from the front at least. Mine has a reflective logo. but I'd say that a reflective belt is probably a good thing (actually, I always used to wear a reflective belt when I rode an upright after dark anyway). ~PB |
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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
John B typed What really stood out in my mind though, was the ineffectiveness of the yellow jacket worn by the trainee, who had laid great store in its visibility. It just merged into the gloomy areas between all the vehicle and street lights. So looking like a lemon drop doesn't even achieve much! I don't agree when it comes to the gaudiest yellow or lime-green-yellow ones. I notice them from a distance and reckon they stand out more often than they blend in, against various land/urbanscapes, day and night. Fluorescent orange is sometimes very good (in daylight) as well. I have long thought that reflective materials were the way to go. They can be incorporated into 'normal' clothing fairly well and don't necessarily look gaudy. For those who don't mind gaudy, fluorescents AND reflectives is the way to go. Different reflective materials vary *enormously* in their performance and Reflexite deteriorates with use as the little plastic pyramids lose their edge after flexing and folding. The most reflective type for clothing I've found so far is Scotchlite 8925 with no plastic coating at all. It's quite durable, though may eventually wear out from abrasion. ~PB |
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Pete Biggs wrote: Fluorescent orange is sometimes very good (in daylight) as well. I have heard it said by some who are red green colourblind that the hi-vis orange colour used for eg lawnmower cables and jackets is indistinguishable from grass green.. As this could potentially be 1 in 10 of the male population, I'd go for a different colour. OB jackets.. finally got round to seriously washing my Altura Nevis as it was a bit skanky. Large tub of tepid water, dollop of Vanish gel rubbed into the cuffs with a nailbrush, then soaking for several hours with occasional stirring with a significant helping of Vanish Oxy. Stunning results.. The water that was left looked a bit like Troll Soup. ...d |
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So looking like a lemon drop doesn't even achieve much!
Bright clothing in _daylight_ IS eye-catching. But NBG at night. * If you have a rear mudguard a strip of reflective works a treat and you can forget about it. * If /all/ you can see is reflectives ahead, then you get a _much_ better idea of what the damn thing is if it is connected or moves as if attached to something familiar. That is why some 'suits' with rings round the arms and legs are hopeless when compared with matchstick-man lining. * narrow stripes and tiny blobs will 'get lost in the noise' in an urban environment and not resolve themselves into anything meaningful until more a lot closer in a rural one. PS. If I was the OP I wouldn't be expecting hand signals to be relevant to overall safety of night cycling. A bonus perhaps but if you really try to manoeuvre in conflict with other traffic in a rural environment then you need a lot more road presence than a hand wave can ever give. A hand signal is not going to be relevant to a motorist who is so far away as not to be able to see you at and it is never a 'command' just an indication. If you're stopped and waiting then so are they (eg if behind) or they are carrying on having the right of way. If you are moving then HS is a nice thing but not essential. -- PETER FOX Not the same since the icecream business was liquidated www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists |
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"Peter Fox" wrote in message ... So looking like a lemon drop doesn't even achieve much! Bright clothing in _daylight_ IS eye-catching. But NBG at night. * If you have a rear mudguard a strip of reflective works a treat and you can forget about it. * If /all/ you can see is reflectives ahead, then you get a _much_ better idea of what the damn thing is if it is connected or moves as if attached to something familiar. That is why some 'suits' with rings round the arms and legs are hopeless when compared with matchstick-man lining. Any idea of a particular make of ready-made "matchstick-man" jacket ? (I wanted to write "glow in the dark skeleton" there for some reason ;-) ) I'm currently shopping for a replacement for my ancient, disgusting and exceedingly un-waterprooof twin tone "Lord Anthony" (foppish, eh ? ;-) ) poly cotton wind-cheater I paid 17 quid for 15 years ago. I have a distinct preference for somewhat baggy un-cycling type clothing that lets me carry my shoulder-holster style "man bag" comfortably and is long enough so that following traffic doesn't have to look at my over-generous rump. |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... John B typed What really stood out in my mind though, was the ineffectiveness of the yellow jacket worn by the trainee, who had laid great store in its visibility. It just merged into the gloomy areas between all the vehicle and street lights. So looking like a lemon drop doesn't even achieve much! Well not at night, no :-) But duting daylight & *dull* conditions, bright clothing helps you to stand out & be visible. I have long thought that reflective materials were the way to go. They can be incorporated into 'normal' clothing fairly well and don't necessarily look gaudy. At night, reflectives & lighting certainly are the way to go. Cheers, helen s |
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gentlegreen wrote: Any idea of a particular make of ready-made "matchstick-man" jacket ? (I wanted to write "glow in the dark skeleton" there for some reason ;-) ) Foska.com - more precisely http://www.foska.com/acatalog/Bones.html ...d |
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