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, Pete wrote: That said, if you aren't looking where you're going and you hit something, you're pretty much automatically at fault, especially if what you hit is in the right place. So - IMO, guy at the front gets a new bike (in the same price range, not taking the **** with a 5 grand colnago) and the guy not looking pays. Did you take into account of the fact that it was a voluntary club bunch ride? An activity with known risks? -- |
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"xzzy" wrote: At least in the U.S., the negligent rider's homeowner's or renter's insurance policy probably includes personal liability coverage that would usually apply to an accident other than a motor vehicle accident. any info regrarding this for a negligent rider in Colorado would be helpful Are there insurance coverage with your racing license there in the US? -- |
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Artoi wrote:
Who is at fault here? If you were the cyclist with the wrecked frame, what would you be thinking? What would you expect of the rider who rammed you from behind? -- Clearly, IMO, the fellow who rammed from behind. It's his duty to make sure the way is clear for him to proceed. He failed to do so by looking backwards. |
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@comcast.net says... At least in the U.S., the negligent rider's homeowner's or renter's insurance policy probably includes personal liability coverage that would usually apply to an accident other than a motor vehicle accident. any info regrarding this for a negligent rider in Colorado would be helpful The rider should contact his/her own insurance agent to see if the policy in question has appropriate coverage. I'm not licensed in Colorado and haven't seen the individual's insurance policy, so I can't be more specific than that. -- is Joshua Putnam http://www.phred.org/~josh/ Braze your own bicycle frames. See http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html |
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On Nov 21, 6:39 am, Artoi wrote:
Excuse the cross-posting but I think this could be interesting for discussion. Came across this hypothetical scenario on a cycling forum... Several riders are returning from their weekend club ride and are riding together in a bunch. One cyclist signals turning and another cyclist, riding second wheel in the group, looks back to wave him an extended farewell. In the meanwhile, the cyclist at the head of the bunch signals stopping at a congested round-about, slowing to an almost complete stop. the cyclist waving his mate fails to heed the signal, and the loud warnings of others behind him, and collides with the cyclist at the head of the bunch writing-off his expensive carbon fiber frame. Who is at fault here? If you were the cyclist with the wrecked frame, what would you be thinking? What would you expect of the rider who rammed you from behind? -- I had some co-workers that were involved in a similar incident only funnier. Four of them were out for a noon ride in the late 80's when they spotted Andy Hampsten riding in the other direction. The rider at the front was so awstruck that he stopped pedaling and gawked at Andy. The rider behind was only semi-awstruck because he gawked, but kept pedaling and ran into the rider in front. It was like, "Look, there's Andy Hampsten! Crash! Crash! Crash! Three riders went down. The 2nd rider broke his frame and thought the lead rider should pay to replace it. He lobbyed the "more experienced" riders at work, including myself, hoping to get a judgement that yes indeed he was due a new frame. We all told him it was his fault and that anyway, you accept the risk. He wasn't happy with that and never rode with a co-worker again. He also never acknowledged that it was his mistake that brought the other riders down. All that over a late 80's Trek frame that you couldn't give away today. Bret |
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, SLAVE of THE STATE wrote: On Nov 21, 5:39 am, Artoi wrote: Excuse the cross-posting but I think this could be interesting for discussion. Came across this hypothetical scenario on a cycling forum... Several riders are returning from their weekend club ride and are riding together in a bunch. One cyclist signals turning and another cyclist, riding second wheel in the group, looks back to wave him an extended farewell. In the meanwhile, the cyclist at the head of the bunch signals stopping at a congested round-about, slowing to an almost complete stop. the cyclist waving his mate fails to heed the signal, and the loud warnings of others behind him, and collides with the cyclist at the head of the bunch writing-off his expensive carbon fiber frame. Who is at fault here? The dumbass that rear-ended the other dumbass. If you were the cyclist with the wrecked frame, what would you be thinking? Did Robert make his afternoon training ride? Is Ryan drunk? Is Don looking at porn? Why is my math whacked? Why do french lawyers need a "just kidding" and a smiley face? When will the g-d shed be finished? Why am I cold? This elastic sucks. Why am I so fat? ... CCCAAANNN'''''''''TTTTT TTTTUUURRRNNN IIIITTTT OOOFFFFFFFFFF! MUST BREAK LOOP! MUST BREAK LOOP!!!!!!!!!.......... What would you expect of the rider who rammed you from behind? There is no way a socially responsible individual can replace the carbon frame with another carbon frame. Since everything in the world is about global warming, the carbon footprint must reduced at all costs. Carbon frame: a no-no. Therefore, I suggest a Ti or Al frame replacement. (Steel has carbon in it. Terrible.) BTW, this is the best advice in the whole thread. Heed it. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing |
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Artoi wrote:
As the case caused quite a heated debate within our club, I just want to get the view on this in the wider cycling community. -- *Looks at waistline* Oh... not that sort of wider cylist. G-S |
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Duncan wrote:
If you aren't at least third-party insured and you are racing (or commuting), you're just being naive.. That sounds entirely reasonable to me (but then I manage a transport company for a living and I wouldn't dream of not having insurance on vehicles). Low cost insurance (such as the standard BNSW membership) covers the guilty party (in this case, the guy behind) for this sort of thing: I wonder how many state associations/groups have something similar? G-S |
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