Mountain biker dies on trail

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:33:42 -0700, Bill wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:18:09 GMT, Bill wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:47:05 -0700, Bill wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:52:57 GMT, Bill wrote:
I actually like seriously stressing myself to see if anything breaks.
It might, and then you will not see me posting.
I exist to live life, not watch it.
There must be a name for that disease: you think that if you aren't
speeding somewhere, you aren't living, and you think that anyone who
isn't doing that isn't living. No wonder you come off as an ignorant
hick: you never spend any time LEARNING. Even the inventor of
aerobics, Cooper, said that super-exertion like you are doing is
completely unnecessary.
You are confusing me with the 20 something set. I run full out for the
heart rate max, and bike anywhere from 8 MPH goof off mode to around 18
when I want to get somewhere (on the road). I never trail ride at more
than about 12 MPH so I can see and maybe NOT run over a snake or
whatever. If there is a Blue bellied Skink I will pick it up and play
with it for a while, same as I do with rattle snakes.
Yes, I do catch them by the tail, and they get royally ****ed off, but I
know how not to get bit.
Chew on that tidbit, dimwit.
We are suposed to be impressed? Leave the wildlife alone. They weren't
harming you.

Bill Baka
I didn't harm the snake or the lizard either.

How would you know? Diseases can be transmitted between species, you
know. What you are doing isn't safe for either party.

Bill Baka

Like I'm going to die from handling a lizard or rattlesnake?

Maybe. Ever hear of Hantavirus? You could easily die from handling a
mouse or their droppings.

oh, I am so scared.
I think I will stay in my room and only come out for food and the relief
thereof.

SOOO like a mountain biker, to totally miss the point and poopoo what
anyone else knows. Would it really hurt your little ego to admit that
you don't know everything, and maybe don't even know how to protect
yourself? You are like a caricature of the ignorant mountain biker.

Bill Baka
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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On 13 Jun 2007 14:49:44 GMT, Chris wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:27:44 -0700, Bill wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:39:13 -0700, Bill wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:

Okay, so you have to ride 30 miles to get to the trail. But why can't
you WALK on the trail? Why do you feel it necessary to bike them? A
real he-man like you shouldn't be taking it easy, by using an
energy-saving device such as a bike.

The trail in question is not even ridable at some point and I have to
lug about 70 pounds of bike and supplies of some rocky bad parts.

"Supplies"? I've never needed that much on any camping trip.

Bill Baka

Mike
So you admit that you go camping. By hiking/backpacking to your campsite
you have an impact on the habitat, maybe to a lesser degree than mountain
biking,

Not "maybe", DEFINITELY.

but yet an impact.

Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking/backpacking???

By your own admission, hiking/backpacking scares away anaimals near the
trail, your shoes (Im sure you would never wear rough soled boots into a
wild habitat) destroy small plants and animals.

So I ask again,

Mike
Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking/backpacking?
You should be ashamed of yourself

Chris Foster

It's nice that you are finally able to add 2 + 2. Maybe if you weren't
mountain biking, we could believe that you actually CARE about what
you are saying.

Actually, I can't remember the last time I went backpacking, it was so
long ago. You don't need to go often, for it to be memorable and
satisfying.

On the other hand, most mountain bikers seem to go mountain biking
EVERY WEEK, often more than once a week.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:26:58 -0700, tom wrote:

On Jun 12, 6:48 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:25:36 -0700, tom wrote:


I realize that that was a "discussion" between yourself and another
poster, instigated by 'ol vandeman himself. There's the rub. As to
your second point, yes, it looks, walks and talks like a troll.
Granted, his crossposts are to fairly relevant groups, but even if he
believes himself to be "in the right", it's causing flame wars and
dickering to erupt amongst a group or groups that probably have more
in common than not. Tom

Why? Can't they control themselves? (That's a rhetorical question. We
know the answer.)

See what I mean? Just to be inflammatory is all he appears to attempt.
Stay out of politics, vandeman, as your rhetoric is a bit insensitive.
There's always room for improvement, and you must allow for people to
learn and grow at their own rates.

What is YOUR own rate?

Or not, I suppose.(Yeah, this'll
help) Tom

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:29:24 -0700, Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Jun 12, 1:16 am, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 11, 7:52 pm, "Callistus Valerius"
wrote:
So since you admit that all the stats you put up are pure crap, you have
no
evidence to say my original statement is wrong.
No, the information I posted is correct. The average age at the time
of death for winners of the TDF from 1903 to 1980 is 72.84 years.
So, basically, the "stats" I put up are not crap. Looks like the only
crap around here is on your breath.
Come to think of it, you have yet to provide any citations to prove
your statement that, "Rarely do road pro-cyclists make it to age 60,
most die before that from heart attacks."
Any chance you will ever back up your claim?
How 'bout this ...
I can post links to 100 professional racers who lived to be 65 or
older.
Can you post links to 100 professional racers who died of heart
attacks before the age of 60?
Good luck
R
------------
Instead spending a lot of time compiling data on a sample that has no
relevance to what I claim, why don't we just make bet.
Wait wait wait ... you claimed that, "Rarely do road pro-cyclists make
it to age 60, most die before that from heart attacks."
And out of the thousands of professionals with well documented careers
you can't even come up with 100 that dies before 60 of a heart
attack?
I'm not agreeing with him, but didn't that female Olympic runner Flo-Jo
die from a heart attack at 39?

No, she suffered a seizure caused by aa congenital abnormality known
as "cavernous angioma." The seizure caused her to turn her face into
a pillow, which in essence restricted her intake of oxygen, causing
her to asphyxiate. She suffocated, and she was 38.

Perhaps you were thinking of Flo Hyman. Hyman died due to an aortic
dissection resulting from Marfan syndrome. Just like in Flo-Jo's case
the underlying cause was a genetic disorder.

R



No,
Flo-Jo was the one I heard about. Christopher Reeve died of zero
exercise and being in a wheel chair for ten years.
I will exercise until some day I will drop dead, on MY terms, not in an
old folks home.

Good choice. Old folks are too polite to tell you what a fool you are.

One of the nicer things I do is to stop at the old folks
home and chat with 80+ ladies there, and they just soak up the tales.
Not the radical ones, but the reasonable ones, like I'm gonna kill my
self climbing that mountain some day.
Bill Baka
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:31:34 -0700, Bill wrote:

Marty wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message
news
Marty wrote:
"Bill" wrote to Vandespam in a message
...
Your dim wittedness is showing.
See a wall and run your head into it. That's the scope of what you need
to know about arguing with he who must not be named............ He
doesn't care about getting it.

Marty (mntn biker except when I'm not - his logic not mine)






We have all noticed that. Welcome to the group.
Bill Baka

Yet you continue to bang your head. I look at the Vandespam threads and I
see you winding your way through them like some Newbie.

I've been here for longer than a little bit and have watched well
intentioned and sometimes even articulate skidiots and uninformed drive bys
all take shots at V and it does no good that I can see. Sometimes (like once
a year) I like to try to cut down on the USENET carnage by trying to shine a
light in the V darkness. I didn't realize you were so far beyond that. Have
at it master blaster. You're doing a hell of a job.

Marty


I think you are right. Vandemn, Bricston, and Dolan never seem to have
anything usefull to say.

How would YOU know?

Bill Baka
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman wrote:
SOOO like a mountain biker, to totally miss the point and poopoo what
anyone else knows. Would it really hurt your little ego to admit that
you don't know everything, and maybe don't even know how to protect
yourself? You are like a caricature of the ignorant mountain biker.

No,
I'm so over-educated that now I know how much I don't know, and there
isn't a class for, well, everything.
Bill Baka

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:29:24 -0700, Bill wrote:
No,
Flo-Jo was the one I heard about. Christopher Reeve died of zero
exercise and being in a wheel chair for ten years.
I will exercise until some day I will drop dead, on MY terms, not in an
old folks home.

Good choice. Old folks are too polite to tell you what a fool you are.

I visit them when they are out with their walkers or wheelchairs and
that just motivates me to ride more. See old post below.

One of the nicer things I do is to stop at the old folks
home and chat with 80+ ladies there, and they just soak up the tales.
Not the radical ones, but the reasonable ones, like I'm gonna kill my
self climbing that mountain some day.
Bill Baka

At least I will never have to have an attendant wipe my butt.
Scrape it off the road after a semi encounter, maybe.
Bill Baka

"Bill" wrote in message
et...
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:29:24 -0700, Bill wrote:
No,
Flo-Jo was the one I heard about. Christopher Reeve died of zero
exercise and being in a wheel chair for ten years.
I will exercise until some day I will drop dead, on MY terms, not in an
old folks home.

Good choice. Old folks are too polite to tell you what a fool you are.

I visit them when they are out with their walkers or wheelchairs and that
just motivates me to ride more. See old post below.

One of the nicer things I do is to stop at the old folks
home and chat with 80+ ladies there, and they just soak up the tales.
Not the radical ones, but the reasonable ones, like I'm gonna kill my
self climbing that mountain some day.
Bill Baka

At least I will never have to have an attendant wipe my butt.
Scrape it off the road after a semi encounter, maybe.
Bill Baka

Bill,

Ya gotta killfile the ass.

Mike Vandeman is a sick individual and he needs mental help.

Oz

Oz wrote:

Bill,

Ya gotta killfile the ass.

Mike Vandeman is a sick individual and he needs mental help.

Oz


I know, but Thunderbird doesn't work that way. I have to sort by poster
name and delete manually, then go back to threaded mode. I sent Mozilla
a note on this, but short of writing my own module it won't play with me.
The mail part will filter just about anything.
Scratch Vandeman.
Bill

Bill wrote:
Oz wrote:

Bill,

Ya gotta killfile the ass.

Mike Vandeman is a sick individual and he needs mental help.

Oz

I know, but Thunderbird doesn't work that way. I have to sort by poster
name and delete manually, then go back to threaded mode. I sent Mozilla
a note on this, but short of writing my own module it won't play with me.
The mail part will filter just about anything.
Scratch Vandeman.
Bill

Actually, Bill, you can have Thunderbird filter Vandespam drivel out. It
is under "Tools" and "Message Filters" in the main menu. Just make sure
to have the newsgroup hilited when you go to set up the filter.

I've been pleasantly letting Thunderbird send his posts to the circular
file for quite some time now...

Michael Halliwell