£22 million wasted on ******s

On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2


What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how many are on
benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free schooling
for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency services if they
need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2


What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.

On 08/03/2011 18:20, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:20, Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to cycle
let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.

Do cyclists have to pay an 'extra' 'specific' tax to use a push bike on
the road?

Answer 'No'. Sponging freeloaders.

But motorist don't pay an 'extra' 'specific' tax either.

http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/bring-back-the-road-fund/

It’s often assumed that ‘road tax’ pays for Britain’s roads. In fact,
it’s general and local taxation that pays for roads. Proceeds from
Vehicle Excise Duty – a tax on vehicles, not a payment for use of roads
– goes into the Consolidated Fund, the coffers of the Treasury.

On 09/03/2011 07:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2


What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.



So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved overseas to
avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down and his wife
die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2


What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.



So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved overseas
to avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down and his
wife die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

why rely on the state to look after you? The real decline of this country
came as soon as the Welfare State came in after WW2.

Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 18:20, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:20, Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.

Do cyclists have to pay an 'extra' 'specific' tax to use a push bike
on the road?

Answer 'No'. Sponging freeloaders.

But motorist don't pay an 'extra' 'specific' tax either.

http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/bring-back-the-road-fund/

It’s often assumed that ‘road tax’ pays for Britain’s roads. In fact,
it’s general and local taxation that pays for roads. Proceeds from
Vehicle Excise Duty – a tax on vehicles, not a payment for use of
roads – goes into the Consolidated Fund, the coffers of the Treasury.

but since no 'road tax' means no lawful use of the roads by car it is a very
specific tax. it is a tax to use a car on the road, how much more specific
can it be?

Dex wrote:

So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved overseas to
avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down and his wife
die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

You miss the fact that nothing makes Mr Cheerful more cheerful than
revelling in the deaths and misfortunes of others.

--
Tony

On 09/03/2011 08:03, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 18:20, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:20, Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.

Do cyclists have to pay an 'extra' 'specific' tax to use a push bike
on the road?

Answer 'No'. Sponging freeloaders.

But motorist don't pay an 'extra' 'specific' tax either.

http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/bring-back-the-road-fund/

It’s often assumed that ‘road tax’ pays for Britain’s roads. In fact,
it’s general and local taxation that pays for roads. Proceeds from
Vehicle Excise Duty – a tax on vehicles, not a payment for use of
roads – goes into the Consolidated Fund, the coffers of the Treasury.

but since no 'road tax' means no lawful use of the roads by car it is a very
specific tax. it is a tax to use a car on the road,


It is not, read the article.

You are not allowed to use your vehicle if your 'road tax' is fully paid
up but you have no MOT or insurance, bald tyres or not wearing glasses
'cause you broke them.

Those are not types of road tax.

how much more specific
can it be?


Every penny goes to the government to be spent as they see fit, whether
for repairing roads, bailing out banks or giving some immigrant housing
benefit.

How much more non-specific can it be?

On 08/03/2011 14:07, bugbear wrote:

Mrcheerful wrote:

Cyclists are notoriously mean.
Many are on benefits.

Funnily enough, when I was in a camera
shop, the owner of the shop commented
that cyclists tended to be among his higher
spending customers.

Does he sell those helmet cameras?

On 09/03/2011 08:01, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2


What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.



So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved overseas
to avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down and his
wife die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

why rely on the state to look after you?


It would be nice if unemployment was virtually unheard of and the
minimum wage was £50 per hour, but it's not.

Paying directly for education, roads, hospitals, street lighting and the
multitude of other things the council tax pays for would bankrupt most
workers.


The real decline of this country
came as soon as the Welfare State came in after WW2.


AFAIC that was the day this country came out of the dark ages,
abolishment of the workhouse system for one example.


It might have become an easy answer to some, but it was and still is
there for the benefit (pardon the pun) of the nation as a whole.