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Bicyclist Fatalities in AZ 2009
On Dec 11, 1:38*pm, "Duane Hebert" wrote:
Apparently you're either in the middle of the lane or hugging the curb. Boolean logic. *You know, black/white, true/false no gray. I tried mightily to get a non-Boolean answer out of several of you. The question was: ten foot lane, 8.5 foot truck behind, where would you ride? It would have been quite easy to say "Roughly six feet from the curb," or "Four feet" or "One foot" or whatever. I don't recall getting that from anyone. I got lots of "It depends," or "I'd get out of there" or (from DR) "**** you." Neither Duane nor Dan nor DR nor Robert wanted to discuss specifics. Barry did, and the conversation was amicable. Seems to me the Boolean logic you're using is this: Whatever I say must be totally condemned, despite my data, citations or corroboration. Whatever the four of you say must never be disagreed with, whether or not you have facts to back it up. - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2010-12-11, T?m Sherm?n? ?_? "" wrote:
On 12/11/2010 2:32 AM, Jym Dyer wrote: I'm aware of how MIME works. It doesn't change the underlying foundation of Usenet, it just makes it possible to piggyback non-ASCII content onto an ASCII medium of transport. =v= There aren't so many NNTP servers as there used to be. Are any of them really so old that they still choke on 8 bits? _Jym_ Ask the people over on alt.shut.the.hell.up.geek. I resemble that remark. -- Kristian Zoerhoff |
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On 2010-12-10, Michael Press wrote:
In article . org, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: On 2010-12-09, Michael Press wrote: In article . org, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: On 2010-12-09, T?m Sherm?n? ?_? "" wrote: On 12/8/2010 8:22 AM, Duane H?bert wrote: On 12/7/2010 8:13 PM, T?m Sherm?n? ?_? wrote: On 12/7/2010 8:22 AM, Duane H?bert wrote: On 12/6/2010 9:21 PM, T?m Sherm?n? ?_? wrote: On 12/6/2010 10:08 AM, Duane H?bert wrote: At home I use Outlook Express for a news reader.[...] Bill Gates holding a gun to your head? Huh? Why would anyone use a Micro$oft product when better, free alternatives are available? (Assuming that they are given a choice.) I haven't got around to installing TBird at home. Last year when I tried it, it sucked too much. The current version seems ok - I'm using it at work. The "Huh?" was more about you telling me to use a newsreader that will let me respond to your posts in lieu of you not doing funny things to your header. So huh? My header is UTF-8 compliant. Alas, usenet is not. It's a 7-bit medium. All headers must be ASCII. Header titles must be exactly as prescribed. HOWEVER... there are means to communicate and render glyphs outside ASCII. You have some reading to do, but I promise it is rewarding reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2047 I'm aware of how MIME works. It doesn't change the underlying foundation of Usenet, it just makes it possible to piggyback non-ASCII content onto an ASCII medium of transport. Not a 7-bit medium as you assert. Network News Transfer Protocol, rfc 3977, 3.1.1 reads Note that texts using an encoding (such as UTF-16 or UTF-32) that may contain the octets NUL, LF, or CR other than a CRLF pair cannot be reliably conveyed in the above format (that is, they violate the MUST requirement above). However, except when stated otherwise, this specification does not require the content to be UTF-8, and therefore (subject to that same requirement) it MAY include octets above and below 128 mixed arbitrarily. I stand corrected. Mea culpa. -- Kristian Zoerhoff |
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Bicyclist Fatalities in AZ 2009
On 12/11/2010 12:29 PM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in message ... On 12/11/2010 8:29 AM, Duane Hebert wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... On 12/10/2010 11:28 PM, DirtRoadie WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES: Hmm. Given your fears, I suppose Quebec must have special Ground Meat Crews to scrape away all the dead cyclists! - Frank Krygowski **** you. +1 DR Good to see the maturity and civility of the group being preserved. /sarcasm Calling me a coward is bad enough but making light of the dead cyclists here, some of which were friends and all of which were persons, was a bit much. And lying/libel is not a bit much? Are you talking to me? No, it is a different Frank-Basher™ who hides behind a pseudonym while lying and committing libel by falsifying quotations. However, for some reason, this immoral behavior draws much less ire than Frank Krygowski's above board argumentation. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Dec 11, 7:36 am, "Duane Hebert" wrote:
"RobertH" wrote in message ... On Dec 10, 7:55 pm, "Duane Hebert" wrote: Your response was much more polite than mine. You must be new dealing with this guy. Truthfully I first experienced the whole ordeal maybe 10 or more years ago. The ordeal loses its effect after you've experienced it 30 or 40 times. So you can eventually ignore him? His verbal, what you might call tactics lost any power to personally annoy once I realized that he's been responding the exact same way (using the exact same words in many cases) to everyone, without fail, for many many years. It's kind of like arguing with a recorded message. It's particularly fun when he starts making **** up, out of whole cloth, and gets called on it. More often than not he just sticks to the script. |
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On 12/11/2010 4:18 PM, RobertH Who?:
[...] It's particularly fun when he [Frank Krygowski] starts making **** up, out of whole cloth, and gets called on it. [...] Citation? -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 1:38 pm, "Duane Hebert" wrote: Apparently you're either in the middle of the lane or hugging the curb. Boolean logic. You know, black/white, true/false no gray. I tried mightily to get a non-Boolean answer out of several of you. The question was: ten foot lane, 8.5 foot truck behind, where would you ride? It would have been quite easy to say "Roughly six feet from the curb," or "Four feet" or "One foot" or whatever. I don't recall getting that from anyone. I got lots of "It depends," or "I'd get out of there" or (from DR) "**** you." Neither Duane nor Dan nor DR nor Robert wanted to discuss specifics. Barry did, and the conversation was amicable. Seems to me the Boolean logic you're using is this: Whatever I say must be totally condemned, despite my data, citations or corroboration. Whatever the four of you say must never be disagreed with, whether or not you have facts to back it up. That's rich. After telling me that I'm ignorant in more ways that I can remember, calling me a coward, implying that I'm illiterate, telling me that I have no idea about logic, math, statistics, proofs, analyses and any number of other topics you are now claiming that you've been slandered in some way. Is it possible that you don't know what you're saying when you offend people? I doubt it. I imagine this is just the next step in your methodology. In all of the time that I've been on Usenet with all of the trolls and flames that I've dealt with, I've NEVER lost my temper enough to use profanity like that. Referring to dead cyclists as ground meat? And you're a cycling advocate? That's rich. |
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"RobertH" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 7:36 am, "Duane Hebert" wrote: "RobertH" wrote in message ... On Dec 10, 7:55 pm, "Duane Hebert" wrote: Your response was much more polite than mine. You must be new dealing with this guy. Truthfully I first experienced the whole ordeal maybe 10 or more years ago. The ordeal loses its effect after you've experienced it 30 or 40 times. So you can eventually ignore him? His verbal, what you might call tactics lost any power to personally annoy once I realized that he's been responding the exact same way (using the exact same words in many cases) to everyone, without fail, for many many years. It's kind of like arguing with a recorded message. It's particularly fun when he starts making **** up, out of whole cloth, and gets called on it. More often than not he just sticks to the script. Apparently the next step is the downtrodden, much maligned innocent attempting to save the world. Sort of the Harry Seldon of current times. |
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"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" " wrote in message ... On 12/11/2010 4:18 PM, RobertH Who?: [...] It's particularly fun when he [Frank Krygowski] starts making **** up, out of whole cloth, and gets called on it. [...] Citation? At least twice in a thread about helmets (you were prominent in that discussion with your foam hat repertoire), he accused me of verbally attacking him. This was more annoying before I actually did but still. I called him on it and he admitted that he was "mistaken" |
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On Dec 11, 4:50*pm, Phil W Lee wrote:
DirtRoadie considered Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:17:20 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write: On Dec 11, 9:39*am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Dec 11, 2:14*am, Phil W Lee wrote: But there IS a clear distinction between the use of "vehicles" which is all encompassing, and "motor vehicles" which is not. The statute you quote says you must conform to the requirements for vehicles, but does not say that you must conform to those requirements for motor vehicles. Sadly, (and maybe not surprisingly) English is a foreign language to Americans, so maybe that's why their lawyers have difficulties in understanding it. It is amazing that such a simple point causes confusion, isn't it? Only for those who have no grasp of how law is written and interpreted. You would do well to do some reading about statutory interpretation and how the result of an appellate decision interpreting a term forecloses rehashing arguments about what the term means. Simple example: Older laws are often referred to as "motor vehicle codes" and contained references to "motor vehicles." As those evolved typically they dropped the title "motor vehicle code" in favor of the more complete and/or accurate "vehicle code" or "traffic code." But sometimes the older term "motor vehicle" still lingers in sections of law that were not completely revised or rewritten. But, as we have seen, the newer laws typically provide that *bicycles are subject to the same rights and responsibilities as any other vehicle. So that, and an appellate court saying "yes, the term 'motor vehicle' in that section means bicycles, too," that's the end of it. "Motor vehicle" means bicycles too. You can legislate that horses are dogs, but it still doesn't make it correct. One does not find typically legislation that dictates the equivalent of "horses are dogs." But much legislation says the equivalent of "wherever the term 'dog' appears it shall be understood to include all four legged animals, including horses." Wrong is wrong, no matter what seniority of judge said it. Yes, wrong is wrong and you are wrong. YANAL. And have proven it. DR |
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