Bicyclist Fatalities in AZ 2009

On Dec 14, 7:21*am, "Duane Hebert" wrote:
"Frank Krygowski" wrote:

*You're echoing Duane's worries about the road
he showed in the street view - the one that looked like our metro
park, or like the ones my club members and I seek out for rides in the
country.

Leave me out of your attempts to force everyone else to do what
you want. *

Sorry, Duane, but you're not making sense. I'm not attempting to force
anyone to do anything, because there's no way I could do that. Even
if you choose to ride wrong-way down a freeway at night without
lights, I can't force you not to.

This is a discussion group. I'm discussing what I think is correct
cycling, and why - including data, citations, quotes and logic.
You're always free to ignore all that and ride as you like.

- Frank Krygowski

Dan O wrote:

I used to run two taillights - a fixed PB 5-LED rack mount, and a PB
Superflash on my messenger bag (you can even wag it around there :-)
but then I got to thjinking that cars were passing closer (I believe
in the phenomenon of target fixation), so I stopped running the
Superflash, but man, I sure was visible at night that way.


That's why some cars have the bonnet decoration. It makes aiming more
effective. Mercedes are a prime example of good open sights for aiming.
Nice clear 3 pointed star in a circle.

JS.

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
...
Per Frank Krygowski:
The work is being off-loaded to those who can't refuse it. And the
jobs are being taken away from the lower-skilled set.

The biggest one that comes to my mind is telephone answering
systems. The customer gets to spend 5-15 minutes of frustrating
time instead of talking to somebody and resolving the issue in a
minute or two.

never used them never will


"Hello....... You........ Have......... Reached..... The....
Slow..... Talkers..... Of....... America....... Press 1....
IF.....



bob and ray fan!

On 2010-12-15, Ala wrote:

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
...

The biggest one that comes to my mind is telephone answering
systems. The customer gets to spend 5-15 minutes of frustrating
time instead of talking to somebody and resolving the issue in a
minute or two.

never used them never will

Consider yourself fortunate in that you apparently have a choice in the
matter.

--

-John )

On Dec 14, 4:34*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Dec 13, 11:20*pm, RobertH wrote:





On Dec 13, 7:55 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Robert, IIRC you never did answer the question I asked.

No you do not RC. I did answer it, multiple times, with specifics.
Here's a helpful link:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...20c84269d8cbc1

It's at this point where I start to wonder, has Frank really missed my
multiple answers to his question, or is he just playing a pathetic
game to avoid the issues I raised in those posts? IIRC this has been a
pattern with Frank.

AGAIN: I would ride further left than you. Primary position doesn't do
it for me. If the space is available, use it.

Then, if a truck wanted to pass, I would probably drift right to
enable an easier pass, *he would pass in the typical fashion on narrow
streets/roads of going way over the center line, and everybody would
go along their way without incident. If there is any oncoming traffic,
anybody behind me will just have to travel my speed for a bit, no
matter where I ride in a 10-foot lane. Some people have trouble
visualizing how narrow that really is.

Ah. *So your disagreement with me is that when I ride in the middle of
the lane, I'm _still_ too far to the right! *But you agree with me
that when the lane is too narrow *for safe passing, you'd be far
enough out to prevent unsafe in-lane passing and cause those behind
you to just travel at your speed.

That's good. *Thanks.

I wonder if you'll now be attacked by others calling you things like
"hall monitor."

- Frank "OAFAAF" Krygowski

"Hall Monitor Syndrome" - I guess we will see, but I see RH
describing quite different scenario from you, Frank. This is part of
why I see you having severe tunnel vision.
Your one and only focus is your position in the lane, down to the
foot. And you have foolishly demanded of others that they give a
"footage" measurement to describe how they ride.
I addressed that previously by noting "... nobody here is so stupid as
to think that the 'footage' measurement has much relevance to safe and/
or legal riding."

In contrast RH describes the surrounding circumstances. Yes, he uses
a lane but his understanding is far more comprehensive and he does not
remotely suggest that he is trying to (or could) control traffic nor
that his position in the lane has any bearing on whether a following
vehicle can pass safely some.

RH himself or others can comment. And, Frank, your rhetorical
questions are childish. If you want to tell us something, tell us.

DR

On Dec 14, 4:05*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Dec 14, 12:03*pm, Michael Press wrote:





In article
,

*DirtRoadie wrote:
On Dec 13, 5:55*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 12/13/2010 7:40 AM, Duane Hébert wrote:
On 12/11/2010 4:23 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 12/11/2010 12:29 PM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"T m Sherm nT _ " wrote in
...
On 12/11/2010 8:29 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in
...
On 12/10/2010 11:28 PM, DirtRoadie WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES:

Hmm. Given your fears, I suppose Quebec must have special Ground
Meat
Crews to scrape away all the dead cyclists!

- Frank Krygowski

**** you.

+1

Good to see the maturity and civility of the group being preserved.

/sarcasm

Calling me a coward is bad enough but making light
of the dead cyclists here, some of which were friends
and all of which were persons, was a bit much.

And lying/libel is not a bit much?

Are you talking to me?

No, it is a different Frank-Basher™ who hides behind a pseudonym while
lying and committing libel by falsifying quotations. However, for some
reason, this immoral behavior draws much less ire than Frank Krygowski's
above board argumentation.

Sorry Tom but just because Frank hasn't used profanity doesn't make
his personal attacks any less irksome. As to your reference to DR,
I'm not exactly sure which of his comments you're referring to.

Look in this thread, and you will find multiple occasions where
"DirtRoadie" altered quotations - I pointed out several of them in
responses. *No one else objects to this behavior, except for Phil W. Lee.

Bingo!
Tom has no grasp of parody (and does not even understand the word
"libel" which he erroneously uses frequently) *and has taken it upon
himself to rid the world of his perceived moral outrage. He stalks the
"perpetrators" in support of his role model for truth and virtue,
Frank Krygowski.

Look through this thread for any of my posts followed by a post from
Tom. See if you see ANY suggestion of Tom offering substantive
discussion.
Some say he has a sense of humor. Perhaps he does, but I think he's
just a fat angry old man with nothing to do but complain about how
poorly the world treats him and those like him.

I must step in here and disagree with the very last.
Recumbent cyclists are shabbily treated indeed. It
may become necessary to pass a hate law forbidding
malicious denigration of recumbent cyclists.

Hate on this!http://www.ransbikes.com/Gallery/Archive/Sherman.htm
Hardly a fat old man, ...

He sure sounds fat and old in his posts.
DR

On 12/14/2010 9:58 PM, DirtRoadie Who? wrote:
On Dec 14, 4:05 pm, Jay wrote:
On Dec 14, 12:03 pm, Michael wrote:





In article
,

wrote:
On Dec 13, 5:55 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 12/13/2010 7:40 AM, Duane Hébert wrote:
On 12/11/2010 4:23 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 12/11/2010 12:29 PM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"T m Sherm nT " wrote in
...
On 12/11/2010 8:29 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in
...
On 12/10/2010 11:28 PM, DirtRoadie WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES:

Hmm. Given your fears, I suppose Quebec must have special Ground
Meat
Crews to scrape away all the dead cyclists!

- Frank Krygowski

**** you.

+1

Good to see the maturity and civility of the group being preserved.

/sarcasm

Calling me a coward is bad enough but making light
of the dead cyclists here, some of which were friends
and all of which were persons, was a bit much.

And lying/libel is not a bit much?

Are you talking to me?

No, it is a different Frank-Basher™ who hides behind a pseudonym while
lying and committing libel by falsifying quotations. However, for some
reason, this immoral behavior draws much less ire than Frank Krygowski's
above board argumentation.

Sorry Tom but just because Frank hasn't used profanity doesn't make
his personal attacks any less irksome. As to your reference to DR,
I'm not exactly sure which of his comments you're referring to.

Look in this thread, and you will find multiple occasions where
"DirtRoadie" altered quotations - I pointed out several of them in
responses. No one else objects to this behavior, except for Phil W. Lee.

Bingo!
Tom has no grasp of parody (and does not even understand the word
"libel" which he erroneously uses frequently) and has taken it upon
himself to rid the world of his perceived moral outrage. He stalks the
"perpetrators" in support of his role model for truth and virtue,
Frank Krygowski.

Look through this thread for any of my posts followed by a post from
Tom. See if you see ANY suggestion of Tom offering substantive
discussion.
Some say he has a sense of humor. Perhaps he does, but I think he's
just a fat angry old man with nothing to do but complain about how
poorly the world treats him and those like him.

I must step in here and disagree with the very last.
Recumbent cyclists are shabbily treated indeed. It
may become necessary to pass a hate law forbidding
malicious denigration of recumbent cyclists.

Hate on this!http://www.ransbikes.com/Gallery/Archive/Sherman.htm
Hardly a fat old man, ...

He sure sounds fat and old in his posts.
DR

http://www.teachnet.ie/dcorcoran/Photos/jersey.jpg

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Dec 14, 9:05*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 12/14/2010 9:58 PM, DirtRoadie Who? wrote:





On Dec 14, 4:05 pm, Jay *wrote:
On Dec 14, 12:03 pm, Michael *wrote:

In article
,

* *wrote:
On Dec 13, 5:55 pm, T m Sherm n _ ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" *wrote:
On 12/13/2010 7:40 AM, Duane H bert wrote:
On 12/11/2010 4:23 PM, T m Sherm n _ *wrote:
On 12/11/2010 12:29 PM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"T m Sherm nT " *wrote in
...
On 12/11/2010 8:29 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"T?m Sherm?n? " *wrote in
...
On 12/10/2010 11:28 PM, DirtRoadie WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES:

Hmm. Given your fears, I suppose Quebec must have special Ground
Meat
Crews to scrape away all the dead cyclists!

- Frank Krygowski

**** you.

+1

Good to see the maturity and civility of the group being preserved.

/sarcasm

Calling me a coward is bad enough but making light
of the dead cyclists here, some of which were friends
and all of which were persons, was a bit much.

And lying/libel is not a bit much?

Are you talking to me?

No, it is a different Frank-Basher who hides behind a pseudonym while
lying and committing libel by falsifying quotations. However, for some
reason, this immoral behavior draws much less ire than Frank Krygowski's
above board argumentation.

Sorry Tom but just because Frank hasn't used profanity doesn't make
his personal attacks any less irksome. As to your reference to DR,
I'm not exactly sure which of his comments you're referring to.

Look in this thread, and you will find multiple occasions where
"DirtRoadie" altered quotations - I pointed out several of them in
responses. *No one else objects to this behavior, except for Phil W. Lee.

Bingo!
Tom has no grasp of parody (and does not even understand the word
"libel" which he erroneously uses frequently) *and has taken it upon
himself to rid the world of his perceived moral outrage. He stalks the
"perpetrators" in support of his role model for truth and virtue,
Frank Krygowski.

Look through this thread for any of my posts followed by a post from
Tom. See if you see ANY suggestion of Tom offering substantive
discussion.
Some say he has a sense of humor. Perhaps he does, but I think he's
just a fat angry old man with nothing to do but complain about how
poorly the world treats him and those like him.

I must step in here and disagree with the very last.
Recumbent cyclists are shabbily treated indeed. It
may become necessary to pass a hate law forbidding
malicious denigration of recumbent cyclists.

Hate on this!http://www.ransbikes.com/Gallery/Archive/Sherman.htm
Hardly a fat old man, ...

He sure sounds fat and old in his posts.
DR

http://www.teachnet.ie/dcorcoran/Photos/jersey.jpg

Your school portrait?
DR

On 12/14/2010 9:49 PM, John Thompson wrote:
On 2010-12-15, wrote:

wrote in message
...

The biggest one that comes to my mind is telephone answering
systems. The customer gets to spend 5-15 minutes of frustrating
time instead of talking to somebody and resolving the issue in a
minute or two.

never used them never will

Consider yourself fortunate in that you apparently have a choice in the
matter.


Your insurance company customer service representative:
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/3282417.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=45B0EB3381F7834D9 1A4984AB1D952F64E709306E9D74B865223CE6E4BAF89B1.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 12/14/2010 9:58 PM, DirtRoadie Who? wrote:
On Dec 14, 4:05 pm, Jay wrote:

Hate on this!http://www.ransbikes.com/Gallery/Archive/Sherman.htm
Hardly a fat old man, ...

He sure sounds fat and old in his posts.
DR

http://www.teachnet.ie/dcorcoran/Photos/jersey.jpg


Nice earrings!

JS