Hypocrites: the UCI

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7201.0.html

What a joke: Cofidis gets chosen, but Phonak doesn't. Yet both
Hamilton
and Perez weren't even found guilty yet.

The UCI is destroying the sport with its prejudicial actions.

Magilla


I was under the impression that the Spanish federation had quickly

made

a guilty determination on Perez. Is that decision still pending?

Hamilton's hearing is January.

Seems best if they stayed a continued the team decisions till

Hamilton

(and Perez's hearing if still pending).


The federations do not make the guilty determination on the riders -
that is done by WADA or the UCI. Once WADA or the UCI determines
guilt
or innocence, it is up to the national federations to enforce it.

If a rider wants to appeal a decision from WADA/USADA or the UCI, they
can appeal to CAS.

Magilla


UCI turned the Perez and Hamilton cases over to the national
entities-in Hamilton's case USADA. Not sure if jurisdiction was turned
over in their entirety or if USADA is merely acting as a special master
on behalf of UCI for a guilt determination phase only or if USADA has
been delegated sanctioning jurisdiction. USADA would certainly have
better molecular biology expertise than UCI on evaluating the test
data, accuracy, validity of the Vuelta test and evidence Tyler's team
might present.


Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla Wrote:
meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7201.0.html

What a joke: Cofidis gets chosen, but Phonak doesn't. Yet both
Hamilton
and Perez weren't even found guilty yet.

The UCI is destroying the sport with its prejudicial actions.

Magilla


I was under the impression that the Spanish federation had quickly

made

a guilty determination on Perez. Is that decision still pending?

Hamilton's hearing is January.

Seems best if they stayed a continued the team decisions till

Hamilton

(and Perez's hearing if still pending).


The federations do not make the guilty determination on the riders -
that is done by WADA or the UCI. Once WADA or the UCI determines
guilt
or innocence, it is up to the national federations to enforce it.

If a rider wants to appeal a decision from WADA/USADA or the UCI,
they
can appeal to CAS.

Magilla


UCI turned the Perez and Hamilton cases over to the national
entities-in Hamilton's case USADA. Not sure if jurisdiction was
turned
over in their entirety or if USADA is merely acting as a special
master
on behalf of UCI for a guilt determination phase only or if USADA
has
been delegated sanctioning jurisdiction. USADA would certainly have
better molecular biology expertise than UCI on evaluating the test
data, accuracy, validity of the Vuelta test and evidence Tyler's
team
might present.


Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla
Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.


--
meb

MagillaGorilla Wrote:
meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7201.0.html

What a joke: Cofidis gets chosen, but Phonak doesn't. Yet both
Hamilton
and Perez weren't even found guilty yet.

The UCI is destroying the sport with its prejudicial actions.

Magilla


I was under the impression that the Spanish federation had quickly

made

a guilty determination on Perez. Is that decision still pending?

Hamilton's hearing is January.

Seems best if they stayed a continued the team decisions till

Hamilton

(and Perez's hearing if still pending).


The federations do not make the guilty determination on the riders -
that is done by WADA or the UCI. Once WADA or the UCI determines
guilt
or innocence, it is up to the national federations to enforce it.

If a rider wants to appeal a decision from WADA/USADA or the UCI,
they
can appeal to CAS.

Magilla


UCI turned the Perez and Hamilton cases over to the national
entities-in Hamilton's case USADA. Not sure if jurisdiction was
turned
over in their entirety or if USADA is merely acting as a special
master
on behalf of UCI for a guilt determination phase only or if USADA
has
been delegated sanctioning jurisdiction. USADA would certainly have
better molecular biology expertise than UCI on evaluating the test
data, accuracy, validity of the Vuelta test and evidence Tyler's
team
might present.


Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla
Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.


--
meb

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

snip


Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little to do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion study, so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of Arbitration
for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

snip


Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little to do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion study, so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of Arbitration
for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla

MagillaGorilla Wrote:
meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

snip


Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little to
do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion study,
so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of Arbitration
for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla

Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


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meb

MagillaGorilla Wrote:
meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

snip


Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little to
do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion study,
so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of Arbitration
for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla

Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


--
meb

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little to
do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion study,
so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of Arbitration
for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little to
do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion study,
so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of Arbitration
for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

meb Wrote:
UCI turned the Perez and Hamilton cases over to the national entities-in
Hamilton's case USADA. Not sure if jurisdiction was turned over in
their entirety or if USADA is merely acting as a special master on
behalf of UCI for a guilt determination phase only or if USADA has been
delegated sanctioning jurisdiction. USADA would certainly have better
molecular biology expertise than UCI on evaluating the test data,
accuracy, validity of the Vuelta test and evidence Tyler's team might
present.

Jurisdiction turned over to USADA, hearings scheduled:
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7085.0.html


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meb