Hypocrites: the UCI

meb Wrote:
UCI turned the Perez and Hamilton cases over to the national entities-in
Hamilton's case USADA. Not sure if jurisdiction was turned over in
their entirety or if USADA is merely acting as a special master on
behalf of UCI for a guilt determination phase only or if USADA has been
delegated sanctioning jurisdiction. USADA would certainly have better
molecular biology expertise than UCI on evaluating the test data,
accuracy, validity of the Vuelta test and evidence Tyler's team might
present.

Jurisdiction turned over to USADA, hearings scheduled:
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/7085.0.html


--
meb

MagillaGorilla Wrote:
meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little
to
do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion
study,
so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of
Arbitration
for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns


--
meb

MagillaGorilla Wrote:
meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little
to
do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion
study,
so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of
Arbitration
for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns


--
meb

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to

do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,

so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration

for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns



Tyler seems to have only been guessing at the month when it WOULD take
place.

The first thing that has to happen is USADA will post a press release on
their website about Hamilton, and Hamilton will have to accept or
decline their sanction.

Since that didn't happen yet, they couldn't have scheduled a CAS hearing.

Magilla

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to

do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,

so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration

for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns



Tyler seems to have only been guessing at the month when it WOULD take
place.

The first thing that has to happen is USADA will post a press release on
their website about Hamilton, and Hamilton will have to accept or
decline their sanction.

Since that didn't happen yet, they couldn't have scheduled a CAS hearing.

Magilla

On 11/15/2004 12:43 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to

do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,

so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration

for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns



Tyler seems to have only been guessing at the month when it WOULD take
place.

The first thing that has to happen is USADA will post a press release on
their website about Hamilton, and Hamilton will have to accept or
decline their sanction.

Since that didn't happen yet, they couldn't have scheduled a CAS hearing.


He gets a USADA hearing first, which is currently scheduled for January, in
Colorado.

The USADA doesn't just hand out sanctions ... they give hearings, too,
before issuing their decisions.



--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 11/15/2004 12:43 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to

do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,

so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration

for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns



Tyler seems to have only been guessing at the month when it WOULD take
place.

The first thing that has to happen is USADA will post a press release on
their website about Hamilton, and Hamilton will have to accept or
decline their sanction.

Since that didn't happen yet, they couldn't have scheduled a CAS hearing.


He gets a USADA hearing first, which is currently scheduled for January, in
Colorado.

The USADA doesn't just hand out sanctions ... they give hearings, too,
before issuing their decisions.



--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 11/15/2004 12:43 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to

do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,

so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration

for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns



Tyler seems to have only been guessing at the month when it WOULD take
place.

The first thing that has to happen is USADA will post a press release on
their website about Hamilton, and Hamilton will have to accept or
decline their sanction.

Since that didn't happen yet, they couldn't have scheduled a CAS hearing.


I think you need to review the protocols ...

http://www.usantidoping.org/what/man...tdiagram081304.
pdf

Note, about 2/3 of the way down where he has a USADA hearing with the
American Arbitration Association in charge ... Then he can appeal the
results of his hearing to the CAS.


--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 11/15/2004 12:43 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:

meb wrote:

MagillaGorilla Wrote:

meb wrote:


MagillaGorilla Wrote:


meb wrote:



MagillaGorilla Wrote:


snip

Don't kid yourself, USADA isn't going to tell WADA or the UCI the
blood
transfusion test doesn't work. That's going to fall squarely upon
Tyler's experts.

Magilla

Tyler's experts will certainly do the ground work.
USADA isn't going to bow to pressure from an obscure international
sporting federation with light following in the US like UCI.

That is an interesting inference that WADA might have the political
might to preemptively quash any unflattering decision by USADA.



The blood transfusion is a WADA-approved test - the UCI has little

to

do
with it at this point. USADA helped fund the blood tranfusion

study,

so
why would they challenge it now?

USADA WILL find Tyler guilty in the next week or so, if they haven't
already. It will be up to the hearing before the Court of

Arbitration

for Sport to determine which camp is right.


Magilla


Tyler's hearing is scheduled for January.


No, it's not scheduled for Januaury. You can't schedule a CAS hearing
before USADA states their decision in the matter. USADA should issue
that determination any day now.

Magilla

Hamilton is under the impression it is scheduled for January:


Hamilton seems to think the USADA hearing is taking place in January:

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns



Tyler seems to have only been guessing at the month when it WOULD take
place.

The first thing that has to happen is USADA will post a press release on
their website about Hamilton, and Hamilton will have to accept or
decline their sanction.

Since that didn't happen yet, they couldn't have scheduled a CAS hearing.


I think you need to review the protocols ...

http://www.usantidoping.org/what/man...tdiagram081304.
pdf

Note, about 2/3 of the way down where he has a USADA hearing with the
American Arbitration Association in charge ... Then he can appeal the
results of his hearing to the CAS.


--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

MagillaGorilla wrote in message ...
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7201.0.html

What a joke: Cofidis gets chosen, but Phonak doesn't. Yet both Hamilton
and Perez weren't even found guilty yet.

The UCI is destroying the sport with its prejudicial actions.

Magilla

The only hypocrites here are the riders who are doping. They are
destroying the sport and they should be the last to yell when
injustice has been done to them 'cause they weren't fair themselves
against their collegues, fans and their employer.

Kenny