AAA/CAS tells Crit pro to F.O.

CP,

DAMN justice served, and I bet losing those results hurt. I guess he
gets to keep that $5k he stole from you. Hey rant some more about it. I
see they are listening in Colorado.

From AP...
Fuentes, who also was fined about $140, will have to forfeit all
competitive results from competitions on or after March 25.
RVD

PS If he appeals do you think he could start the 2005 season?

Rik Van Diesel wrote:

CP,

DAMN justice served, and I bet losing those results hurt. I guess he
gets to keep that $5k he stole from you. Hey rant some more about it. I
see they are listening in Colorado.

From AP...
Fuentes, who also was fined about $140, will have to forfeit all
competitive results from competitions on or after March 25.
RVD

PS If he appeals do you think he could start the 2005 season?



Ask USAC about this. According to the WADA rules, it is USAC's
responsibility to enforce all USADA doping sanctions. But USAC likely
won't touch this hot potato because they would have to explain why Amber
Neben, their star rider on T-Mobile (managed by USAC), never returned
her prize money from ANY of the three races from which she was
disqualified in her suspension, including a 2.9.1 stage race she won
(Tour du Montreal).

And they don't want to have to do that.

Maybe J DASH ME can respond to this since he is an elected athlete rep.
Oh, I forgot, J DASH ME is too busy condemning Tyler before his CAS
hearing and then not doing anything about Fuentes and Neben not being
required to return their prize money as the rules of the sport dictate
must happen.

Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.

Where's J DASH ME now to respond to this issue?


Magilla

Rik Van Diesel wrote:

CP,

DAMN justice served, and I bet losing those results hurt. I guess he
gets to keep that $5k he stole from you. Hey rant some more about it. I
see they are listening in Colorado.

From AP...
Fuentes, who also was fined about $140, will have to forfeit all
competitive results from competitions on or after March 25.
RVD

PS If he appeals do you think he could start the 2005 season?



Ask USAC about this. According to the WADA rules, it is USAC's
responsibility to enforce all USADA doping sanctions. But USAC likely
won't touch this hot potato because they would have to explain why Amber
Neben, their star rider on T-Mobile (managed by USAC), never returned
her prize money from ANY of the three races from which she was
disqualified in her suspension, including a 2.9.1 stage race she won
(Tour du Montreal).

And they don't want to have to do that.

Maybe J DASH ME can respond to this since he is an elected athlete rep.
Oh, I forgot, J DASH ME is too busy condemning Tyler before his CAS
hearing and then not doing anything about Fuentes and Neben not being
required to return their prize money as the rules of the sport dictate
must happen.

Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.

Where's J DASH ME now to respond to this issue?


Magilla

In article , MagillaGorilla
wrote:

happen.

Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.

In checking out the rule book I find rule 1C3 which says that a rider
DQed for a medical control infraction must return any prizes and primes
won in the event... The rule doesn't say that the rider must return any
prizes won while appealing a medical control violation. Did Fuentes
ride well enough to earn any prizes at Redlands? If yes then under the
rules he would have to return those prizes. Since the rule doesn't
mention having to return prizes earned while appealing ( although it
would make sense logically) I don't see where he is required to return
any other prizes.

In article , MagillaGorilla
wrote:

happen.

Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.

In checking out the rule book I find rule 1C3 which says that a rider
DQed for a medical control infraction must return any prizes and primes
won in the event... The rule doesn't say that the rider must return any
prizes won while appealing a medical control violation. Did Fuentes
ride well enough to earn any prizes at Redlands? If yes then under the
rules he would have to return those prizes. Since the rule doesn't
mention having to return prizes earned while appealing ( although it
would make sense logically) I don't see where he is required to return
any other prizes.

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.

Does anyone know that Otto has paid out a penny of the sprint money
from Superweek yet? The guy has stiffed more riders than any promoter
in the history of the sport. But in this case that would be a good
thing.

Bob Schwartz


The key phrase to remember when dealing with Otto and prize money
is 'Small claims court'.

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.

Does anyone know that Otto has paid out a penny of the sprint money
from Superweek yet? The guy has stiffed more riders than any promoter
in the history of the sport. But in this case that would be a good
thing.

Bob Schwartz


The key phrase to remember when dealing with Otto and prize money
is 'Small claims court'.

Casey Kerrigan wrote:
In article , MagillaGorilla
wrote:

happen.

Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.


In checking out the rule book I find rule 1C3 which says that a rider
DQed for a medical control infraction must return any prizes and primes
won in the event... The rule doesn't say that the rider must return any
prizes won while appealing a medical control violation. Did Fuentes
ride well enough to earn any prizes at Redlands? If yes then under the
rules he would have to return those prizes. Since the rule doesn't
mention having to return prizes earned while appealing ( although it
would make sense logically) I don't see where he is required to return
any other prizes.


Fuentes was DQ'ed from Redlands and EVERY race after that by the CAS
ruling. So he WOULD have to return that prize money during his appeal
process.

What does J DASH ME have to say about this? Probably nothing because
he's too busy condemning Tyler before his CAS hearing.



Magilla

Casey Kerrigan wrote:
In article , MagillaGorilla
wrote:

happen.

Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.


In checking out the rule book I find rule 1C3 which says that a rider
DQed for a medical control infraction must return any prizes and primes
won in the event... The rule doesn't say that the rider must return any
prizes won while appealing a medical control violation. Did Fuentes
ride well enough to earn any prizes at Redlands? If yes then under the
rules he would have to return those prizes. Since the rule doesn't
mention having to return prizes earned while appealing ( although it
would make sense logically) I don't see where he is required to return
any other prizes.


Fuentes was DQ'ed from Redlands and EVERY race after that by the CAS
ruling. So he WOULD have to return that prize money during his appeal
process.

What does J DASH ME have to say about this? Probably nothing because
he's too busy condemning Tyler before his CAS hearing.



Magilla

In article , MagillaGorilla
wrote:

Casey Kerrigan wrote:
In article , MagillaGorilla
wrote:

happen.

Also, blame the promoters of Redlands and Superweek who are also
violating USAC rules by not requiring Fuentes to return his money. The
reality is the promoters don't want to be bothered with having to
redistribute all the money to racers who would be moved up a place
because of Neben's annd Fuentes DQ.


In checking out the rule book I find rule 1C3 which says that a rider
DQed for a medical control infraction must return any prizes and primes
won in the event... The rule doesn't say that the rider must return any
prizes won while appealing a medical control violation. Did Fuentes
ride well enough to earn any prizes at Redlands? If yes then under the
rules he would have to return those prizes. Since the rule doesn't
mention having to return prizes earned while appealing ( although it
would make sense logically) I don't see where he is required to return
any other prizes.


Fuentes was DQ'ed from Redlands and EVERY race after that by the CAS
ruling. So he WOULD have to return that prize money during his appeal
process.

But that isn't how the rule reads. The rule says the event ( ie a
single event). The rule doesn't say that prizes have to be returned for
events ridden during appeal. Also it would be a huge pain trying to
redistribute all the prizes over all the different races he placed in
since Redlands.

I thought you would be more upset over the fact that Fuents is really
only getting a 1 year suspension since he got to race all of this year
and will only be suspended from now until March 25th 2006.