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Gemm said
By 'sorting things out' I mean that many of the issues faced by both cyclists and motorcyclists are the same, but they don't seem to realise it I do. You do. Zebee does. Chris does (Although she is 'only' a prospective motorcyclist) . Kathy does. Eaun does Did the army teach you to ride a motorcycle Euan? I think most of us subscribe to the 'two wheels good' theory. Their are always #$%wits. When I was driving cabs I used to hate getting 5 seaters. Out of any 5 male passengers one will be a total #&(#^ Its some sort of rule. (Once the total tool was Ians brother who didnt recognise me till I addressed him by name ) The extra idiots are more stress than the extra fares are worth. Motorcyclists and cyclists have their share of em. And one of the things about @#$$wits is they tend not to see other peoples point of view. Yeah I think presenting a common front is a great idea. Lets Dave |
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In aus.bicycle on Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:46:12 +1030
Gemma_k wrote: So why can't cycling and motorcycling representative groups for the first time in Australia be allies instead of opponents? Just understanding each I think it's not so much that groups are opponents, as that they don't talk that much to each other. And that not all cyclists and not all motorcyclists are members of groups. The MCC of NSW represents a lot of motorcyclists, but you can bet that the vast majority of riders don't know about us, because they aren't members of the clubs who make up the MCC. I suspect a lot of the cyclists who use the Old Road and other twisties aren't members of the cycle advocacy groups either. The MCC will be talking to BNSW as well as to the racing clubs via Turramurra Cyclery, and working with them as much as we can, because when it comes to road surface and infrastructure, the more people the more clout. Zebee |
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Zebee Johnstone Wrote: The MCC of NSW represents a lot of motorcyclists, but you can bet that the vast majority of riders don't know about us, because they aren't members of the clubs who make up the MCC. I suspect a lot of the cyclists who use the Old Road and other twisties aren't members of the cycle advocacy groups either. Another tact, have you considered putting up some DIY signage in the area? ie: short, concise, laminated notices with, "if you're interested in" + contact details ... blahblahblah. -- cfsmtb |
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In aus.bicycle on Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:41:39 +1100
cfsmtb wrote: Another tact, have you considered putting up some DIY signage in the area? ie: short, concise, laminated notices with, "if you're interested in" + contact details ... blahblahblah. GOod idea. If we don't seem to contact the regular users via Turramurra and Pie in the Sky, then a sign at Pie and at Calga Interchange or similar might work. Zebee |
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SYD: bicycles on the Old Road
No one has mentioned speed. I wouldnt mind sharing the old Pac Highway with
motor cyclists if they kept below the speed limit, which is I think 70 or 80, as its supposed to be a scenic drive not a freeway. 60 would be better still. Cyclists dont have much of a choice of route out of Sydney, the F3 or the old Pac Highway. The F3 is better grades and less climbing than the old highway but there is/was a sign up on the F3 saying No Bikes over the Moonie Bridge, which has no shoulders and is a huge speedway for trucks trying to keep their revs up for the hills on either side and a history of bad smashes on the bridge too, so cyclists are being directed to use the old Pac highway. And a good ride it is too, scenic and quite a challenge to get to Gosford say. Our group (Leichhardt BUG) used to do it once a year as part of our calendar but most now say the motorbikes have made it too unpleasant, because of the speed they do and never knowing when the next bunch is coming past. Same thing applies to Royal National Park south of Sydney. A beautiful scenic road through shady forests, ideal for cycling, spoiled by motorcyclists who blast through far in excess of the 80 speed limit, which is too high anyway- should be 60. Never seen a police presence in the Park, but do sometimes see a patrol car on the old Pac Highway. My cousin killed himself near Moonie on the bends and I spent my youth fanging a Honda between Sydney and Gosford, so I know the dangers and the attraction of motor bike riding, just wish motor cyclists could stick to the F3 if they want to push it, although parts of the F3 are limited to 90 because of the incredible number of stupid crashes on it from speeding or incompetent motorists. bobm |
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On 2006-02-27, percrime (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: Their are always #$%wits. When I was driving cabs I used to hate getting 5 seaters. Out of any 5 male passengers one will be a total #&(#^ Its some sort of rule. Oy! I resemble that remark! It's amazing how often we end up with a group of 5, and then 4 seater cabs who actually accept us. We are rarely tools -- TimC Whip me. Beat me. Make me maintain AIX. |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:30:38 +0000, TimC wrote:
I'll run with you Sssh, or Tam will give us ****. Me neither. Or me. -- Dave Hughes | A man might spend his life peering at the private life of elementary particles and then find he either knew who he was or where he was, but not both. - Terry Pratchett, Hogfather |
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Zebee Johnstone wrote:
Long shot, this being melb.bicycles and all, but is there anyone reading who rides a bicycle on the Old Road? Years ago, but I'm on the wrong side of sydney now. Reason I ask is that the Motor Cycle Council has heard disquieting rumours about how some cyclists are planning to try and baulk motorcycles by spreading wide as the bike approaches, and some motorcyclists plan to kybosh this by riding between the cyclists and "scaring them by swerving". What a load of bull****. You should stop listening to rumours that crop up around beer and definitely should stop helping them spread. Seriously, don't worry about it till it happens, then call 000 immediately after the motorbike runs over them. |
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"Fractal" wrote in message news Same thing applies to Royal National Park south of Sydney. A beautiful scenic road through shady forests, ideal for cycling, spoiled by motorcyclists who blast through far in excess of the 80 speed limit, which is too high anyway- should be 60. Never seen a police presence in the Park, but do sometimes see a patrol car on the old Pac Highway. My cousin killed himself near Moonie on the bends and I spent my youth fanging a Honda between Sydney and Gosford, so I know the dangers and the attraction of motor bike riding, just wish motor cyclists could stick to the F3 if they want to push it, although parts of the F3 are limited to 90 because of the incredible number of stupid crashes on it from speeding or incompetent motorists. If you know the attractions of moto riding, you'll *know* that a straight, boring, mind numbing ride like the F3 isn't one of them. Tony F it's all about going through corners |
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tony f Wrote: If you know the attractions of moto riding, you'll *know* that a straight, boring, mind numbing ride like the F3 isn't one of them. Tony F it's all about going through corners I know all about that from my youth... zooming around on a moto is fun, but I always remembered that public roads are not private race tracks. I took risks, rode too fast and had a mixture of good luck and good judgement. Nevertheless ,the Old Pac. Hwy is still a public road with a reduced speed limit for a reason, and it isn't because bicycles use it. It's because too many wannabe car and moto racers hurled themselves into trees, rockfaces and each other. Let's all use the road for fun and consider others. Simple. Ritch -- ritcho |
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