Helmets Work!

On 8/4/2013 5:07 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/4/2013 2:31 PM, Gus wrote:

I wear bright yellow or orange tshirts and they often still don't see
me, even though I see them look right at me...

It's because your orange or yellow tee-shirt is steady, not flashing.

You could have flashing clothes, but the police will arrest you for
indecent exposure.

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T0m $herm@n

On 8/4/2013 6:11 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/4/2013 2:36 PM, Gus wrote:

There may be some truth to it though;
the motorcyclist must not have seen him or severely misgauged his speed.
(Btw, I am not pro-blinky front white annoying lights. What if they
were yellow during the day? Or noticeable but not annoying and
distracting to other people on the road. When I drive my black car, I
have my headlights on whether day or night.)

You do realize that many motorcycles have modulated headlights to
increase daytime visibility.

yeah, those are obnoxious too, albeit legal.

I wouldn't have one of those devices either.

nate

On 8/4/2013 3:31 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 8/4/2013 6:11 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/4/2013 2:36 PM, Gus wrote:

There may be some truth to it though;
the motorcyclist must not have seen him or severely misgauged his speed.
(Btw, I am not pro-blinky front white annoying lights. What if they
were yellow during the day? Or noticeable but not annoying and
distracting to other people on the road. When I drive my black car, I
have my headlights on whether day or night.)

You do realize that many motorcycles have modulated headlights to
increase daytime visibility.

yeah, those are obnoxious too, albeit legal.

I wouldn't have one of those devices either.

Whatever. The bottom line is that the modulated and flashing lights are
much more conspicuous that a steady light (or no light), in the daytime.
No one can force you to do what's logical and beneficial.

On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:22:40 -0400, "Gus"
wrote:

Bell replace mine; I think at cost? Do they still do that?

Sorta. Bell offers a discount on a replacement helmet:
http://www.bellhelmets.com/crash-replacement
The deal was to send them a check for $35.00 for Fusion In-Mold
helmets or $20.00 for non-Fusion helmets, and you get a new helmet.
That info used to be on the web site, but has been removed. My
guess(tm) is the dollar amounts have changed.

Here's Giro's policy:
http://www.giro.com/us_en/customer-service/cycling-helmet-faqs/
(bottom of page). The discount is 30% off list price. Note that Bell
bought Giro in late 1995.



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On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 16:57:32 -0400, Wes Groleau
wrote:

On 08-04-2013 16:29, sms wrote:
It's amazing how many drivers can look directly at a bicycle but the
bicycle's presence simply does not register. Or they think, "it's a
bicycle, it must be going slow, and it's far away enough that I have
time to go."

Indeed. Almostas amazing are the ones who have the right-of-way, see a
bicycle that can't possible reach them in sixty seconds, yet stop and
wait.

That isn't a reasonable complaint. If a person recognizes that they
can't judge the speed of a bicycle or motorcycle accurately then plays
it ultra-conservative ... nothing wrong with that.

But the most amazing are the ones who do that, then take off as soon as
you begin to enter the intersection.

On 8/4/2013 3:43 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:22:40 -0400, "Gus"
wrote:

Bell replace mine; I think at cost? Do they still do that?

Sorta. Bell offers a discount on a replacement helmet:
http://www.bellhelmets.com/crash-replacement
The deal was to send them a check for $35.00 for Fusion In-Mold
helmets or $20.00 for non-Fusion helmets, and you get a new helmet.
That info used to be on the web site, but has been removed. My
guess(tm) is the dollar amounts have changed.

Here's Giro's policy:
http://www.giro.com/us_en/customer-service/cycling-helmet-faqs/
(bottom of page). The discount is 30% off list price. Note that Bell
bought Giro in late 1995.

Of course the street price already is usually at least 30% off list price.

"sms" wrote in message
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On 8/4/2013 2:31 PM, Gus wrote:

I wear bright yellow or orange tshirts and they often still don't see
me, even though I see them look right at me...

It's because your orange or yellow tee-shirt is steady, not flashing.

d'oh!

On 08-04-2013 19:43, Datesfat Chicks wrote:
wrote:
On 08-04-2013 16:29, sms wrote:
It's amazing how many drivers can look directly at a bicycle but the
bicycle's presence simply does not register. Or they think, "it's a
bicycle, it must be going slow, and it's far away enough that I have
time to go."

Indeed. Almostas amazing are the ones who have the right-of-way, see a
bicycle that can't possible reach them in sixty seconds, yet stop and
wait.

That isn't a reasonable complaint. If a person recognizes that they
can't judge the speed of a bicycle or motorcycle accurately then plays
it ultra-conservative ... nothing wrong with that.

If they can't guess that a bicyclist is going slower than sixty miles
per hour, then they have no business touching a steering wheel.

--
Wes Groleau

Change is inevitable. We need to learn that “inevitable" is
neither a synonym for “good" nor for “bad.�

On 8/4/2013 5:59 PM, T0m $herman wrote:
On 8/4/2013 3:45 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
[...]
And I'd put a blinkie on a Paramount about as soon as I'd put DRLs on a
3.0CSL Batmobile.

nate

How about spinners on a vintage Studebaker?


There's no evidence that spinners make you more conspicuous, and not
just no but hell no!

"sms" wrote in message
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On 8/4/2013 2:36 PM, Gus wrote:

There may be some truth to it though;
the motorcyclist must not have seen him or severely misgauged his speed.
(Btw, I am not pro-blinky front white annoying lights. What if they
were yellow during the day? Or noticeable but not annoying and
distracting to other people on the road. When I drive my black car, I
have my headlights on whether day or night.)

You do realize that many motorcycles have modulated headlights to increase
daytime visibility. Not exactly the same as a flasher, but the same idea.
"78% of motorcycle accidents involve the driver of a car encroaching on
the riders right of way. Statements to police usually go something like
"I made the left turn and never saw the motorcycle"

A few decades ago when seatbelts became compulsory in the UK, we had a
series of safety adverts showing a car being pulled out on by a truck,
incidents of cars pulling out on motorcycles hit an all time low for a few
months - pity it didn't last.