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  #21  
Old September 17th 17, 06:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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John B. wrote:

About ISO

ISO is an independent, non-governmental
international organization with a membership
of 162 national standards bodies.

Through its members, it brings together
experts to share knowledge and develop
voluntary, consensus-based, market relevant
International Standards that support
innovation and provide solutions to
global challenges.


Did you or anyone else on this list actually
buy a standard, and if so which one, how much
did it cost, and most importantly, did it help
you solve the global challenge that you were
up against?

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  #22  
Old September 18th 17, 01:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:04:56 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

About ISO

ISO is an independent, non-governmental
international organization with a membership
of 162 national standards bodies.

Through its members, it brings together
experts to share knowledge and develop
voluntary, consensus-based, market relevant
International Standards that support
innovation and provide solutions to
global challenges.


Did you or anyone else on this list actually
buy a standard, and if so which one, how much
did it cost, and most importantly, did it help
you solve the global challenge that you were
up against?


Global Challenge? Of a screwdriver?
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Cheers,

John B.

  #23  
Old September 18th 17, 01:51 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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Default verbose "Yu Che" screwdriver (detective story)

John B. wrote:

About ISO ISO is an independent,
non-governmental international organization
with a membership of 162 national standards
bodies. Through its members, it brings
together experts to share knowledge and
develop voluntary, consensus-based, market
relevant International Standards that
support innovation and provide solutions to
global challenges.


Did you or anyone else on this list actually
buy a standard, and if so which one, how
much did it cost, and most importantly, did
it help you solve the global challenge that
you were up against?


Global Challenge? Of a screwdriver?


Your quote:

Through its members, it brings together
experts to share knowledge and develop
voluntary, consensus-based, market relevant
International Standards that support
innovation and provide solutions to
global challenges.

This hitting the big drum pretending to be
altruists on the world scene makes it even more
silly they ain't available as PDFs.

--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
  #24  
Old September 18th 17, 03:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:51:14 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

About ISO ISO is an independent,
non-governmental international organization
with a membership of 162 national standards
bodies. Through its members, it brings
together experts to share knowledge and
develop voluntary, consensus-based, market
relevant International Standards that
support innovation and provide solutions to
global challenges.

Did you or anyone else on this list actually
buy a standard, and if so which one, how
much did it cost, and most importantly, did
it help you solve the global challenge that
you were up against?


Global Challenge? Of a screwdriver?


Your quote:

Through its members, it brings together
experts to share knowledge and develop
voluntary, consensus-based, market relevant
International Standards that support
innovation and provide solutions to
global challenges.

This hitting the big drum pretending to be
altruists on the world scene makes it even more
silly they ain't available as PDFs.


Did you actually look? Or are you just sitting there ranting and
raving?
see
https://www.iso.org/news/2008/07/Ref1141.html

Not the date of the post... 2008, or 9 years ago.
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Cheers,

John B.

  #25  
Old September 18th 17, 03:43 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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John B. wrote:

see
https://www.iso.org/news/2008/07/Ref1141.html

Not the date of the post... 2008, or 9
years ago.


The ISO standards, including ISO 2380, as well
as the national standards (all of ANSI, DIN,
SI, or whatever), should be available on the
net free of charge as PDF documents.

--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
  #26  
Old September 18th 17, 05:21 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 04:43:39 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

see
https://www.iso.org/news/2008/07/Ref1141.html

Not the date of the post... 2008, or 9
years ago.


The ISO standards, including ISO 2380, as well
as the national standards (all of ANSI, DIN,
SI, or whatever), should be available on the
net free of charge as PDF documents.


Again "why". A standards organization is not necessarily a
governmental standard, paid for by governmental funds, in fact the ISO
is a private organization, it is described as:

"ISO, the International Organization for Standardization, is an
independent, non-governmental organization, the members of which are
the standards organizations of the 163 member countries. It is the
world's largest developer of voluntary international standards and
facilitates world trade by providing common standards between
nations."
--
Cheers,

John B.

  #27  
Old September 18th 17, 05:56 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 10:11:14 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:51:14 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

About ISO ISO is an independent,
non-governmental international organization
with a membership of 162 national standards
bodies. Through its members, it brings
together experts to share knowledge and
develop voluntary, consensus-based, market
relevant International Standards that
support innovation and provide solutions to
global challenges.

Did you or anyone else on this list actually
buy a standard, and if so which one, how
much did it cost, and most importantly, did
it help you solve the global challenge that
you were up against?

Global Challenge? Of a screwdriver?


Your quote:

Through its members, it brings together
experts to share knowledge and develop
voluntary, consensus-based, market relevant
International Standards that support
innovation and provide solutions to
global challenges.

This hitting the big drum pretending to be
altruists on the world scene makes it even more
silly they ain't available as PDFs.


Did you actually look? Or are you just sitting there ranting and
raving?
see
https://www.iso.org/news/2008/07/Ref1141.html

Not the date of the post... 2008, or 9 years ago.
--
Cheers,

John B.


Look at his various threads and you'll see that in each and every one he soon starts arguing. Methinks he's just a Troll.

Cheers
  #28  
Old September 18th 17, 06:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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John B. wrote:

Again "why". A standards organization is not
necessarily a governmental standard, paid for
by governmental funds, in fact the ISO is
a private organization


Information is of no use if it
isn't distributed.

Today the law is available online, all research
carried out by the universities, all
governmental business that isn't classified,
and so on.

Apart from this making total sense from the
reader/user's POV, it also makes for better
information, with more people inspecting it,
and with it being put to the test on the field
much more often. So it is a win-win.

So why not with industrial/craft standards
as well?

Besides very few people will spend their
hard-earned money on a document that can be
duplicated in an instant, with no loss, and
without expense.

The druid days of secret scrolls are over.
Today it is the other way around, the best
scrolls by far are those that have been out in
the open since decades.

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  #29  
Old September 18th 17, 08:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:39:25 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Again "why". A standards organization is not
necessarily a governmental standard, paid for
by governmental funds, in fact the ISO is
a private organization


Information is of no use if it
isn't distributed.

Today the law is available online, all research
carried out by the universities, all
governmental business that isn't classified,
and so on.


You certainly don't know what you are talking about, do you?
Certainly a country's laws are on line, but that isn't the whole story
because the "law" isn't just a bunch of words on paper. It is the law
on paper plus every Precedent, i.e., interpretation of those words
made by every judge that ruled on what the law actually meant, and in
other cases what the punishment should be.

As for "government business" I'm not quite sure what you mean but when
I was in the Military I certainly worked on "secret items".
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Cheers,

John B.

  #30  
Old September 18th 17, 02:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/17/2017 11:21 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 04:43:39 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

see
https://www.iso.org/news/2008/07/Ref1141.html

Not the date of the post... 2008, or 9
years ago.


The ISO standards, including ISO 2380, as well
as the national standards (all of ANSI, DIN,
SI, or whatever), should be available on the
net free of charge as PDF documents.


Again "why". A standards organization is not necessarily a
governmental standard, paid for by governmental funds, in fact the ISO
is a private organization, it is described as:

"ISO, the International Organization for Standardization, is an
independent, non-governmental organization, the members of which are
the standards organizations of the 163 member countries. It is the
world's largest developer of voluntary international standards and
facilitates world trade by providing common standards between
nations."


some with a more cynical viewpoint would say, "racket".


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