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Tim McNamara wrote:
As a tall, heavy guy I thnk that'd be about right. I have problems with any rear wheel with less than 36 spokes if it has 7 or more cogs (7 x 135 mm wide is not a problem, very low dish wheel, but 7 or more with a 130 mm OLN is just bad design IMHO even though it is the standard. With 11 speeds, the OLN should be 140 or 145 mm unless the rider is under 120 lbs). What is OLN? "Over lock nut"? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 7:16:51 AM UTC-5, Emanuel Berg wrote
OK, so PBP is Paris-Brest-Paris but what is a "brevet rider"? A "brevet" is a long distance ride of 200, 300, 400, 600, 1000, 1200 kilometers. With a time limit and various pace deadlines. A "brevet rider" is one who rides these events. PBP is a brevet. A randonneur/randonneur rider? A "randonneur" is a brevet rider. Although on this forum people seem to think randonneur also means the bike used by the riders. Or another name for a loaded touring bike. Look up RUSA. Randonneurs USA. This is the official randonneur organization in the USA. You have to go through RUSA to get into PBP if you are from the USA. PBP does not allow unaffiliated people to enter. You have to get in through some official national randonneur organization. |
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On 31/05/2018 2:53 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
wrote: Look up RUSA. Randonneurs USA. This is the official randonneur organization in the USA. You have to go through RUSA to get into PBP if you are from the USA. PBP does not allow unaffiliated people to enter. You have to get in through some official national randonneur organization. Well, I don't have PBP or any other brevet in mind but rather to go camping with a bike and be away for a coupl'a days to begin with, then return, next time be away for a week, then two weeks, then the sky is the limit. So I'm not looking to brake any speed records (and I would fail if I tried). So you should be asking about touring bikes, not randonneuses. And you shouldn't be complaining that bikes meant for brevets aren't equipped the way you want them to be in order to do loaded touring. You shouldn't have any problem finding a touring bike to do what you want. |
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Duane wrote:
So you should be asking about touring bikes, not randonneuses. And you shouldn't be complaining that bikes meant for brevets aren't equipped the way you want them to be in order to do loaded touring. The best bike I have seen to this date for my projected purposes has been the "VSF Fahrradmanufaktur TX-Randonneur Shimano 105 30-speed", only it is too expensive (but I can put away for a couple of months, for sure). The second best bike is the "Fuji Touring Road Bike 2018", only that by default doesn't have lights, fenders or front racks, and the 32 tires is a question mark. Heck, I don't know if it even has a kickstand! Doesn't seem like my kind'a stuff at all... So to call it from those two bikes, it'd seem I'm looking for a randonneur for sure, and, with some extra work/modifications, a touring bike. And what do I know, perhaps those modifications even turns the Fuji into a randonneur? Or just what exactly are the definitions? "A touring bike is a bike..." "A randonneur bike is a bike..." ? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 31/05/2018 3:57 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Duane wrote: So you should be asking about touring bikes, not randonneuses. And you shouldn't be complaining that bikes meant for brevets aren't equipped the way you want them to be in order to do loaded touring. The best bike I have seen to this date for my projected purposes has been the "VSF Fahrradmanufaktur TX-Randonneur Shimano 105 30-speed", only it is too expensive (but I can put away for a couple of months, for sure). The second best bike is the "Fuji Touring Road Bike 2018", only that by default doesn't have lights, fenders or front racks, and the 32 tires is a question mark. Heck, I don't know if it even has a kickstand! Doesn't seem like my kind'a stuff at all... So to call it from those two bikes, it'd seem I'm looking for a randonneur for sure, and, with some extra work/modifications, a touring bike. And what do I know, perhaps those modifications even turns the Fuji into a randonneur? Or just what exactly are the definitions? "A touring bike is a bike..." "A randonneur bike is a bike..." ? What I'm trying to tell you is that if you search for a "randonneur" you are limiting your choices to something that isn't actually what you want. If you insist, go ahead. But you may be better off looking for touring bikes. |
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I have no idea what you want but if you sit quietly and
ponder that, or go for a quiet dawn ride away from people to collect your thoughts, any imaginable thing can be built just as you wish: http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfd13sr4.jpg http://www.yellowjersey.org/ken%27s.jpg http://www.yellowjersey.org/WFT04C.JPG With any wheel size, tire width, mudguard/rack provisions, disc or caliper or cantilever/V brakes, Q/R hubs or through axles, top tube level or slopey, any handlebar position, BB high or low, kickstand plate added or not, and so on. Standard touring models are cheap because they are popular high volume products: http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road...volpe-classic/ Which of course means outlier cyclists with special tastes support the custom frame builder industry. Choice is good! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 On 5/31/2018 2:57 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: Duane wrote: So you should be asking about touring bikes, not randonneuses. And you shouldn't be complaining that bikes meant for brevets aren't equipped the way you want them to be in order to do loaded touring. The best bike I have seen to this date for my projected purposes has been the "VSF Fahrradmanufaktur TX-Randonneur Shimano 105 30-speed", only it is too expensive (but I can put away for a couple of months, for sure). The second best bike is the "Fuji Touring Road Bike 2018", only that by default doesn't have lights, fenders or front racks, and the 32 tires is a question mark. Heck, I don't know if it even has a kickstand! Doesn't seem like my kind'a stuff at all... So to call it from those two bikes, it'd seem I'm looking for a randonneur for sure, and, with some extra work/modifications, a touring bike. And what do I know, perhaps those modifications even turns the Fuji into a randonneur? Or just what exactly are the definitions? "A touring bike is a bike..." "A randonneur bike is a bike..." ? |
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AMuzi wrote:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfd13sr4.jpg http://www.yellowjersey.org/ken%27s.jpg http://www.yellowjersey.org/WFT04C.JPG The black one looks good save for the color (I don't care for black) and at least in this part of the world fenders is a good idea for 35+ tires. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 5/31/2018 4:36 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
AMuzi wrote: http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfd13sr4.jpg http://www.yellowjersey.org/ken%27s.jpg http://www.yellowjersey.org/WFT04C.JPG The black one looks good save for the color (I don't care for black) and at least in this part of the world fenders is a good idea for 35+ tires. Color's the easiest part of custom. Deutsch flag motif: http://www.yellowjersey.org/WFDLAUE3.JPG Grateful Dead: http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfdsam7.jpg Bovine: http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfdsam8.jpg BMW Atlantic Blue to match your convertible: http://www.yellowjersey.org/WFD08DC1.JPG or, of course, black. Your choice. Think about BB height (a typical PBP bike has a higher BB than a full cargo touring bike) and things of that nature. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 5/30/2018 11:02 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:06:49 -0700, Mark J. wrote: * Notes: I use "touring bike" to mean a bike intended for multi-day trips carrying camping gear. I use "randonneur" or "rando bike" to mean a bike intended for brevets - 200 to 1200 km mostly self-supported rides carrying the bare minimum for survival and ride completion. Even there the standards are widely variable. My buddy Doug did a 600 km brevet on a racing bike with 23 mm tires, a patch kit and tire lever and about $20 in cash. He was perfectly happy with that. I am not such a minimalist. I'd have had a handlebar bag with two spare tubes, patch kit, a compact tool kit (fits in an Altoids can but is surprisingly complete), maybe a rain jacket, some food, money and ID, cell phone... and my bike has fenders, generator lighting, wideish tires, etc. Yup. We see both types on Oregon brevets. I'm closer to you than I am to your buddy. "Minimum for survival and ride completion" is interpreted in a highly variable way. Mark J. |
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