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Helmet Nazis at It Again!
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wrote: On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:41:31 +0000 (UTC), (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote: a) for the speeds that walkers get up to, helmets may perhaps make some difference - unlike cyclists; b) for a helmet that costs proportionate to the cost of the vehicle, a motorist would be much better able to survive a crash in a motorcar. I seem to recall reading that something around 50% of all motorcar fatalities are due to head injuries - can someone confirm this? At one time, I saw a post from one of our German friends who gave the percentage of motorist fatalities due to head injuries. It was much higher, over 70%. He did give a citation, but I apparently didn't save that information. It's still availabe via Google The point is: according to a German textbook on Neurology, brain injuries are the cause of about 70% of _all_ traffic deaths. Given that this book was published in 1990, we will have to look at the accidents statistics in 1990 or before. I have those numbers for 1990. In 1990, 11046 people died in traffic, in Germany (west). Of these people, 7975 where using a motorized vehicle, 6256 of these driving a or passengers in a car. For comparison, there were 908 bicycle deaths in the very same year. So, if we believe the 70% rate for '90, we can easily compute an absolute lower bound for the motorists percentage consistent with these numbers. If we assume that _all_ 908 cyclists died from a brain injury, we still get ~62 % for motorists. The widely quoted lore "most*) bicyclists deaths are caused by a brain injury" is a Lie of Omission. In itself, it's true, But it derives its scare from hiding the fact that this statement applies to _all_ traffic deaths, too. In actual fact, it even applies to _all_ accidental deaths. (from the same texbook) about 60 % of all accidental fatalities involve a deadly injury of the brain. *) more than 50%, that is. -- Thank you for observing all safety precautions |
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Lester Mosley wrote: marika wrote: NYC XYZ wrote: Great discussion, y'all. Thats a big 10-12 there.. ok I am baffled what are you TALKING about mk5000 "If you object to playing on women's insecurities, maybe you should be writing to any number of women's magazines. They're the ones who feature hairless bikini lines, cosmetics, diets, breast implants, liposuction, nose jobs - the full pageantry of surgical horrors and all the rest of the bull---- that women spend millions on every month."--Chrissie Hynde |
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Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
wrote: At one time, I saw a post from one of our German friends who gave the percentage of motorist fatalities due to head injuries. It was much higher, over 70%. He did give a citation, but I apparently didn't save that information. It's still availabe via Google The point is: according to a German textbook on Neurology, brain injuries are the cause of about 70% of _all_ traffic deaths. Given that this book was published in 1990, we will have to look at the accidents statistics in 1990 or before. I have those numbers for 1990. In 1990, 11046 people died in traffic, in Germany (west). Of these people, 7975 where using a motorized vehicle, 6256 of these driving a or passengers in a car. For comparison, there were 908 bicycle deaths in the very same year. So, if we believe the 70% rate for '90, we can easily compute an absolute lower bound for the motorists percentage consistent with these numbers. If we assume that _all_ 908 cyclists died from a brain injury, we still get ~62 % for motorists. The widely quoted lore "most*) bicyclists deaths are caused by a brain injury" is a Lie of Omission. In itself, it's true, But it derives its scare from hiding the fact that this statement applies to _all_ traffic deaths, too. In actual fact, it even applies to _all_ accidental deaths. (from the same texbook) about 60 % of all accidental fatalities involve a deadly injury of the brain. *) more than 50%, that is. Glad you dropped in again, Wolfgang. As always, I appreciate the data. I only wish my skill with the German language was equal to your skill with English. - Frank Krygowski |
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Helmet Nazis at It Again!
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SMS writes: Bill Z. wrote: (Tom Keats) writes: In article , (Bill Z.) writes: I'll leave it to readers to decide whether Keats is a bald-faced liar or merely delusional. Please try not to run over any cyclists (helmeted or not) while you're out driving your stoopid car. I guess I'll vote for delusional. The sooner this guy gets some meds, the better. Yet you still respond to him, instead of kill-filing him as most of us have done. You helmet zealots are too much. But then, you car worshippers are too much, too. Especially when you demand that we cyclists wear helmets for /your/ car-driving comfort. -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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In article ,
(Bill Z.) writes: (Tom Keats) writes: In article , (Bill Z.) writes: Ssshhhhhh. Don't worry. Everything's gonna be all right. Everybody's gonna wear helmets, just like you want. There are no enemies, only friends who smile & nod and agree with you. Good night, sleep tight. Don't let the Nazis bite. Keats sure made a fool of himself. Yup, he sure did. Keep on a-wrigglin' & a-squirmin'. It just goes to show what you pro-helmet zealot, car-driving, Nazi-Moron-Liars are all about -- viz: greedy, selfish piggishness. Oink, oink. Are you still in elementary school? Why do you have such an interest in elementary school students? Please try to not run over any cyclists (helmeted or not) while you're out, driving your stoopid car. Please try to act like an adult, even if that is difficult for you. Actually, just for you, I /am/ acting like an adult. Acting exactly like you, ya Nazi-moron-liar. Maybe you should be something more like a child -- without a bellyful of prejudice & hatred & bile. 'cuz if being an adult means being such a bitter, dour, objectionable, cantankerous ol' helmet zealot crank as yourself, I'd just as soon jump off a bridge and be done with it. -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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Wolfgang Strobl writes:
snip The widely quoted lore "most*) bicyclists deaths are caused by a brain injury" is a Lie of Omission. In itself, it's true, But it derives its scare from hiding the fact that this statement applies to _all_ traffic deaths, too. In actual fact, it even applies to _all_ accidental deaths. (from the same texbook) about 60 % of all accidental fatalities involve a deadly injury of the brain. Which is completely irrelevant to the question of whether helmets are useful or not (and keep in mind that most bicycle accidents are not fatal, so an argument based on fatalities in this context is really a red herring). -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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