A Cycling & bikes forum. CycleBanter.com

Go Back   Home » CycleBanter.com forum » rec.bicycles » Recumbent Biking
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old June 29th 06, 01:03 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups


"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
newsP6dnXs8uZLwYT_ZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@prairiewave. com...


"ed the insignificant and edward the nonexistant"... states I am
"regurgitating" for the at least the 12th time or so... LOL
Besides, I have never said cycling (or other activities) do not "impact"
hikers... Any activity coexisting with another will have some reaction.
Vandy tries to paint it completely negative, which evidence shows it is
not. I have said the impacts on the environment, wildlife and trails is
comparable to hiking and Vandeman's statements concerning any ill effects
are not substantiated. That is the basis for any and all comments to
Vandeman. To counter the negative impact his comments could have on
progress in sharing and preserving natural areas. Apparently, you can not
grasp that simple concept. What kind of "librarian" were you...? In
charge of the picture books?


Curtiss, it is now time for you to shut up concerning Vandeman. There is
nothing you can say about his posts and him that you have not already said
a thousand times before. Give some others an opportunity to respond to his
posts.

Anybody can respond to any post. My posts do not stop a single person from
reading or responding to any other post.
Take a valium and relax. Your poor little heart must be about to burst.

You and I have both had our say and it is now up to others to decide which
side they want to come down on. You are like the man who came to dinner
and would not leave. Please get a freaking life of your own. To be a
stalker is the most pitiful and pathetic creature you can be. Look at Jim
McNamara for instance. And Chris Foster is becoming nothing but a stalker
too.


Oh please... All this attention for me. You are going to make me think I am
Greater than I really am.


The Great Ed Dolan does not ever stalk anyone. I have my own agenda and
cannot even imagine anyone else in the universe to be even remotely as
interesting as myself.

pathetic


Ads
  #42  
Old June 29th 06, 02:02 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups


"S Curtiss" wrote in message
newsNEog.26027$FR1.24658@dukeread05...

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
newsP6dnXs8uZLwYT_ZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@prairiewave. com...


"ed the insignificant and edward the nonexistant"... states I am
"regurgitating" for the at least the 12th time or so... LOL
Besides, I have never said cycling (or other activities) do not "impact"
hikers... Any activity coexisting with another will have some reaction.
Vandy tries to paint it completely negative, which evidence shows it is
not. I have said the impacts on the environment, wildlife and trails is
comparable to hiking and Vandeman's statements concerning any ill
effects are not substantiated. That is the basis for any and all
comments to Vandeman. To counter the negative impact his comments could
have on progress in sharing and preserving natural areas. Apparently,
you can not grasp that simple concept. What kind of "librarian" were
you...? In charge of the picture books?


Curtiss, it is now time for you to shut up concerning Vandeman. There is
nothing you can say about his posts and him that you have not already
said a thousand times before. Give some others an opportunity to respond
to his posts.

Anybody can respond to any post. My posts do not stop a single person from
reading or responding to any other post.
Take a valium and relax. Your poor little heart must be about to burst.


Yes, I used to say that in response to others who would complain about my
posts to ARBR, but take a look at RBS. How do you account for the fact it is
all about you and Vandeman. ARBR was never like RBS that way. Something is
dreadfully wrong when a newsgorup is all about just one or two persons. You
desperately need to stop responding to Vandeman. You are both one note
Johnnys and you have ruined RBS. I was never a one note Johnny.

You and I have both had our say and it is now up to others to decide
which side they want to come down on. You are like the man who came to
dinner and would not leave. Please get a freaking life of your own. To be
a stalker is the most pitiful and pathetic creature you can be. Look at
Jim McNamara for instance. And Chris Foster is becoming nothing but a
stalker too.


Oh please... All this attention for me. You are going to make me think I
am Greater than I really am.


I am the only one on Usenet who will tell you what you are - a stalker and a
leech! No one else has the intelligence to do this. I should really be
charging you something for my services.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



  #43  
Old June 29th 06, 05:25 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups


Edward Dolan wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
ups.com...

Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
"Chris Foster" wrote in message
05.47...

[...]
To sum it up. You stated the e-mail exchange, now you are tring to
deny
it, Vandy, would of course, type the word liar in all caps, but that
is
simply too childish for me.

Nope, I got your message in my email box and I did not see it on the
newsgroup. I NEVER send anyone an email message that is connected to the
newsgroups unless I get an email from them first. My standard policy is
to
discourage all such communication as I like to keep Usenet separate from
my
real life. Elementary, my dear Watson!
[...]


C O R R E C T I O N ..... Usenet is your life and everyone hear [here]
knows
that. - Jim McNamara


Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes and jerks - positively no
exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, asshole and
jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I can state
with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the Greatest Asshole
and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in its' long and dishonored
history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every time I post. Can't any of you
poor *******s read?


I dare say that all who read what you have had to say here will mosat
assuredly agree that you have painted a remarkably true to life
self-portrait. - Jim McNamara

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #44  
Old June 29th 06, 05:30 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups


Edward Dolan wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
ups.com...

Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
Well, that is ONE possible solution, but then what would I have to do.
Besides, I add interest to what would otherwise be a very dull group.
It
would not be fair to those who come to ARBR and RBS expecting some
entertainment.

Thanks for validating what I said of you in the past ... Ed Dolan has
little more than ARBR from which to derive meaning in his life. The
Usenet newsgroup (particularly ARBR) has assumed an exaggerated
prominence in his hierarchical order of relevance. The Usenet
newsgroup (particularly ARBR) has emerged as the source from which he
garners his sense of accomplishment and self-esteem. Regardless of his
opinion of the readership, without the lifeblood of the Usenet
newsgroup audience to sustain him, Ed Dolan has nothing and is nothing.
What a pathetic shallow existence. Pity the cantankerous, misguided,
quintessential fool. It must really suck to be head swollen ... HEAD
Dolan.

Jim McNamara

Here is Jim yet once more expressing all those doubts about himself. It
is
really too bad he cannot go forth into the world like Ed Dolan the Great,
oblivious to all but himself. I stopped checking my credentials with
others
by the time I was out of my teens, but apparently some guys just never
get
out of their teens.


Ed ... yes, I'm addressing you personally, whether you like it or not
... your response can be considered as nothng less that an admission
that your reading comprehesnion skills are second rate, and you were
once a librarian??? How sadl!!! - Jim McNamara


You may be addressing me, but I am addressing a universe of unknown readers.
You merely serve as a vehicle for what I want so say. Keep those messages
coming to me personally and I will keep my messages going to a universe of
readers.


A universe of deaf ears does not an audience make - Jim McNamara.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #45  
Old June 29th 06, 05:48 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups


Edward Dolan wrote:
"S Curtiss" wrote in message
newsNEog.26027$FR1.24658@dukeread05...

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
newsP6dnXs8uZLwYT_ZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@prairiewave. com...


"ed the insignificant and edward the nonexistant"... states I am
"regurgitating" for the at least the 12th time or so... LOL
Besides, I have never said cycling (or other activities) do not "impact"
hikers... Any activity coexisting with another will have some reaction.
Vandy tries to paint it completely negative, which evidence shows it is
not. I have said the impacts on the environment, wildlife and trails is
comparable to hiking and Vandeman's statements concerning any ill
effects are not substantiated. That is the basis for any and all
comments to Vandeman. To counter the negative impact his comments could
have on progress in sharing and preserving natural areas. Apparently,
you can not grasp that simple concept. What kind of "librarian" were
you...? In charge of the picture books?

Curtiss, it is now time for you to shut up concerning Vandeman. There is
nothing you can say about his posts and him that you have not already
said a thousand times before. Give some others an opportunity to respond
to his posts.

Anybody can respond to any post. My posts do not stop a single person from
reading or responding to any other post.
Take a valium and relax. Your poor little heart must be about to burst.


Yes, I used to say that in response to others who would complain about my
posts to ARBR, but take a look at RBS. How do you account for the fact it is
all about you and Vandeman. ARBR was never like RBS that way. Something is
dreadfully wrong when a newsgorup is all about just one or two persons. You
desperately need to stop responding to Vandeman. You are both one note
Johnnys and you have ruined RBS. I was never a one note Johnny.


Right ... You are cacophony of bu**** all up an down the scale.

You and I have both had our say and it is now up to others to decide
which side they want to come down on. You are like the man who came to
dinner and would not leave. Please get a freaking life of your own. To be
a stalker is the most pitiful and pathetic creature you can be. Look at
Jim McNamara for instance. And Chris Foster is becoming nothing but a
stalker too.


Oh please... All this attention for me. You are going to make me think I
am Greater than I really am.


I am the only one on Usenet who will tell you what you are - a stalker and a
leech! No one else has the intelligence to do this. I should really be
charging you something for my services.


Say Steve ... from one stalkeg to another ;^) ... Despit what DOlan
claims, this doens't take any degree of intelligcnce and Ed isn't the
only one on Usenet who will tell you what you are. You are an Ed Dolan
adversary and an Ed Dolan irritant and you are doing a great job. Keep
up the good work. By the way, there is no charge for my surfaces.
I'll undercut Dolan's price any day. - Jim McNamara


[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #46  
Old June 29th 06, 05:48 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups


Edward Dolan wrote:
"S Curtiss" wrote in message
newsNEog.26027$FR1.24658@dukeread05...

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
newsP6dnXs8uZLwYT_ZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@prairiewave. com...


"ed the insignificant and edward the nonexistant"... states I am
"regurgitating" for the at least the 12th time or so... LOL
Besides, I have never said cycling (or other activities) do not "impact"
hikers... Any activity coexisting with another will have some reaction.
Vandy tries to paint it completely negative, which evidence shows it is
not. I have said the impacts on the environment, wildlife and trails is
comparable to hiking and Vandeman's statements concerning any ill
effects are not substantiated. That is the basis for any and all
comments to Vandeman. To counter the negative impact his comments could
have on progress in sharing and preserving natural areas. Apparently,
you can not grasp that simple concept. What kind of "librarian" were
you...? In charge of the picture books?

Curtiss, it is now time for you to shut up concerning Vandeman. There is
nothing you can say about his posts and him that you have not already
said a thousand times before. Give some others an opportunity to respond
to his posts.

Anybody can respond to any post. My posts do not stop a single person from
reading or responding to any other post.
Take a valium and relax. Your poor little heart must be about to burst.


Yes, I used to say that in response to others who would complain about my
posts to ARBR, but take a look at RBS. How do you account for the fact it is
all about you and Vandeman. ARBR was never like RBS that way. Something is
dreadfully wrong when a newsgorup is all about just one or two persons. You
desperately need to stop responding to Vandeman. You are both one note
Johnnys and you have ruined RBS. I was never a one note Johnny.


Right ... You are cacophony of bu**** all up an down the scale.

You and I have both had our say and it is now up to others to decide
which side they want to come down on. You are like the man who came to
dinner and would not leave. Please get a freaking life of your own. To be
a stalker is the most pitiful and pathetic creature you can be. Look at
Jim McNamara for instance. And Chris Foster is becoming nothing but a
stalker too.


Oh please... All this attention for me. You are going to make me think I
am Greater than I really am.


I am the only one on Usenet who will tell you what you are - a stalker and a
leech! No one else has the intelligence to do this. I should really be
charging you something for my services.


Say Steve ... from one stalkeg to another ;^) ... Despit what DOlan
claims, this doens't take any degree of intelligcnce and Ed isn't the
only one on Usenet who will tell you what you are. You are an Ed Dolan
adversary and an Ed Dolan irritant and you are doing a great job. Keep
up the good work. By the way, there is no charge for my surfaces.
I'll undercut Dolan's price any day. - Jim McNamara


[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #47  
Old June 29th 06, 06:01 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups


"JimmyMac" wrote in message
ups.com...

Edward Dolan wrote:
"S Curtiss" wrote in message
newsNEog.26027$FR1.24658@dukeread05...

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
newsP6dnXs8uZLwYT_ZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@prairiewave. com...


"ed the insignificant and edward the nonexistant"... states I am
"regurgitating" for the at least the 12th time or so... LOL
Besides, I have never said cycling (or other activities) do not
"impact"
hikers... Any activity coexisting with another will have some
reaction.
Vandy tries to paint it completely negative, which evidence shows it
is
not. I have said the impacts on the environment, wildlife and trails
is
comparable to hiking and Vandeman's statements concerning any ill
effects are not substantiated. That is the basis for any and all
comments to Vandeman. To counter the negative impact his comments
could
have on progress in sharing and preserving natural areas. Apparently,
you can not grasp that simple concept. What kind of "librarian" were
you...? In charge of the picture books?

Curtiss, it is now time for you to shut up concerning Vandeman. There
is
nothing you can say about his posts and him that you have not already
said a thousand times before. Give some others an opportunity to
respond
to his posts.

Anybody can respond to any post. My posts do not stop a single person
from
reading or responding to any other post.
Take a valium and relax. Your poor little heart must be about to burst.


Yes, I used to say that in response to others who would complain about my
posts to ARBR, but take a look at RBS. How do you account for the fact it
is
all about you and Vandeman. ARBR was never like RBS that way. Something
is
dreadfully wrong when a newsgorup is all about just one or two persons.
You
desperately need to stop responding to Vandeman. You are both one note
Johnnys and you have ruined RBS. I was never a one note Johnny.


Right ... You are cacophony of bu**** all up an down the scale.

You and I have both had our say and it is now up to others to decide
which side they want to come down on. You are like the man who came to
dinner and would not leave. Please get a freaking life of your own. To
be
a stalker is the most pitiful and pathetic creature you can be. Look
at
Jim McNamara for instance. And Chris Foster is becoming nothing but a
stalker too.

Oh please... All this attention for me. You are going to make me think
I
am Greater than I really am.


I am the only one on Usenet who will tell you what you are - a stalker
and a
leech! No one else has the intelligence to do this. I should really be
charging you something for my services.


Say Steve ... from one stalkeg to another ;^) ... Despit what DOlan
claims, this doens't take any degree of intelligcnce and Ed isn't the
only one on Usenet who will tell you what you are. You are an Ed Dolan
adversary and an Ed Dolan irritant and you are doing a great job. Keep
up the good work. By the way, there is no charge for my surfaces.
I'll undercut Dolan's price any day. - Jim McNamara


Actually I require some intellectuality and that is the one thing that is
sorely lacking from all my current adversaries. I really miss Tom Sherman.
He at least tried to display some intellect from time to time. Poor Jimbo
thinks verbiage is a substitute for thought. And so it goes - no one worthy
of me. It is apparently my destiny to go through life surrounded by idiots,
jerks and assholes.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #48  
Old June 29th 06, 06:15 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups


"JimmyMac" wrote in message
oups.com...

Edward Dolan wrote:
"S Curtiss" wrote in message
newsdCog.26013$FR1.25358@dukeread05...

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
...

"S Curtiss" wrote in message
news:Aydog.25977$FR1.17618@dukeread05...

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
news:L8adnfdKsbG34T3ZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@prairiewave. com...
[...]
ALL newsgroups without any exceptions whatsoever are by and for
idiots. Therefore, it does not matter what gets posted on any of
them
since only idiots like Curtiss are present. If you want
intelligence,
then go to a moderated forum where an editor will get rid of the
idiots and their idiotic messages.
Hello Dolan, the great idiot

Thus proving my point!
To who...?

I repeat, there is no one on these newsgroups (unmoderated) except
assholes and jerks! What else do you need to know?
Hello Dolan, the great asshole and jerk.

Thus proving my point!
You didn't have to work so hard to prove you are an idiot, asshole
and
jerk. We've known that for quite some time.

The only thing worse than being an idiot, an asshole and a jerk is
being
Curtiss. He is nothing but a pathetic stalker of Vandeman. Worse yet,
he
does nothing but regurgitate boilerplate nonsense about how mountain
biking does not impact hikers. He does both of these things because
he
is evil through and through. He would like to be a Great Saint like
Saint
Edward the Great, but that option is forever foreclosed to him because
he
is a man of the groin preoccupied with ****, **** and sex and not a
man
of the holy spirit like Saint Edward the Great.

"ed the insignificant and edward the nonexistant"... states I am
"regurgitating" for the at least the 12th time or so... LOL
Besides, I have never said cycling (or other activities) do not
"impact"
hikers... Any activity coexisting with another will have some
reaction.
Vandy tries to paint it completely negative, which evidence shows it is
not. I have said the impacts on the environment, wildlife and trails is
comparable to hiking and Vandeman's statements concerning any ill
effects
are not substantiated. That is the basis for any and all comments to
Vandeman. To counter the negative impact his comments could have on
progress in sharing and preserving natural areas. Apparently, you can
not
grasp that simple concept. What kind of "librarian" were you...? In
charge
of the picture books?


Curtiss, it is now time for you to shut up concerning Vandeman. There is
nothing you can say about his posts and him that you have not already
said a
thousand times before. Give some others an opportunity to respond to his
posts.

You and I have both had our say and it is now up to others to decide
which
side they want to come down on. You are like the man who came to dinner
and
would not leave. Please get a freaking life of your own. To be a stalker
is
the most pitiful and pathetic creature you can be. Look at Jim McNamara
for
instance. And Chris Foster is becoming nothing but a stalker too.

The Great Ed Dolan does not ever stalk anyone. I have my own agenda and
cannot even imagine anyone else in the universe to be even remotely as
interesting as myself.


Not even Sherman or Vandeman???


Jim, unlike you, I do not confuse cyperspace with real life. Sherman and
Vandeman are only what I read on my computer screen. Unless and until I meet
them in person, that is all they can ever be.The same goes for you too of
course.

I will admit I think I was stalking Tom Sherman at one time briefly, but I
grew disgusted with myself for doing that and I decided I would only take
him on when he got outrageously stupid. I always left him alone when he was
posting on topic and I would only take him on when he got political. The
last year or so Tom and I did not have much to say to one another because he
steered away from political topics almost entirely. He knew far more about
recumbents than I did and I respected him for that.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #49  
Old June 29th 06, 01:17 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups

"Edward Dolan" wrote in
news:FK6dnRQiUpQEYD_ZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@prairiewave. com:


"Chris Foster" wrote in message
05.47...

Edward Dolan wrote:

Jim is into nothing but gobbledygook. He has always been that way.
But it is good to see one turkey (Chris) recognize another turkey
(Jim).

What a lame comeback ... brain-dead. Is that the best you can do???
Ed Dolan is intoxicated by his own cerebral flatulence. His screeds
(read Gospels according to St. Edward) are legendary. A pretentious
purveyor of disinformation, Ed employs cyclical, incoherent rhetoric
to advocate his own personal agenda. He subscribes to the mistaken
notion that the readership savors his prosaic prefunctory prattle
whereas in reality the only person who values what the man says is
the man saying it. Ed is a pedant who is enraptured by his own
vacuous gibberish.

Not bad gobbledygook coming from a turkey, huh Ed??? Chris Foster,
GaryG, Bill Baka and cc are just a few of the many who have come to
know you for what and who you are. Your reputaton as ARBR's
quintessential TROLL will forever be your legacy. You can take
leave of us now. Can't do it can you? After all, Usenet is your
life. How sick is that???

Jim McNamara


Well said !!


All the world hates a piling on kind of message. I cannot believe you
were ever a Marine. Your present character says you have never been
anything but a scoundrel. Are all Marines bullies like you?


Pathetic, simply pathetic.

Your feeble attempt at character assassination is duly noted

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  #50  
Old June 29th 06, 02:38 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How Ed Dolan became a legend in his own mind

A troll sets up camp in a newsgroup where he's got nothing to offer and
stirs up crap.
Then he responds to any answers to create interminably long threads filled
with
interminably long messages since he never snips.
These strings of nonsense help boost his sense of power and consequently his
shriveled sense of self esteem.
Typical of cubicle dwellers who've been shunted off to a deadend to await
retirement.

The only order of perpetual sorrow is populated by those exposed to his
drivel.

Oh well, it's an open usenet.



 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How Ed Dolan and Mike Vandeman came to dominate their newsgroups Edward Dolan Social Issues 75 July 8th 06 04:24 AM
Hey Dolan I hope Vandeman doesn't stop suddenly Edward Dolan Social Issues 0 June 10th 06 07:57 AM
Real Names vs. User Names Ed Pirrero General 3 May 23rd 06 09:00 AM
Real Names vs. User Names Edward Dolan Social Issues 0 May 23rd 06 09:00 AM
An experiment to prove the helmet law proponants RIGHT (or wrong) David Recumbent Biking 65 December 21st 04 06:42 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 CycleBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.