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Old June 9th 08, 03:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
ComandanteBanana
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We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.

So, we can wait for the world to notice us and open bike facilities
for us, but before we must part with the mentality that bigger is
better (SUVs) and that the sprawl is the ultimate solution to escape
the urban jungle...

I didn't want to talk about the monkey, but he knows all about
cooperative living...

What is a TND?

The acronym TND stands for Traditional Neighborhood Development, a
comprehensive planning system that includes a variety of housing types
and land uses in a defined area. The variety of uses permits
educational facilities, civic buildings and commercial establishments
to be located within walking distance of private homes. A TND is
served by a network of paths, streets and lanes suitable for
pedestrians as well as vehicles. This provides residents the option of
walking, biking or driving to places within their neighborhood.
Present and future modes of transit are also considered during the
planning stages.

Public and private spaces have equal importance, creating a balanced
community that serves a wide range of home and business owners. The
inclusion of civic buildings and civic space -- in the form of plazas,
greens, parks and squares -- enhances community identity and value.

For more information about new urbanism, see the article Welcome to
the New Urbanism.

Hey, you can even check such neighborhoods near you and take a spin
with your bike --which I plan to do.

TND Neighborhoods by State and Country

http://tndtownpaper.com/neighborhoods.htm


WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
(reason #1000: because we need to live in bike friendly places)
http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
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Old June 9th 08, 09:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
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We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.


Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
"European style" cities.


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Old June 9th 08, 09:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
ComandanteBanana
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On Jun 9, 4:16*pm, "George Conklin" wrote:
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message

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We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.


* *Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
"European style" cities.


Not sure what you mean, that Europeans cities are mostly populated by
immigrants?

Well, they don't live in American style sprawls either. And before
they build they think about public transportation.

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Old June 10th 08, 04:26 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides
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On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:16:06 -0400, "George Conklin"

Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
"European style" cities.


Exactly what percentage is "small"? And what is your source for this
statistic?
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Old June 10th 08, 05:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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In article
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ComandanteBanana wrote:

We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.


You do know that utopianism doesn't work, right?
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Old June 10th 08, 05:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Tim McNamara
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In article ,
"George Conklin" wrote:

"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message

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We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.


Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
"European style" cities.


What he's talking about used to be called "suburbs." Still are, for
that matter.
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Old June 10th 08, 11:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On 9 Jun, 21:16, "George Conklin" wrote:
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message

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We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.


* *Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
"European style" cities.


It's true, there are also rather a lot of sprawling "American style"
developments in Europe, but the kind of urban environment he's talking
about is sufficiently common in most European countries for that to be
a useful label.

The interesting question is how will one transform into the other.
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Old June 10th 08, 11:53 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
George Conklin
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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In article ,
"George Conklin" wrote:

"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message

...
We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.


Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
"European style" cities.


What he's talking about used to be called "suburbs." Still are, for
that matter.


The book "Sprawl: A Compact History" makes the point that most residents
of Paris actually live in houses which we would call suburban (and he shows
pictures), but tourists only see the older parts of the city. The summer I
lived with a family near Paris showed that the houses had small lots, but in
fact were not what is usually called the "typical" old-fashioned European
city. The traffic jams in Paris attest to that too.


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Old June 10th 08, 11:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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In article
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ComandanteBanana wrote:

We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.


You do know that utopianism doesn't work, right?


Even in Europe when people get the chance to decompress they do so.


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Old June 10th 08, 12:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:54:20 -0400 someone who may be "George
Conklin" wrote this:-

Even in Europe when people get the chance to decompress they do so.


That would be why house prices are much higher in the densely packed
central areas of places like Edinburgh, Paris and Amsterdam (to name
just a few European cities) compared to the less densely packed
areas outwith the central areas?

In these and other cities those who can afford to live in the
densely packed areas, it is the poor who are pushed to the "outer
darkness" low density areas.



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