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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
On Jun 10, 6:53*am, "George Conklin" wrote:
* *The book "Sprawl: A Compact History" makes the point that most residents of Paris actually live in houses which we would call suburban (and he shows pictures), but tourists only see the older parts of the city. *The summer I lived with a family near Paris showed that the houses had small lots, but in fact were not what is usually called the "typical" old-fashioned European city. *The traffic jams in Paris attest to that too.- But unlike American cities, Paris and other European cities are becoming bike friendly places... (But perhaps all we need is some "visionary mayor" or a "public transportation strike." I'll take note about them in the list of things that must happen. Why things like that don't happen over here?) Budapest looks to Paris as it launches new cycling program May 25, 2008 BUDAPEST (AFP) — Budapest city hall is slowly embracing the idea already grasped by some commuters: that there is a two-wheel solution to the city's traffic problems and the resultant soaring levels of pollution. In Paris, it took a devoted mayor and a month-long public transport strike to turn bicycles into an attractive option for local people. In Budapest, the starring role has gone to Deputy Mayor Miklos Hagyo: a corpulent figure, he is perhaps unlikely poster boy. But sporadic strike action over several months by the Hungarian public transport unions has helped to press home the urgency of the problem. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...JX5rf1ezLso80w |
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calling the demolition squads to the suburbs
OK, going back to the subject of visionary mayor...
Originally Posted by John E "My solution to the problem is to preserve our mid-density single family neighborhoods (mine is built at a quite livable 6.5 units / acre), but to redevelop our sprawling one- and two-story business parks into three-story mixed-use nodes, with commerce (retail, restaurants, etc.) on the bottom, office/professional in the middle, and penthouse apartments on the top." Nobody thought of calling the demolition squads to the suburbs, so here is a better idea... Public transportation shuttles bikes to the outskirts, and from there people take off on the bike. Similar to Curitiba model, in which of a web of roads spread out from the city center, but with accomodation for bikes. The best bikes for that are the foldable, which can be taken inside the bus. Then all we need is a visionary mayor like that of Curitiba, something hard to find around here. Curitiba and its visionary mayor Residents of Curitiba, Brazil, think they live in the best city in the world, and a lot of outsiders agree. Curibita has 17 new parks, 90 miles of bike paths, trees everywhere, and traffic and garbage systems that officials from other cities come to study. Curibita's mayor for twelve years, Jaime Lerner, has a 92 per cent approval rating. (many good ideas here, for mayors and non-mayors alike) !!! http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/...hp?ideaId=2236 |
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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
Originally Posted by genec
'The bottom line is that people don't "live" in Europe, they live in Spain or France or Germany, etc. and within those countries they live in states, and within those states they live in cities or towns or villages... just as we live within states, and cities, and within those cities there are usually districts... the bottom line is that we, both Europeans and us, live in small subdivided areas that can be quite bike friendly or quite the opposite... depending on the policies and designs of the larger governing bodies. All of Europe for instance is not bike friendly, but the areas that are can be somewhat replicated here... one thing that is decidedly not bike friendly are newer developments that have high speed arterial roads branching off into isolated gated subsections. That is a decidedly American development that tends to also isolate neighborhoods. Certain neighborhoods here in America have been decidedly designed around the auto, and that sort of design often is not bike friendly. That can be changed. And it will have to be changed before we see a bike friendly America.' Amen! But just a note: usually Europe is either friendly to bikes (Northern Europe) or public transporation (Southern Europe), and some areas are both (again, Northern Europe). Few developments there place you in the middle of nowhere with no means to get out, other than by SUV. That's the American way... |
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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
wrote in message ... See, I didn't want to open this Pandora's Box because MANY things must happen before we a Bike Friendly World... To begin with, gas in Europe costs twice as much as in America, so the sprawl is kept in check NATURALLY, and they get some money for public transportation as well. This article argues that the true cost of gas is $10, and that's excluding the war in Iraq... "One thing has become clear. If Americans had to pay the true cost of fuel at the pump, we would all ride bicycles and drive electric cars." At the same time? |
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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
On Jun 10, 11:48 am, "Amy Blankenship"
wrote: wrote in message ... See, I didn't want to open this Pandora's Box because MANY things must happen before we a Bike Friendly World... To begin with, gas in Europe costs twice as much as in America, so the sprawl is kept in check NATURALLY, and they get some money for public transportation as well. This article argues that the true cost of gas is $10, and that's excluding the war in Iraq... "One thing has become clear. If Americans had to pay the true cost of fuel at the pump, we would all ride bicycles and drive electric cars." At the same time? What? You never heard of multitasking? BTW, Amy, your name came up over in alt.architecture. R |
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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
"RicodJour" wrote in message ... On Jun 10, 11:48 am, "Amy Blankenship" wrote: wrote in message ... See, I didn't want to open this Pandora's Box because MANY things must happen before we a Bike Friendly World... To begin with, gas in Europe costs twice as much as in America, so the sprawl is kept in check NATURALLY, and they get some money for public transportation as well. This article argues that the true cost of gas is $10, and that's excluding the war in Iraq... "One thing has become clear. If Americans had to pay the true cost of fuel at the pump, we would all ride bicycles and drive electric cars." At the same time? What? You never heard of multitasking? BTW, Amy, your name came up over in alt.architecture. Sorry...it slipped. |
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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
On Jun 10, 11:48*am, "Amy Blankenship"
wrote: wrote in message ... See, I didn't want to open this Pandora's Box because MANY things must happen before we a Bike Friendly World... To begin with, gas in Europe costs twice as much as in America, so the sprawl is kept in check NATURALLY, and they get some money for public transportation as well. This article argues that the true cost of gas is $10, and that's excluding the war in Iraq... "One thing has become clear. If Americans had to pay the true cost of fuel at the pump, we would all ride bicycles and drive electric cars." At the same time? There's a republic near America where they do both and are the very happy... the Conch Republic aka Key West. Lots of scooters, EVs and bikes, which you can rent. I love the atmosphere. I really think they are free down there. |
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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... On Jun 10, 11:48 am, "Amy Blankenship" wrote: wrote in message ... See, I didn't want to open this Pandora's Box because MANY things must happen before we a Bike Friendly World... To begin with, gas in Europe costs twice as much as in America, so the sprawl is kept in check NATURALLY, and they get some money for public transportation as well. This article argues that the true cost of gas is $10, and that's excluding the war in Iraq... "One thing has become clear. If Americans had to pay the true cost of fuel at the pump, we would all ride bicycles and drive electric cars." At the same time? There's a republic near America where they do both and are the very happy... the Conch Republic aka Key West. Lots of scooters, EVs and bikes, which you can rent. I love the atmosphere. I really think they are free down there. ---------------- How do you keep your foot on the accelerator of an electric car while pedaling a bicycle? Just wondering... |
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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
On Jun 10, 5:35*pm, "Amy Blankenship"
wrote: "ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... On Jun 10, 11:48 am, "Amy Blankenship" wrote: wrote in message ... See, I didn't want to open this Pandora's Box because MANY things must happen before we a Bike Friendly World... To begin with, gas in Europe costs twice as much as in America, so the sprawl is kept in check NATURALLY, and they get some money for public transportation as well. This article argues that the true cost of gas is $10, and that's excluding the war in Iraq... "One thing has become clear. If Americans had to pay the true cost of fuel at the pump, we would all ride bicycles and drive electric cars." At the same time? There's a republic near America where they do both and are the very happy... the Conch Republic aka Key West. Lots of scooters, EVs and bikes, which you can rent. I love the atmosphere. I really think they are free down there. ---------------- How do you keep your foot on the accelerator of an electric car while pedaling a bicycle? Just wondering...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here's the solution to the dilemma... http://nycewheels.com/ezee-quando-el...ding-bike.html They are EVs and bike at the same time. |
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Before We See a Bike Friendly World
"Bill Sornson" wrote in message ... Amy Blankenship wrote: There's a republic near America {snip} ... the Conch Republic aka Key West. Lots of scooters, EVs and bikes, which you can rent. I love the atmosphere. I really think they are free down there. You misspelled "wasted". 8-) Misattributed. That wasn't me... |
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