A Cycling & bikes forum. CycleBanter.com

Go Back   Home » CycleBanter.com forum » rec.bicycles » Social Issues
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Is Mike Andaman finally dead?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #261  
Old January 16th 14, 02:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 538
Default Is Mike Andaman finally dead?

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

I didn't say you shouldn't take account of complaints; I said you

need to consider what percentage of the user community they come from.


Edward Dolan wrote:

A good complaint is a good complaint. Most users do not
complain no matter what is transpiring. Percentages donít matter.


Nonsense. If a thousand people use a trail and only one complains about what is transpiring then, however good the complaint, that suggests that it's a minority view.


Not so ... BECAUSE most folks will never complain - period.

... but properly constructed surveys can be carefully

adjusted to be as close to objective as possible. You're happy to just
live in your own echo chamber and assume everyone else shares it ... they
don't.

No more so than you. Your pleading for surveys will get you
nowhere since it is all just mountain biker propaganda. You do not have a clue
about what is going on in the hiking community.


The information that I do have about the hiking community which, by the way, I also belong to is that the vast majority have no issue with sharing trails in most circumstances. The surveys that have been conducted support that view. If you want to disprove it then provide me with some data ... tell me what is going on in the hiking community ... but with real figures not just your 'thousands' which has been rather discredited. Otherwise, it's just hearsay from you and, as I'm sure you're aware, hearsay isn't admissible in evidence .. for good reason.


The only figures I am interested in are real life complaints from hikers and equestrians ... of which there are plenty.
[...]

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whatís the matter? Canít walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Ads
  #262  
Old January 16th 14, 02:47 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 538
Default Is Mike Andaman finally dead?

"Phil W Lee" wrote in message ...
[...]

We can only hope that a few of them take exception to being libeled,
and Ed Moron gets bankrupted to the point that he can't afford a
computer, much less an ISP to allow him to spread his libel online.
It's even possible that he could get himself barred from using any
equipment that would allow him to do so (there are precedents for
that).

Been around for over 10 years with idiots like you. The very best thing you can do is go **** yourself since you are totally irrelevant to any and all discussions.

Poor Blackblade too. All he ever does is go round and round when I disposed of all his arguments many times over in the course of this thread. He is not as stupid as you, but he is a kindred spirit since he never objects to your asinine posts.
[...]

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

  #263  
Old January 20th 14, 02:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
Blackblade[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 214
Default Is Mike Andaman finally dead?

A good complaint is a good complaint. Most users do not

complain no matter what is transpiring. Percentages donít

matter.

Nonsense.* If a thousand people use a trail and only one

complains about what is transpiring then, however good the complaint, that
suggests that it's a minority view.

Not so ... BECAUSE most folks will never complain -
period.


So, go and ASK them ... be active. But my fundamental point remains ... you cannot discern the sentiment of the gamut of trail users from the missives of a tiny, unreasonable minority.

The information that I do have about the hiking community which,

by the way, I also belong to is that the vast majority have no issue with
sharing trails in most circumstances.* The surveys that have been conducted
support that view.* If you want to disprove it then provide me with some
data ... tell me what is going on in the hiking community ... but with real
figures not just your 'thousands' which has been rather discredited.*
Otherwise, it's just hearsay from you and, as I'm sure you're aware, hearsay
isn't admissible in evidence .. for good reason.

The only figures I am interested in are real life complaints
from hikers and equestrians ... of which there are plenty.


Well, you seem to be producing a lot of complaints yourself ... but that hardly makes your point :-).
  #264  
Old January 30th 14, 04:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 538
Default Is Mike Andaman finally dead?

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Edward Dolan wrote:

A good complaint is a good complaint. Most users do not
complain no matter what is transpiring. Percentages donít

matter.

Nonsense. If a thousand people use a trail and only one

complains about what is transpiring then, however good the complaint, that
suggests that it's a minority view.

Not so ... BECAUSE most folks will never complain -
period.


So, go and ASK them ... be active. But my fundamental point remains ... you cannot discern the sentiment of the gamut of trail users from the missives of a tiny, unreasonable minority.


There is nothing tiny nor unreasonable about the complaints that are coming into governmental boards and park managers. It takes time and effort to register a complaint. Most folks will not bother. Like me, they are lazy.

The information that I do have about the hiking community which,

by the way, I also belong to is that the vast majority have no issue with
sharing trails in most circumstances. The surveys that have been conducted
support that view. If you want to disprove it then provide me with some
data ... tell me what is going on in the hiking community ... but with real
figures not just your 'thousands' which has been rather discredited.
Otherwise, it's just hearsay from you and, as I'm sure you're aware, hearsay
isn't admissible in evidence .. for good reason.

The only figures I am interested in are real life complaints
from hikers and equestrians ... of which there are plenty.


Well, you seem to be producing a lot of complaints yourself ... but that hardly makes your point :-).


Mr. Vandeman is constantly posting via his newsletters not only the dangers of mountain biking on hiking trails from reports in the media, but also the particular complaints from the hiking and equestrian communities against bikers on trails to specific park boards and specific park superintendents. Unless you are up on these newsletters, you simply donít know what you are blathering about.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whatís the matter? Canít walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is Mike Vandeman finally dead? EdwardDolan Social Issues 6 July 4th 13 07:56 PM
Is Mike Vandeman finally dead? Blackblade Social Issues 3 June 8th 13 07:54 AM
Is Mike Vandeman finally dead? you Mountain Biking 5 March 11th 13 02:02 AM
Is Mike Vandeman finally dead? Mike Vandeman[_4_] Mountain Biking 0 October 30th 12 07:17 PM
Is Mike Vandeman finally dead? Jym Dyer Mountain Biking 1 October 19th 12 12:10 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2022 CycleBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.